Chris Kyle - 'Most lethal sniper in US history' shot dead on Texas gun range

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    Feb 03, 2013 11:49 AM GMT
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chris-kyle--most-lethal-sniper-in-us-history-shot-dead-on-texas-gun-range-8478695.html

    Shame, as he must have saved lots of coalition lives with his marksmanship.

    It goes to show, however, that having a firearm and knowing how to use it is not necessarily going to save you from gun crime, especially if you're taken by surprise (which, of course, most shooting victims are).
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    Feb 03, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chris-kyle--most-lethal-sniper-in-us-history-shot-dead-on-texas-gun-range-8478695.html

    Shame, as he must have saved lots of coalition lives with his marksmanship.

    It goes to show, however, that having a firearm and knowing how to use it is not necessarily going to save you from gun crime, especially if you're taken by surprise (which, of course, most shooting victims are).


    yeah very weird story. why take a dude suffering from ptsd to a gun range.

    a well decorated hero, and good at his job.

    but a small part of me does wonder if this isn't some cosmic rebalancing. when you take that many lives, good bad evil or otherwise, existentially might make you more likely to live a short life yourself.

    i have mixed feelings about these guys who do really amazing tactical shit and then come back and write best sellers promoting their kills/proficiency. I'm in awe, and huge respect but it seems like the one rule about doing shit like that is that you don't talk about doing shit like that. I know money is a powerful motivator and when you have publishers offering 7 figures to tell your story, maybe nobody can turn that down.

    the seal team 6 guy who wrote no easy day is in hiding, and now this guy is dead.
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    Feb 03, 2013 9:20 PM GMT
    The only way to stop a bad guy withPOW!
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:04 AM GMT
    Another example that exposes the gun nuts' favorite lie:
    being armed does not make you safer.
    If it didn't save the best sniper in history, do you think it's going to save average gun owners?
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidAnother example that exposes the gun nuts' favorite lie:
    being armed does not make you safer.
    If it didn't save the best sniper in history, do you think it's going to save average gun owners?

    +1
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:36 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidAnother example that exposes the gun nuts' favorite lie:
    being armed does not make you safer.
    If it didn't save the best sniper in history, do you think it's going to save average gun owners?




    This has nothing to do with the gun issue that's going on. This is a completely different story. Sadly that we lost a hero in such a tragic way.
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:40 AM GMT
    It does make you wonder when even the professionals succumb to gun violence.
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    When your greatest accomplishment is killing other people you are bound to get hit yourself.
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:23 PM GMT
    Guns don's kill peopRAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 04, 2013 12:38 PM GMT
    Mentally ill individuals and guns do not mix. Adam Lanza's mother took her disturbed son to gun ranges with tragic results. Why on earth did Chris take someone with PTSD to a gun range? Oy!

    R.I.P.
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    Feb 04, 2013 12:43 PM GMT
    As a soldier, he did his job.

    As a returned serviceman, he was active in his community and active in outreach to other ex servicemen who were traumatised.

    I feel that despite the fact his role in war was to take lives in order to save lives, he was a good man - he cared enough about other soldiers to want to help them - thats not something that someone inherently evil or enjoyed killing would do.

    His death is a tragedy, no matter which way you look at it.

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    Feb 04, 2013 12:57 PM GMT
    Not to minimize the gravity of the tragedy, but we do live in an evil world surrounded by people who would really like to see us powerless and defenseless.

    All the gun control laws made and even outright firearms confiscation will NOT keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who care nothing for the law, and tyrants who would grind our liberty to ruin and our faces into the dustbin of history.

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    Feb 04, 2013 1:03 PM GMT
    If someone is out to get you and ambushes you, there is very little that you can do to save yourself. There is more to this story than what has been released.

    It is disappointing that the gun control nuts are using this to push their political agenda. The person who shot Chris Kyle and his friend would not have been stopped by any law passed by Congress if he was intent on killing. The person who did the shooting had mental health issues as did all the other mass killers.
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    Feb 04, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger saidNot to minimize the gravity of the tragedy, but we do live in an evil world surrounded by people who would really like to see us powerless and defenseless.

    All the gun control laws made and even outright firearms confiscation will NOT keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who care nothing for the law, and tyrants who would grind our liberty to ruin and our faces into the dustbin of history.



    What brain dead stupid ass shit is thisicon_question.gificon_twisted.gif Do you idiots who spout this lame brain nonsense believe that citizens with guns could stop a tyrant with tanks and modern warfare technology?
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    Feb 04, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
    The whole incident is really sad, what else can be said?
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    Feb 04, 2013 1:33 PM GMT
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    AlphaTrigger saidNot to minimize the gravity of the tragedy, but we do live in an evil world surrounded by people who would really like to see us powerless and defenseless.

    All the gun control laws made and even outright firearms confiscation will NOT keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who care nothing for the law, and tyrants who would grind our liberty to ruin and our faces into the dustbin of history.



    What brain dead stupid ass shit is thisicon_question.gificon_twisted.gif Do you idiots who spout this lame brain nonsense believe that citizens with guns could stop a tyrant with tanks and modern warfare technology?


    Let's put it this way - while I'm certainly not a decorated sniper, I can confidently and accurately ventilate a threatening target at over 100m with any of the scoped rifles I own. I'm a fair shot at up to 30m over iron sights on my non-scoped weapons.

    And if need be, I can lend firearms to those in need during an emergency and have stocked sufficient ammo for them.

    So yeah, I'll probably be a speed bump for whatever shitheels who are finally sent to disarm us or pack us off to FEMA re-education camps, or whatever other bit of insanity that could unwind as the economy unravels - should that turn out to be the case: but a speed bump with a sting.

    Although in the extended scenario vs. tanks and predator drones, a government so openly warring against its citizens would have most certainly lost its legitimacy and its mandate to rule, in which case "all bets are off", since those of us in that government's eyes would become criminals or enemies of the state.
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    Feb 04, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    Blondizgd said
    AlphaTrigger saidNot to minimize the gravity of the tragedy, but we do live in an evil world surrounded by people who would really like to see us powerless and defenseless.

    All the gun control laws made and even outright firearms confiscation will NOT keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who care nothing for the law, and tyrants who would grind our liberty to ruin and our faces into the dustbin of history.



    What brain dead stupid ass shit is thisicon_question.gificon_twisted.gif Do you idiots who spout this lame brain nonsense believe that citizens with guns could stop a tyrant with tanks and modern warfare technology?



    I am not concerned with tyranny. My concern is social unrest like New Orleans experienced after Hurricane Katrina. Many police officers went to protect their homes and families. There was chaos and roaming gangs and very little order. If you did not have a means to protect yourself, you could not rely on the government in that type of situation.

    I have a much better chance at protecting myself and my family with firearms than without. The bad guys will always find ways to have guns, the only thing you would be doing is disarming law abiding citizens.

    Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away (or in Katrina's case, days away).
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    Feb 04, 2013 1:54 PM GMT
    There is an old saying: live by the sword, die by the sword...
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    Feb 04, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said
    Let's put it this way - while I'm certainly not a decorated sniper, I can confidently and accurately ventilate a threatening target at over 100m with any of the scoped rifles I own. I'm a fair shot at up to 30m over iron sights on my non-scoped weapons.

    And if need be, I can lend firearms to those in need during an emergency and have stocked sufficient ammo for them.

    So yeah, I'll probably be a speed bump for whatever shitheels who are finally sent to disarm us or pack us off to FEMA re-education camps, or whatever other bit of insanity that could unwind as the economy unravels - should that turn out to be the case: but a speed bump with a sting.

    Although in the extended scenario vs. tanks and predator drones, a government so openly warring against its citizens would have most certainly lost its legitimacy and its mandate to rule, in which case "all bets are off", since those of us in that government's eyes would become criminals or enemies of the state.


    you, like most survival minded individuals, have a highly developed fantasy of how your ability to defend yourself would play out.

    a good example of the epic fail in your plan is this incident in TX. the shooter was able to take out 2 men, at least one was a highly decorated combat sniper whom i assume was armed at the time he was shot (they were at a gun range) and then was able to get in a truck and drive a considerable distance away from the scene without anyone of the other people there with firearms being able make the split second decision to shoot the suspect before he could kill the second man, or flee?

    the reality is that unless you're willing to live out every minute of every day of your life in a state of high alertness and your finger literally on the trigger, ready to fire, you can be taken out in a milli-second, and all the guns and ammo isn't going to bring you back to life.

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    Feb 04, 2013 2:51 PM GMT
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    Blondizgd said
    AlphaTrigger saidNot to minimize the gravity of the tragedy, but we do live in an evil world surrounded by people who would really like to see us powerless and defenseless.

    All the gun control laws made and even outright firearms confiscation will NOT keep weapons out of the hands of criminals who care nothing for the law, and tyrants who would grind our liberty to ruin and our faces into the dustbin of history.

    What brain dead stupid ass shit is thisicon_question.gificon_twisted.gif Do you idiots who spout this lame brain nonsense believe that citizens with guns could stop a tyrant with tanks and modern warfare technology?
    We'd certainly have a better shot than without.


    more brain dead crapicon_exclaim.gif
    How did that actually work out for the highly decorated, military sniper and his palicon_question.gificon_exclaim.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 04, 2013 2:54 PM GMT
    Some people play too many video games.

    It is sad this man died and two little kids will be without a Dad.

    But, when you broadcast that you killed over 100 people, somebody is most likely going to come after you.
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    Feb 04, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidAnother example that exposes the gun nuts' favorite lie:
    being armed does not make you safer.
    If it didn't save the best sniper in history, do you think it's going to save average gun owners?




    This has nothing to do with the gun issue that's going on. This is a completely different story. Sadly that we lost a hero in such a tragic way.


    Do you really feel that this has "nothing to do with the gun issue that's going on?" Gun violence is not related to... gun violence?

    Edit: I am pro gun rights btw. But I think the gun debate is a very important discussion that needs to continue, and not in isolation.
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    Feb 04, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    @thadjock:

    Ya know... yer perfectly correct. I cannot account for whether I'll be alive tomorrow or if I'll be hit by blimp or attacked by a pack of feral box turtles.

    Or more likely, I could be easily taken out in a bad traffic accident.

    Or caught with my guard down or be faced with an in extremis situation that I haven't been had sufficient training to handle.

    What I do know is this:

    My weapons - and my skill in employing them - are much more useful for me to repel hostile aggressors and to function as a member of an armed community to resist aggression.

    It may indeed be a long shot, but if it really came to it, I will happily die a free man defending myself, my friends, my family and what's mine... rather than to be enslaved - either by fears or in actuality.

    @Blondizgdwtfbbq:

    Looks like we aren't going to have a discussion that doesn't rapidly devolve into a flamefest ... so I'm gonna ignore you for now. ;)
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    Feb 04, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    The most honest thing said on the whole matter.

    thadjock saidyou, like most survival minded individuals, have a highly developed fantasy of how your ability to defend yourself would play out.

    a good example of the epic fail in your plan is this incident in TX. the shooter was able to take out 2 men, at least one was a highly decorated combat sniper whom i assume was armed at the time he was shot (they were at a gun range) and then was able to get in a truck and drive a considerable distance away from the scene without anyone of the other people there with firearms being able make the split second decision to shoot the suspect before he could kill the second man, or flee?

    the reality is that unless you're willing to live out every minute of every day of your life in a state of high alertness and your finger literally on the trigger, ready to fire, you can be taken out in a milli-second, and all the guns and ammo isn't going to bring you back to life.

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    Feb 04, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
    AlphaTrigger said
    My weapons - and my skill in employing them - are much more useful for me to repel hostile aggressors and to function as a member of an armed community to resist aggression.

    It may indeed be a long shot, but if it really came to it, I will happily die a free man defending myself, my friends, my family and what's mine... rather than to be enslaved - either by fears or in actuality.


    i would argue that you're already enslaved by your own fears, and i respect your right to romanticise a high-noon show-down with your own government but your world view and mine are very different, i'm not ready to accept that i need to wear a flak jacket and sidearm every time i go to a movie theater or send my kids to gradeschool, or just walk down the street.

    I own guns, both my dad and one of my brothers are career military, we're all proficient with firearms, and if you come to my house to do me or my family harm you will be injured, and a better chance you will be dead.

    having said that, i don't want to live in a country where because of gun violence, every citizen needs to be armed and in turn have to rely on the competency of those armed citizens to be able to make split second decisions in when to use that weapon effectively. Most average fuckheads aren't even qualified to drive a car on the freeway, let alone know when and how to use a gun.