No on Prop 8!

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    Sep 30, 2008 10:03 PM GMT
    You don't have to be a Californian to contribute. This is an opportunity to push back and push back hard against the theocranazis that are goose-stepping across people's rights. This is a battle between good and evil. Don't let evil triumph. Defeat Prop 8. It's for your own good.

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    Sep 30, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    You don't have to be a Californian to contribute, but you'd have to be a zombie not to.
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    Sep 30, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    View my website.

    www.respectgaymarriage.com

    And vote No on Prop. 8!
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    Sep 30, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    The intro doesn't load in my browser, but, great idea for a website. I think I'll add some stuff to my own.
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    Sep 30, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    You have my NO on that. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 30, 2008 11:50 PM GMT
    I want to stop polygamy which is really, really, really bad for women and their children. So i've got to look at the big picture..Gays really don't need to get married...actually the fix now is to deinstitutionalize all marriage. The government should only recognize individuals and keep religion and personal agreements separate. Polygamy is a done deal once the traditional definition of marriage is struck down.
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    Sep 30, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    Right and cats and dogs will be sleeping together. The only thing necessary to prevent your doomsday scenario is the proper language when writing the law. "Two adult human beings." Pretty simple.

    Though, I am with you on the de-institutionalization of any such relationship. If people, by virtue of getting dressep up and exchanging jewelry gain 1038 new rights, why shouldn't single people get those same rights? Why must an intimate relationship be required in order to choose a life partner with whom someone might pledge those things, other than intimacy, that intimate partners do?
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    Oct 01, 2008 12:36 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI want to stop polygamy which is really, really, really bad for women and their children. So i've got to look at the big picture..Gays really don't need to get married...actually the fix now is to deinstitutionalize all marriage. The government should only recognize individuals and keep religion and personal agreements separate. Polygamy is a done deal once the traditional definition of marriage is struck down.


    You lost me. What does gay marriage have to do with polygamy? Or are you making two separte points?

    Regardless of what sexual orientation the individual is, marriage should be an opition for anyone and everyone who want it.

    I agree though, the government should separate marriage and religion. Two separate occations. But I am not going to get all crazy and say that marriage in a church or place of worship should be banned. Marriage in a court (or however the government does it) would put it in a perspective that is easier to see and understand without all the elaborate cerimonies and stuff. Am I making sence?? icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 01, 2008 12:54 AM GMT
    i worked a fundraiser fighting against this on sunday. i have been so into this. i have been trying to tell everyone i know. there are so many straight allies that we have that aren't aware of the situation but would totally vote in our favor. they just need to become aware. people, you MUST inform your friends about this, instead of having someone just skip over prop 8 because they weren't sure what it was about, or were unclear, they can vote on our side.

    i had a bump with a coworker about this, we kept messaging each other on myspace trying to get the other to change their minds. i finally gave him a response that he didn't return. i asked how is it fair that someone who doesn't believe in God, or religion, can get married in the church that i was baptized in, grew up in, and went to school at? how can this person who doesn't even believe in God have the right to get married there over me? he didn't respond to that.

    the other person who didn't agree with me was my father. he has been open to everything about me being gay so far. at first it was a struggle, but he asked the tough questions and his views have changed, but not with marriage. so i was balling on the phone with him last night and i never cry, not even in movies. icon_sad.gif just sucks because you always want your family to have your back, and i guess i thought knowing me would be enough for him to think differently. my parents are very religious.

    INFORM YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT THIS!!!!!
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    Oct 01, 2008 3:59 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI want to stop polygamy which is really, really, really bad for women and their children. So i've got to look at the big picture..Gays really don't need to get married...actually the fix now is to deinstitutionalize all marriage. The government should only recognize individuals and keep religion and personal agreements separate. Polygamy is a done deal once the traditional definition of marriage is struck down.


    actually i agree that marriage should be removed from govt and the govt should only recognize civil unions. however, Alpha, im not sure how that would have any affect on your "fear of polygamy". And just curious, Alpha, how many polygamists do you know. is this something you've been witness to and/or participated in? i mean, c'mon, give me a fucking break
  • Hunter9

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    Oct 01, 2008 4:00 AM GMT
    And yes, people please understand that if California allows gay marriage, YOUR state has a much GREATER chance of having gay marriage in the future. our fight is your fight.
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    Oct 01, 2008 9:43 AM GMT
    As goes California, so goes the rest of the country. Show the world that you know how to put those balls to good use for a change and give early and give often to the No on 8 effort.

    Polygamy, my ass.
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    Oct 01, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
    McGay saidThe intro doesn't load in my browser, but, great idea for a website. I think I'll add some stuff to my own.


    It's a Flash file. Maybe your computer doesn't have a Flash player, or the existing Flash player might need to be updated.
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:05 PM GMT
    Last night I was shooting at the Melissa Ethridge appearance at the Hard Rock, Universal City and I talked with all the lesbians that came out in force to support her (this was for Breast Cancer awareness)

    They were ALL overwhelmingly supportive of NO on Pro 8!

    When I spoke with Melissa herself she told me she is actively
    helping in the campaign to stop it as well.
  • IdkMyBffJill

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    Oct 01, 2008 5:39 PM GMT
    Don't forget that both Arizona & Florida have similar measures. The California amendment is actually revoking rights, the AZ & FL measures are just making sure that such rights are never granted.

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    ARIZONA
    Title: Arizona Proposition 102, “Marriage Protection Amendment”
    Proposed amendment to the Arizona Constitution that defines marriage as between one man and one woman.
    State law already prohibits same-sex marriage, and Arizona courts have upheld that ban. However, ban supporters contend it also needs to be in the Constitution in order to prevent future court rulings in favor of same-sex marriage.

    More information available at:
    www.votenoprop102.com

    VOTE NO – to limit further marriage discrimination in AZ

    FLORIDA
    Title: Florida Amendment 2

    Text of proposed amendment, “Inasmuch as a marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized”

    If passed, this will take away important family protections, health care insurance, hospital visitation and medical decision-making authority, from all unmarried couples, gay and straight. It permanently bans civil unions and dismantles domestic partner benefits that seniors, teachers, police officers, etc rely on.

    More information available at:
    www.fairnessforallfamilies.org

    VOTE NO – to limit further marriage discrimination in FL
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:45 PM GMT
    McGay saidYou don't have to be a Californian to contribute, but you'd have to be a zombie not to.


    I donated, and I am a zombie. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    I donated too. And I agree there is no reason to go around putting down zombies. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 01, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI want to stop polygamy which is really, really, really bad for women and their children. So i've got to look at the big picture..Gays really don't need to get married...actually the fix now is to deinstitutionalize all marriage. The government should only recognize individuals and keep religion and personal agreements separate. Polygamy is a done deal once the traditional definition of marriage is struck down.


    Well, do you feel then that POLYGYNY (1 man, >1 woman) is bad but POLYANDRY (1 woman, >1 man) is OK?

    It's not necessarily all bad to women and children, we just here about really nasty cases a lot. As an previous student in anthropology, polygamy is and economic response to either having

    1) An overabundance of women due to war, famine, etc.

    2) Being in a situation that allows for a man to afford to take care of more than one wife. So its not always that girls are being forced into it, its that economically it's in their best interest to be married to a rich man since it guarantees a higher reproductive success (their kids will have a greater chance of reproducing themselves).

    Not all polygamous relationships are abusive, incestuous, etc. I think people really need to think it through before they just say "It's bad." Maybe you are a product of one and had a bad experience? After studying the economics behind a lot of social institutions, I have decided that CONCENTUAL polygamous relationships are ok.


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    Oct 01, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    It was nice to see Ellen talk about this on the Tonight Show last night. And Leno really actually gave some supportive words without tacitly endorsing it like Ellen did.
    Let it load, then select Chapter 3 below the main screen:
    http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/episodes/#vid=716361