Republicans demonstrate that yet again they are THE anti-gay party in addition to being the Party of No.

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    Feb 03, 2013 4:50 AM GMT
    Republicans demonstrate that yet again they are THE anti-gay party in addition to being the Party of No:
    "Lindsey Graham Warns Immigration Reform Including Same-Sex Couples Will Fail"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/lindsey-graham-immigration-reform_n_2575247.html

    Frankly, it's absurd that Republicans would give preference to opposite-sex married couples (even when both members of that couple aren't even here legally) over a US CITIZEN being able to remain in the US and keep his legal marriage intact. Think of the irony of someone who's here illegally being able to sponsor his wife for a green card, but a US Citizen can't sponsor his husband. But that's apparently what the Republicans want.

    So if comprehensive immigration reform doesn't pass because of an inclusion of same-sex couples, then so be it. And Republicans can go on record as voting against comprehensive immigration reform, and endure voter backlash, particularly from Latino voters, yet again in 2014 and 2016.
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    Feb 03, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    I recently watched an episode of House Hunters International in which a gay couple, despite being legally married in the District of Columbia, was forced to move to Colombia because the US Citizen couldn't sponsor his same-sex Colombian spouse for a green card. The Colombian's work visa had expired and though he could have remained in the US without fear of deportation (due to Obama's executive order protecting same-sex spouses/partners from deportation), he wouldn't be able to legally work here. So they had to leave. The US Citizen didn't speak any Spanish and had to abandon his career, training, and skills and find work as an English instructor in Bogota. Worse yet, he had to abandon his country. It's unacceptable that US Citizens are being driven out of their own country due to such discriminatory federal marriage/immigration laws.
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    Feb 03, 2013 6:17 AM GMT
    But, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 03, 2013 7:04 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.
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    Feb 03, 2013 9:36 AM GMT
    sfbayguy saidI recently watched an episode of House Hunters International in which a gay couple, despite being legally married in the District of Columbia, was forced to move to Colombia because the US Citizen couldn't sponsor his same-sex Colombian spouse for a green card. The Colombian's work visa had expired and though he could have remained in the US without fear of deportation (due to Obama's executive order protecting same-sex spouses/partners from deportation), he wouldn't be able to legally work here. So they had to leave. The US Citizen didn't speak any Spanish and had to abandon his career, training, and skills and find work as an English instructor in Bogota. Worse yet, he had to abandon his country. It's unacceptable that US Citizens are being driven out of their own country due to such discriminatory federal marriage/immigration laws.


    What adds insult to injury...or maybe just plain more injury...he has to continue paying taxes to America for his income made outside of the country. I only hope that things will work out eventually, and green cards can be permitted for same-sex spouses. I will support the politicians who can make that a reality.
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    Feb 03, 2013 10:54 AM GMT
    The Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.
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    Feb 03, 2013 11:40 AM GMT
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.
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    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.



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    Feb 03, 2013 12:32 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die....


    US demographics are slowly throttling it (with a little help from Fox News).
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    Feb 03, 2013 12:56 PM GMT
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    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.
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    The sentence in bold type cuts to the chase. It would be interesting to see the response from the anti-gay, conservative faction that thinks they are welcome here (but isn't).

    Someone like Beck, Hannity or a Westboro member will have to explain it to them and tell them how to respond.

    Stan24 is 100 percent correct when he states the Republican concept is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%, but the hate and bigotry has run amok through the entire Republican party to the point where it's acceptable to them.
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    Feb 03, 2013 12:58 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    It's been said. You have overstayed your welcome in the state of denial.
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    Feb 03, 2013 1:10 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    You have implied as much while a few others have said it outright.
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    Feb 03, 2013 1:13 PM GMT
    So many excellent points have been stated already. What should be kept in mind is that in many places(California), Latinos will soon be the majority. We Latinos have long memories(Governor Wilson Prop. 187) found out the hard way. What many of us Latinos are hearing from the Republican party is, "we do not want you", "we do not like you", "we want to deport you". We will remember this in future elections. They only reason why they are even considering immigration reform is that in the last two presidential elections the Latino vote was key in electing and re-electing President Obama. The Latino vote is only going to get bigger and therefore crucial to anyone that wants to win.
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    Feb 03, 2013 1:17 PM GMT
    The nature of politics is based on theatrical psychology with elements of good vs evil, and good cop-bad cop.
    Want to win? My guess is to avoid the finger pointing and name calling, and focus on the Good that makes Us Right, and not how someone else is doing it wrong. Damn twisted media and legal grey area bull! Confuses ALL.
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    Feb 03, 2013 2:11 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    It's been said. You have overstayed your welcome in the state of denial.


    Says who?
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    Feb 03, 2013 2:25 PM GMT
    What a surprise
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.


    Agreed. As the Republicans found out in their resounding loss in 2012.
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
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    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.


    Agreed. As the Republicans found out in their resounding loss in 2012.


    It was hardly resounding. Yet again they won the popular vote.
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    sfbayguy said
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die.... and their homophobia is not the only thing they have to change. America is rejecting far-right social and economic policies. Either they move to the center and become more liberal, or accept their political irrelevance. They don't know how to unify people behind something because their whole party and concept of being a true Republican is based on hate, bigotry and greed for the 1%. Unless you hate yourself as a human being, resident of Earth and its environment, working class person, minority, gay person, non-Christian, woman or immigrant there is no reason for someone who isn't a rich straight white Christian male to vote Republican.


    Agreed. As the Republicans found out in their resounding loss in 2012.


    Hardly at 3.9% difference in popular vote. Now 1964, 1972 and 1984 are a different story.
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    You have implied as much while a few others have said it outright.


    He's right FIF. If necessary some of us could start digging up topics and quoting from them.
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die....

    I'm rooting for DIE, same as Republicans wish for gays. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
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    turtleneckjock said
    freedomisntfree said
    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    It's been said. You have overstayed your welcome in the state of denial.


    Says who?




    sez a majority of the voting American public in the last major election 4 months ago.



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    Feb 03, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
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    credo said
    freedomisntfree said
    ART_DECO saidBut, but... the RJ conservaposse is always telling us that Republicans really love us gays, and we'll be better off if they have total control of the US government. Don't you believe them? They are gay just like us, right, so they must be telling us the truth, yes? icon_rolleyes.gif


    'We' never said that.


    You have implied as much while a few others have said it outright.


    He's right FIF. If necessary some of us could start digging up topics and quoting from them.


    Doug, as I've asked you many times, would mind putting me on ignore?

    Thanks
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die....

    I'm rooting for DIE, as Republicans wish for gays. icon_biggrin.gif


    And then you wonder why we get into to knockdown drag out fights?
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    Feb 03, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
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    Stan24 saidThe Republican Party will either have to change or die....

    I'm rooting for DIE, as Republicans wish for gays. icon_biggrin.gif
    Then you are no better than they are...

    And there are a fraction of Republicans trying to change the party stances on things like Abortion and Gay rights...so try not to judge all Republicans as one group...

    And just remember who Signed DOMA into law.