McCain 13 bedroom mansion up for auction

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    Oct 01, 2008 12:23 PM GMT
    ....seems like bad timing to be doing this ...."let me show up how grandly I live, peasants!"

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    Oct 01, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    It is awful looking, way over the top!
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    Oct 01, 2008 3:59 PM GMT
    oh crap....when am I gonna learn that teh CNN embed doesnt work

    here is the link

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/30/dnt.mccain.house.for.sale.ktvx
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    Oct 01, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidIt is awful looking, way over the top!

    I agree...it is tacky
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    Oct 01, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    Um... isn't that a Doonesbury story line?
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    Oct 01, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidUm... isn't that a Doonesbury story line?


    Can't be, this is actually funny. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    a rich gay guy needs to buy it and we can have a giant gay party there that would be cool icon_smile.gif it can be like a mini pride, just with more grey goose icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    I want an air-conditioned play house
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    Oct 01, 2008 5:39 PM GMT
    There is nothing embarrassing about success and having money. The fact that he has a lot of houses just speaks to his and Cindy's success or inheritance. It is not as if we are dealing with Versailles here.
    Greed is shameful, owning property or wanting (questionably) beautiful things is not.
    If someone is to run for pres , do they need to be wearing homemade leather sandals and a tattered robe? I could give two shits about property , 500 dollar haircuts, overpriced designer dresses etc, as long as they are accountable for where their money has come from and so far, the McCains have done nothing wrong.
    Investing in real estate used to be a wise decision and it helps stimulate the economy but now it is something that represents all that is bad?

    Sheesh... nothing like real issues to keep us from being distracted.

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    Oct 01, 2008 6:58 PM GMT
    Jdunn1973 saidThere is nothing embarrassing about success and having money. The fact that he has a lot of houses just speaks to his and Cindy's success or inheritance. It is not as if we are dealing with Versailles here.
    Greed is shameful, owning property or wanting (questionably) beautiful things is not.
    If someone is to run for pres , do they need to be wearing homemade leather sandals and a tattered robe? I could give two shits about property , 500 dollar haircuts, overpriced designer dresses etc, as long as they are accountable for where their money has come from and so far, the McCains have done nothing wrong.
    Investing in real estate used to be a wise decision and it helps stimulate the economy but now it is something that represents all that is bad?

    Sheesh... nothing like real issues to keep us from being distracted.



    You are right but I think McCain made a big deal about that fact that Obama can't related to the middle class and he could. Which is total bullsh|t.
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    Oct 01, 2008 7:31 PM GMT
    The McCains apparently decorated it themselves.

    No gay man would ever let something look that dreadful.

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    Oct 01, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    Yeah, Obama is "elitist" while McCain can't remember how many (badly decorated) houses he has. This is well within the limits of political criticism during a Presidential campaign.
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    Oct 01, 2008 7:55 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidYeah, Obama is "elitist" while McCain can't remember how many (badly decorated) houses he has. This is well within the limits of political criticism during a Presidential campaign.


    Criticism, sure. But I feel better knowing that any presidential candidate has been successful enough to have something to show for it..... especially in his 70's.

    They both have a lot of money and wear designer suits. That in itself, says nothing about what sort of leader they will be, Policies do. So in that respect, calling anyone elitist or bemoaning that they are selling a tacky home has nothing at all to do with what is important.
    Maybe we just disagree. C'est la vie.
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    Oct 01, 2008 8:00 PM GMT
    Jdunn1973 said

    Maybe we just disagree. C'est la vie.


    Ou plutôt, c'est la guerre, quand il vient à la politique, mon cher, n'est ce pas?
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    Oct 01, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    Jdunn1973 saidBut I feel better knowing that any presidential candidate has been successful enough to have something to show for it..... especially in his 70's.


    OK, normally I refrain from the political postings, but I gotta put my 2 cents in...

    Is it John's money and success that bought this house, or Cindy's? icon_confused.gif

    If it's the latter, then he was successful enough to leave his other wife and marry into the cash...
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    Oct 01, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    To me, the issue isn't that McCain has enjoyed the trappings of financial success. I agree that I'd rather have a President who knows how to lead and can show that leadership through financial success. Although I tend to think that most of McCain's financial success came from his marriage rather than his own efforts.

    It's the pot calling the kettle black. The Republican message seems to be that if you're intelligent, you're elitist. It's how we ended up with 8 years of Dubya -- he was the candidate with whom a large number of voters most wanted to have a beer.

    It's that attitude of the electorate I don't understand -- why not aim for someone who is the brightest? Why settle for the below average student.

    The Los Angeles political ad buying market is interesting. I haven't seen a single Obama ad. But I've seen a lot of McCain ads -- they're all negative attack ads. I'm put off by him as a candidate because I think he's completely sold out whatever ideals and principles he may have had during his first run at this 8 years ago. He now says ANYTHING -- even outright lies -- if he believes it will help get him elected.

    I prefer to see a positive message coming from either candidate.
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    Oct 01, 2008 8:19 PM GMT
    Yes, Cindy is loaded and his pocketbook benefited from their union, but McCain was certainly not poor before his marriage to her... by any stretch. Nor did Cindy keep him in Washington as one of the few respected politicians by people on both sides of the aisle.
    I do not support McCain but I don't see his wealth or Obama's wealth as a problem.
    The Clintons are also loaded and they did a lot for the middle class. The amount of wealth or number of homes you amass does not meant squat to what sort of leader you will be which was my original point.
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    Oct 01, 2008 8:31 PM GMT
    I don't think he had that much -- he was in the Navy until 1981 -- but apparently had enough assets to give two houses to his first wife in their divorce settlement.

    The point I'm trying to make is that Republican campaign logic has twisted things. Intelligence has become the hallmark of elitism in their campaign attacks.

    When did being smart become a liability for becoming President?

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    Oct 01, 2008 8:35 PM GMT
    allgoodinhwood saidI don't think he had that much -- he was in the Navy until 1981 -- but apparently had enough assets to give two houses to his first wife in their divorce settlement.

    The point I'm trying to make is that Republican campaign logic has twisted things. Intelligence has become the hallmark of elitism in their campaign attacks.

    When did being smart become a liability for becoming President?



    I agree with you 100%. His paycheck in Washington is not meager (170 thousand a year) nor are the benefits that come with being a politician and veteran.
    The original post was about his homes. I am referring to the relevance of wealth and property, not his intelligence.
    I think it is embarrassing for any candidate who thinks their opponents intelligence or financial success is a detriment. Both sides are guilty of trying to belittle the other for having too much or being too smart (codeword elitist).




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    Oct 02, 2008 1:49 AM GMT
    Just to clear up misinformation about this house. It is not a mansion; it does not have 13 bedrooms - it has 7 plus two in the guest house - not a huge house considering all the McCain children and family members who lived there. The house sits on just over 2 acres amidst other family homes in central Phoenix, AZ. The furniture in the pictures you see is not the McCains' furniture or decor - they sold the house in January of 1997 for $3.2 million. A woman has owned the house since then and the furniture and decor is hers. Cindy McCain has owned this house since 1986 - it was originally her parents' home - and her parents owned this house since it was new in 1951. The McCains' main Phoenix home has been a condominium since they sold this house - and with their family growing up, they felt they did not need such a large house any longer. The house is in a normal non gated neighborhood, and is on nicely landscaped grounds with trees and was very tastefully done when the McCains lived there.

    The asking price for this house is $12 million - draw your own conclusions about that - but to me it seems extremely ambitious to go from $3.2 to $12 mil. in eleven years - and in a cool market. In other words - despite the famous former owner - my opinion is that there isn't a chance this house will realize this asking price. My sense from having been to and in the house when the McCains lived there is that the house should bring approximately $6 mil.

    Just my observations and wanting to clear up gray areas about the house.