iPhone 5 and 6.x jailbreak

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    Feb 05, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    The jailbreak has been released for all operating systems.. Just jailbroke my iPhone 5 and mini iPad.. Everything works fine, they're both running 6.1


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    Feb 05, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    But doesn't that invalidate the warranty, including my extended Apple Service Plan? I don't think I'd want that.
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    Feb 05, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    Is the 6.1 jailbreak untethered? I was on iOS 6 jailbroken, and it really messed up my phone to the point where I had to roll back to 5.1.1

    Art_Deco: Jailbreaking only modifies the software on your phone. If you ever need to bring the phone to Apple, you can simply reformat the whole thing and they will never know that you were jaibroken. If I am correct, however, UNCLOCKING your phone is a different story. Unlocking lets you bring your iPhone to a different carrier (TMobile, Verizon, etc). That does compeltely void your warranty and is now also illegal.

    I highly suggest youtube and redmondpie.com to learn more about jailbreaking. It's honestly a skill worth learning. You get much more freedom of your technology, and it gives you a more intimate connection to your iPhone. As far as I know, it's called "rooting" on android devices. Either way, you own the hardware and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.
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    JerseyJames75 saidIs the 6.1 jailbreak untethered? I was on iOS 6 jailbroken, and it really messed up my phone to the point where I had to roll back to 5.1.1

    Art_Deco: Jailbreaking only modifies the software on your phone. If you ever need to bring the phone to Apple, you can simply reformat the whole thing and they will never know that you were jaibroken. If I am correct, however, UNCLOCKING your phone is a different story. Unlocking lets you bring your iPhone to a different carrier (TMobile, Verizon, etc). That does compeltely void your warranty and is now also illegal.

    I highly suggest youtube and redmondpie.com to learn more about jailbreaking. It's honestly a skill worth learning. You get much more freedom of your technology, and it gives you a more intimate connection to your iPhone. As far as I know, it's called "rooting" on android devices. Either way, you own the hardware and you should be able to do whatever you want with it.

    Yes it's untethered
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    Feb 05, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    Oh awesome. Yeah I just noticed the news on Cydia. I plan on fully upgrading later. Do you reformat your whole phone, or do you just install the upgrade and rejailbreak. I don't want to lose all my apps and stuff.
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    Feb 06, 2013 2:59 PM GMT
    Besides free apps there's very little benefit to jailbreaking an iPhone. Just be aware of the inevitable compromises. Apple obviously warns against it :

    AppleAs a result of jailbreaking users will experience:

    Instability: Frequent and unexpected crashes of the device, crashes and freezes of built-in apps and third-party apps, and loss of data. Security vulnerabilities: Security compromises have been introduced by these modifications that could allow hackers to steal personal information, damage the device, attack the wireless network, or introduce malware or viruses.

    Shortened battery life: The hacked software has caused an accelerated battery drain that shortens the operation of an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch on a single battery charge. Unreliable voice and data: Dropped calls, slow or unreliable data connections, and delayed or inaccurate location data. Disruption of services: Services such as Visual Voicemail, Weather, and Stocks have been disrupted or no longer work on the device. Additionally, third-party apps that use the Apple Push Notification Service have had difficulty receiving notifications or received notifications that were intended for a different hacked device. Other push-based services such as iCloud and Exchange have experienced problems synchronizing data with their respective servers. Inability to apply future software updates: Some unauthorized modifications have caused damage to iOS that is not repairable. This can result in the hacked iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch becoming permanently inoperable when a future Apple-supplied iOS update is installed.

    Apple strongly cautions against installing any software that hacks iOS. It is also important to note that unauthorized modification of iOS is a violation of iOS end-user license agreement and because of this, Apple may deny service for an iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch that has installed any unauthorized software.


    Most jailbreakers don't give a shit about any of this but new potential jailbreakers should be properly informed before hacking their device.
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    Feb 06, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    I mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.
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    Feb 07, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?
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    Feb 07, 2013 11:08 PM GMT
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    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?


    100 Reasons to jailbreak

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fZoqW-GEdQM#at=46
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    Feb 07, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidBut doesn't that invalidate the warranty, including my extended Apple Service Plan? I don't think I'd want that.


    Its the only way you can make an apple product half useful though. And you just reinstall the old OS and they have no way of knowing it was jailbroken anyway.
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    Feb 07, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
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    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?


    oh boy don't get me started!

    When iOS 5 was released and they changed how notifications appeared (by having them appear at the top of the screen) that was something the hacking community had already done. Pushing to facebook and twitter... already done. Using your volume buttons to take photos... already done... It makes sense that apple would reverse engineering the creativity of the hacking community. Thousands of minds are always going to be more brilliant.

    I watched the iOS 5 promo video on Apple.com and literally was laughing out loud because my iPhone running iOS 4 could already do that stuff that was being promoted for iOS 5.

    Being jailbroken allows me to:
    1) Resize icons on my screen so I can have more than I want
    2) Put as many icons in a folder as I want
    3) Use multitouch and various swiping gestures to open applications
    4) Allow me to quickly close all apps completely, essentialyl returning all my ram to my phone.
    5) Gives me access to all sorts of UI tweaks to make the phone appear however I want it.
    6) Gives me access to user-developed software that doesn't need to meet apples standards
    7) Gives me access to my 3G connection so I can tether my laptop without paying Verizon's ridiculous fee
    icon_cool.gif Use my camera as a flashlight without even unlocking the phone.
    9) Run siri on iPhone 4
    10) and more...

    It's not something that is super simple, necessarily, but with some effort anyone can learn how to do it, and the jailbreak community is generous, knowledgeable, and dedicated to freedom of technology.
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    Feb 08, 2013 3:14 AM GMT
    JerseyJames75 said
    charlitos said
    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?


    oh boy don't get me started!

    When iOS 5 was released and they changed how notifications appeared (by having them appear at the top of the screen) that was something the hacking community had already done. Pushing to facebook and twitter... already done. Using your volume buttons to take photos... already done... It makes sense that apple would reverse engineering the creativity of the hacking community. Thousands of minds are always going to be more brilliant.

    I watched the iOS 5 promo video on Apple.com and literally was laughing out loud because my iPhone running iOS 4 could already do that stuff that was being promoted for iOS 5.

    Being jailbroken allows me to:
    1) Resize icons on my screen so I can have more than I want
    2) Put as many icons in a folder as I want
    3) Use multitouch and various swiping gestures to open applications
    4) Allow me to quickly close all apps completely, essentialyl returning all my ram to my phone.
    5) Gives me access to all sorts of UI tweaks to make the phone appear however I want it.
    6) Gives me access to user-developed software that doesn't need to meet apples standards
    7) Gives me access to my 3G connection so I can tether my laptop without paying Verizon's ridiculous fee
    icon_cool.gif Use my camera as a flashlight without even unlocking the phone.
    9) Run siri on iPhone 4
    10) and more...

    It's not something that is super simple, necessarily, but with some effort anyone can learn how to do it, and the jailbreak community is generous, knowledgeable, and dedicated to freedom of technology.


    None of the things you mentioned are critical enough for any regular user to decide to jailbreak. It is just tweaks and more tweaks, nothing particularly new. The only 2 things I can say are critical for someone to jailbreak are :

    Tethering and free apps.

    Now, here in Canada we dont pay for tethering so it does not affect me. I also dont mind paying for apps since Im a mobile developer myself.

    You said : "genius hackers", which made me think that the hacking community invented something that was not already invented which isnt the case here. Pull down notifications came from Android not "the hacking community", volume button to take pictures came from Nokia. Twitter and Facebook integration its more like duh, obviously at some point they were going to do so. All these features are now part of iOS because users kept demanding them and Apple took their time to make them happen and thats a good thing. Over time you have less and less excuses to jailbreak yet that bothers you? Also you are too focused blaming Apple for giving customers what they wanted not soon enough, at the same time you make it sound as if all that new iOS releases are about is to catch up to the jailbreak. That is not even close, true, needed, powerful features like Siri, iCloud, PhotoStreams, iMessage and so on didnt come from the "genius hacking community".

    Now the question is do I want to compromise everything iOS has over Android: stability, security, access to the latest firmware, performance, consistency and so on just so that I can have a few tweaks here and there plus some cool yet not must need features? Absolutely not. If you want customization, free apps, freedom and whatnot what the fuck are you doing with an iPhone in the first place? Get a fucking Android handset, jeez
  • Medjai

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    Feb 08, 2013 3:22 AM GMT
    JerseyJames75 said
    charlitos said
    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?


    oh boy don't get me started!

    When iOS 5 was released and they changed how notifications appeared (by having them appear at the top of the screen) that was something the hacking community had already done. Pushing to facebook and twitter... already done. Using your volume buttons to take photos... already done... It makes sense that apple would reverse engineering the creativity of the hacking community. Thousands of minds are always going to be more brilliant.

    I watched the iOS 5 promo video on Apple.com and literally was laughing out loud because my iPhone running iOS 4 could already do that stuff that was being promoted for iOS 5.

    Being jailbroken allows me to:
    1) Resize icons on my screen so I can have more than I want
    2) Put as many icons in a folder as I want
    3) Use multitouch and various swiping gestures to open applications
    4) Allow me to quickly close all apps completely, essentialyl returning all my ram to my phone.
    5) Gives me access to all sorts of UI tweaks to make the phone appear however I want it.
    6) Gives me access to user-developed software that doesn't need to meet apples standards
    7) Gives me access to my 3G connection so I can tether my laptop without paying Verizon's ridiculous fee
    icon_cool.gif Use my camera as a flashlight without even unlocking the phone.
    9) Run siri on iPhone 4
    10) and more...

    It's not something that is super simple, necessarily, but with some effort anyone can learn how to do it, and the jailbreak community is generous, knowledgeable, and dedicated to freedom of technology.


    Because everything every other company has ever made has been completely unique, right?

    Everything's been done already. Why shouldn't a big company incorporate popular third party features? That just seems like good business practice...

    Also, tethering has been available for a very long time, without jail breaking...
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    Medjai said

    Because everything every other company has ever made has been completely unique, right?

    Everything's been done already. Why shouldn't a big company incorporate popular third party features? That just seems like good business practice...

    Also, tethering has been available for a very long time, without jail breaking...


    Unlike Canada you actually have to pay for tethering in the U.S for some fucked up reason which makes no sense whatsoever. Tethering is just the ability to use your iPhone as a hotspot, there is nothing else to it, the data plan is the same, there is no extra infrastructure needed for tethering to happen, like it makes no fucking sense.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    Medjai said

    Because everything every other company has ever made has been completely unique, right?

    Everything's been done already. Why shouldn't a big company incorporate popular third party features? That just seems like good business practice...

    Also, tethering has been available for a very long time, without jail breaking...


    Unlike Canada you actually have to pay for tethering in the U.S for some fucked up reason which makes no sense whatsoever. Tethering is just the ability to use your iPhone as a hotspot, there is nothing else to it, the data plan is the same, there is no extra infrastructure needed for tethering to happen, like it makes no fucking sense.


    That sounds more like a carrier policy than a manufacturer one...
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:44 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    charlitos said
    Medjai said

    Because everything every other company has ever made has been completely unique, right?

    Everything's been done already. Why shouldn't a big company incorporate popular third party features? That just seems like good business practice...

    Also, tethering has been available for a very long time, without jail breaking...


    Unlike Canada you actually have to pay for tethering in the U.S for some fucked up reason which makes no sense whatsoever. Tethering is just the ability to use your iPhone as a hotspot, there is nothing else to it, the data plan is the same, there is no extra infrastructure needed for tethering to happen, like it makes no fucking sense.


    That sounds more like a carrier policy than a manufacturer one...


    It is a carrier policy, Apple allows carriers to decide wether or not to block tethering on the iPhones connected to their network.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    JerseyJames75 said
    charlitos said
    JerseyJames75 saidI mean, of course apple is going to say that. There are other benefits besides just apps. Also, it can be completely reversed.

    I still agree that all jail breakers should do their homework before hand.

    Also. Apple pisses me off. Every time they release a new version of iOD, most of the new features are features I already had that the hacking community invented. Apple didn't invent them. They stole them from genius hackers who released them to cydia first. Cydia is the jailbroken App Store, more or less.


    What are these genius features that Apple stole?


    oh boy don't get me started!

    When iOS 5 was released and they changed how notifications appeared (by having them appear at the top of the screen) that was something the hacking community had already done. Pushing to facebook and twitter... already done. Using your volume buttons to take photos... already done... It makes sense that apple would reverse engineering the creativity of the hacking community. Thousands of minds are always going to be more brilliant.

    I watched the iOS 5 promo video on Apple.com and literally was laughing out loud because my iPhone running iOS 4 could already do that stuff that was being promoted for iOS 5.

    Being jailbroken allows me to:
    1) Resize icons on my screen so I can have more than I want
    2) Put as many icons in a folder as I want
    3) Use multitouch and various swiping gestures to open applications
    4) Allow me to quickly close all apps completely, essentialyl returning all my ram to my phone.
    5) Gives me access to all sorts of UI tweaks to make the phone appear however I want it.
    6) Gives me access to user-developed software that doesn't need to meet apples standards
    7) Gives me access to my 3G connection so I can tether my laptop without paying Verizon's ridiculous fee
    icon_cool.gif Use my camera as a flashlight without even unlocking the phone.
    9) Run siri on iPhone 4
    10) and more...

    It's not something that is super simple, necessarily, but with some effort anyone can learn how to do it, and the jailbreak community is generous, knowledgeable, and dedicated to freedom of technology.


    None of the things you mentioned are critical enough for any regular user to decide to jailbreak. It is just tweaks and more tweaks, nothing particularly new. The only 2 things I can say are critical for someone to jailbreak are :

    Tethering and free apps.

    Now, here in Canada we dont pay for tethering so it does not affect me. I also dont mind paying for apps since Im a mobile developer myself.

    You said : "genius hackers", which made me think that the hacking community invented something that was not already invented which isnt the case here. Pull down notifications came from Android not "the hacking community", volume button to take pictures came from Nokia. Twitter and Facebook integration its more like duh, obviously at some point they were going to do so. All these features are now part of iOS because users kept demanding them and Apple took their time to make them happen and thats a good thing. Over time you have less and less excuses to jailbreak yet that bothers you? Also you are too focused blaming Apple for giving customers what they wanted not soon enough, at the same time you make it sound as if all that new iOS releases are about is to catch up to the jailbreak. That is not even close, true, needed, powerful features like Siri, iCloud, PhotoStreams, iMessage and so on didnt come from the "genius hacking community".

    Now the question is do I want to compromise everything iOS has over Android: stability, security, access to the latest firmware, performance, consistency and so on just so that I can have a few tweaks here and there plus some cool yet not must need features? Absolutely not. If you want customization, free apps, freedom and whatnot what the fuck are you doing with an iPhone in the first place? Get a fucking Android handset, jeez


    Hmmm... what is critical or not critical depends on the user and their needs. The "typical" user is pretty hard to define, I would imagine. Plus all users can be educated to improve their use of technology. Thus youtube + generous hackers = more knowledge to the common man.

    And I would agree that the ideas may not have come directly from the hacking community... but they didn't originate inside the bubble of Apple, as you provided evidence for yourself. Siri is their only really original idea. The other features you mention have all been done before, and in my opinion done better. I don't use iCloud, because dropbox is better. I don't use photostream. Syncing to Google is better. I'm not knocking Apple over all. Their handset is by far the best piece of hardware, and Steve Jobs is one of my idols. But no company should ever get caught up in their own ego or become complacent. Apple is lacking lately, and the statistics show it... android devices are catching up.

    Android let's anyone produce software. It's open source. Apple locks everything down to suit their needs. The whole "family safe" nature of the apple store is utterly ridiculous. If I want a frickin' porn app, I am a legal adult who has the right to buy one.

    Just to clarify, my post wasn't intended to be read with a tone of anger. It was written in a more jocular nature from my perspective. You sound like you work for Apple though icon_sad.gif

    ALSO, just to clarify... jailbreak does not = stolen apps. The jailbroken app store (AKA Cydia) sells and gives away software produced by independent developers. There are methods of stealing hacked version of Apple AppStore Apps, but whenever that is attempted inside of Cydia, the user is warned about the potential breaking of copyrights, and is advised against proceeding.

    Bottom line. I paid for the hardware and software, and I should be able to do whatever I want with it.

  • Lehurrdurr

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    Feb 08, 2013 5:51 AM GMT
    i'm tempted to jailbreak my phone, and i've always been an apple user all my life.


    if i do attempt to do it can someone teach me? icon_razz.gif
    but it's unlikely if i'll do it.. but maybe
    if i do it, does it delete everything on my phone?
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    Lehurrdurr saidi'm tempted to jailbreak my phone, and i've always been an apple user all my life.


    if i do attempt to do it can someone teach me? icon_razz.gif
    but it's unlikely if i'll do it.. but maybe
    if i do it, does it delete everything on my phone?


    Check out this video
    http://youtu.be/z4FcrJMYjvE

    And some of these videos to learn about "Cydia," which is the app that you get once you are jailbroken.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cydia&oq=cydia&gs_l=youtube.3..0i3l3j0l7.8271.9480.0.9597.5.4.0.1.1.0.102.249.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.M4B_dNJq-yU
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    Feb 08, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
    JerseyJames75 said
    Lehurrdurr saidi'm tempted to jailbreak my phone, and i've always been an apple user all my life.


    if i do attempt to do it can someone teach me? icon_razz.gif
    but it's unlikely if i'll do it.. but maybe
    if i do it, does it delete everything on my phone?


    Check out this video
    http://youtu.be/z4FcrJMYjvE

    And some of these videos to learn about "Cydia," which is the app that you get once you are jailbroken.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cydia&oq=cydia&gs_l=youtube.3..0i3l3j0l7.8271.9480.0.9597.5.4.0.1.1.0.102.249.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.M4B_dNJq-yU


    is that tethered or untethered? (i don't know even what it means but people always asks it!lol)
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    Lehurrdurr said
    JerseyJames75 said
    Lehurrdurr saidi'm tempted to jailbreak my phone, and i've always been an apple user all my life.


    if i do attempt to do it can someone teach me? icon_razz.gif
    but it's unlikely if i'll do it.. but maybe
    if i do it, does it delete everything on my phone?


    Check out this video
    http://youtu.be/z4FcrJMYjvE

    And some of these videos to learn about "Cydia," which is the app that you get once you are jailbroken.

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cydia&oq=cydia&gs_l=youtube.3..0i3l3j0l7.8271.9480.0.9597.5.4.0.1.1.0.102.249.3j1.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.M4B_dNJq-yU


    is that tethered or untethered? (i don't know even what it means but people always asks it!lol)


    Evasi0n is untethered, which is better. Tethered means that you must plug your phone into your computer and run a small piece of software in order to get the phone to boot up properly. So, if your battery dies, or if you have to restart your phone for some reason, you are stranded until you get to a computer.

    Watch as many videos as you can before you do anything. You should try to understand what you're doing before you attempt it. icon_smile.gif But good luck in learning!
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    Hmmm... what is critical or not critical depends on the user and their needs. The "typical" user is pretty hard to define, I would imagine. Plus all users can be educated to improve their use of technology. Thus youtube + generous hackers = more knowledge to the common man.

    And I would agree that the ideas may not have come directly from the hacking community... but they didn't originate inside the bubble of Apple, as you provided evidence for yourself. Siri is their only really original idea. The other features you mention have all been done before, and in my opinion done better. I don't use iCloud, because dropbox is better. I don't use photostream. Syncing to Google is better. I'm not knocking Apple over all. Their handset is by far the best piece of hardware, and Steve Jobs is one of my idols. But no company should ever get caught up in their own ego or become complacent. Apple is lacking lately, and the statistics show it... android devices are catching up.

    Android let's anyone produce software. It's open source. Apple locks everything down to suit their needs. The whole "family safe" nature of the apple store is utterly ridiculous. If I want a frickin' porn app, I am a legal adult who has the right to buy one.

    Just to clarify, my post wasn't intended to be read with a tone of anger. It was written in a more jocular nature from my perspective. You sound like you work for Apple though icon_sad.gif

    ALSO, just to clarify... jailbreak does not = stolen apps. The jailbroken app store (AKA Cydia) sells and gives away software produced by independent developers. There are methods of stealing hacked version of Apple AppStore Apps, but whenever that is attempted inside of Cydia, the user is warned about the potential breaking of copyrights, and is advised against proceeding.

    Bottom line. I paid for the hardware and software, and I should be able to do whatever I want with it.



    LMFAO, you thought i was angry? lol just because I say fucking this and fucking that does not mean im angry, im just adding emphasis to the sentence.

    Anyhow, fucking tweaks are not needs, they can be a handy thing to have but they are not necessary and in most cases they only serve to cripple the experience. I do want Apple to incorporate some more of the useful tweaks in future releases but that does not mean Im going to hack my phone just so that I can have smaller icons and "custom gestures". Why? Because some of these tweaks were not thought through and they may conflict with native parts of the system. For instance "custom gestures" will inevitably conflict with certain apps that rely on multitouch, and different tap inputs to function properly.

    I didnt say Apple invented everything there exists. They have already invented enough as it is. They actually are the only tech company in the world that has released a total of 4 disruptive products in the history of the company : the Mac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad. In contrast Samsung has no disruptive products to show for in the history of their company. Apple does not need to invent everything they implement, thats what licensing is for. You were the one who said that the "genius hackers" were the masterminds behind all these features, I never said Apple was. Furthermore you are just complaning because Apple actually takes away reasons to jailbreak with every new release. At this point it makes very little sense to jailbreak, this is not 2009 anymore.

    Im afraid I have to stop talking because you do not quite undersand your iPhone or the things you can do with your iPhone. Comparing iCloud to Dropbox is silly, these two services are NOT mutually exclusive, they are two completely different things but I really dont want to make this a long ass post explaining iCloud and PhotoStream. All im going to say is that iCloud is not an option, you can limit what it does but it is natively integrated within iOS. As a matter of fact I use both iCloud and Dropbox because dropbox will never allow me to set up a new iPhone to the last state of my previous iPhone(and thats just the tip of the iceberg).

    You are saying "no no no is not about stolen apps" but "yes you can get paid apps for free if you click the warning button" lol.

    So Android "lets anyone to produce software" is bad, but allowing a hacked system into your phone is OK? Understand your device better before jailbreaking, most of the time the sacrifices aint worth it. I dont care what people do with their smartphones, but most of the time those who jailbreak dont even know or understand what they're doing. I would say that iOS developers know iOS better than anybody else, and I yet have not met a single profesional iOS developer who owns a fucking jailbroken iPhone.

    note: Im not angry

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    Feb 08, 2013 4:43 PM GMT
    When you say that "fucking tweaks are not needs" that is a matter of opinion. What one individual "needs" can't be defined by you, or a company. By your logic, a cell phone isn't even really a need. Food is a need. Tweaks have NEVER crippled my experience, and the more one learns how to use them, the more they can enhance the experience. Custom gestures are editable, and if there is ever a conflict with apps, they can be modified, however I have never had to do this. In the USA, having freedom to my 3G connection to tether is reason enough for me to jailbreak. I can't help that I live here, so if anything my message could be geared directly to those living in the USA.

    I also respect Apple. A lot. We are on the same page there. Your argument about "taking away reasons to jailbreak" is flawed. For every reason they give to stop jailbreaking, they introduce another reason TO jailbreak. Siri, for example. I had to jailbreak my phone to get Siri. There will always be a hacking community that wants to push the envelope on what a device can do. And to be fair, hackers are pretty genius. They manage to get around all the security features that Apple tries to implement. Sometimes it takes time, but it always happens. And it always will. There will always be individuals who are tired of "the institution" and who want to "expand beyond the limits set by the institution." Hackers form underground communities and work together to enhance the freedom of knowledge for all people who are willing to do a bit of learning.

    I know that dropbox and iCloud are not mutually exclusive. And I am sure some users find reasons to use both. The same for photo stream. I also obviously know that iCloud is integrated into the operating system. I just choose to turn off almost all of the features except for "Find my iPhone" which has come in pretty handy (And also existed as a tweak in Cydia before Apple released it). And technically speaking, dropbox COULD allow you to sync a new phone back to the old phone's state if you saved your iTunes backup into your dropbox folder.

    As for your comment about stolen software. Yes, I agree, I stated the facts. You can use Cydia to find software that will enable you to steal applications that you should be paying for in the app store. But using Cydia to find that software doesn't mean that the majority of hackers support this notion. Cydia does everything that it can possibly do to warn the users against downloading anything that is designed to enable piracy.

    I never said Android allowing individuals to produce software was bad... I think I was saying that's a positive to Android? And, I also agree that users should do their homework before jailbreaking. Not everyone needs to do it, but I still think that it's a great learning experience for those who want to get interested in it. "Most of the sacrifices ain't worth it," isn't really a valid argument. It's also a matter of opinion. I personally don't even really think there are that many sacrifices. My experience has only been enhanced. People will never learn anything if they don't try. You say "most of the time those who jailbreak don't even know or understand what they're doing." ... Well let me ask you, how are they supposed to learn if they don't try?

    Also, rationality is more persuasive than bravado. "Fucking this" and "fucking that" comes off as angry, even if you personally don't intend it to. It's just a socially constructed response that humans have to charged language.

    I'm also still riding this hunch that you work for Apple. I could be wrong. But it's a hunch.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    If I'm putting a T-Mobile sim card into my 5 (which is already unlocked- I bought it unlocked from Apple) do I need to jailbreak it?

    I thought if I just bought the unlocked version from Apple and stuck my T-Mobile Sim in there, then I wouldn't have any issues....
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:44 PM GMT
    running11 saidIf I'm putting a T-Mobile sim card into my 5 (which is already unlocked- I bought it unlocked from Apple) do I need to jailbreak it?

    I thought if I just bought the unlocked version from Apple and stuck my T-Mobile Sim in there, then I wouldn't have any issues....


    Are you currently having issues? I would imagine you would need to talk to tmobile to set it all up. Jail breaking wouldn't be needed.