What do you think about the use of REAL animal material in today's clothing/fashion industry?

  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 06, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    I know this is a sensitive topic... but I really just need to ask this community of their inputs or thoughts.
    Do you like or dislike it?
    Do you support the use because of their highly aesthetic value?

    it's for a uni project i'm doing, in which i'm particularly going against CANADA GOOSE for their use of coyote fur and goose down. I am also targeting the overall clothing/fashion industry today that use such material. In my personal opinion, i'm against it. It's inhumane due to such cruel treatment on these animals, and also because such claims of maintaining environmental sustainability when processing animal material is a lie.

    Thanks for your time! icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 06, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
    Archaic, and more common than you think you know.
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    Feb 06, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
    I'd rather see real animal fur be used for clothing instead of skin graphs. That would look a bit awkward.
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    Feb 06, 2013 2:31 AM GMT


    Are the animals being killed solely for their skins, and what animals?

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    Feb 06, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
    Well, I wish he'd specify, because I'm with you Yourname. Waste nothing. BUT, if he's talking about cats, for example...

    O.O


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    Feb 06, 2013 4:59 AM GMT
    I'm vegan...
    So, NO...I neither buy nor encourage others (I doesn't discourage them) to buy animal products!
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    Feb 06, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    I'm mostly vegetarian so as to reduce suffering but not vegan. I do try to avoid animal products but I'm not going to make myself neurotic about it. There's already enough suffering in the world caused just by trying to find a comfortable pair of shoes.

    Some of the leathers are very difficult to avoid. Some car models don't even come in cloth seats. Sneakers, forget it, I'm pretty sure those are leather. I tried wearing a rope belt but people kept calling me Jethro.

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    Eating that possum pie probably canceled out wearing those vegan belts.
  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 06, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    meninlove said Well, I wish he'd specify, because I'm with you Yourname. Waste nothing. BUT, if he's talking about cats, for example...

    O.O




    cats in today's clothing/fashion industry are used for their fur.

    and as well, the carcasses of animals are tossed away once their fur, feathers and skin have been torn off. :S
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    Feb 06, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    AldrosLL said
    meninlove said Well, I wish he'd specify, because I'm with you Yourname. Waste nothing. BUT, if he's talking about cats, for example...

    O.O




    cats in today's clothing/fashion industry are used for their fur.

    and as well, the carcasses of animals are tossed away once their fur, feathers and skin have been torn off. :S

    In that instance; dislike.

    If this project is real, I think it important to list the various animals used so your answers are accurate to avoid a misleading generalization.
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    Feb 06, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
    I try to use leather as little as possible. My daily hip wallet is nylon cloth, and outlasts leather. Almost all my belts are fabric, many with D-rings or military-style slip buckles, except for my leather dress belts, where I don't have much choice.

    Only 2 of my current 9 wristwatches have leather bands (I just checked), the others being man-made, including metal mesh on my evening watches. For formal wear (black bow tie) I still use an ultra-thin nylon billfold for my essential ID items only, because no one ever sees it, in an inside dinner jacket pocket. My cash for bartender tips and valet parking is in a money clip in my trouser pocket, no need for a leather wallet at all.

    My patent pumps are real leather, and my other dress shoes, again little choice there. But wherever I can I deliberately avoid leather. My golf shoes are all man-made materials, for lightness, one pair having nylon mesh panels for good ventilation in the Florida heat. But then my New Balance walkers go back to leather, it's difficult to totally ban the material.

    I just try to minimize my use of animal products, especially leathers (I no longer have leather jackets, or luggage), but total elimination seems nearly impossible.
  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 06, 2013 4:14 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidI try to use leather as little as possible. My daily hip wallet is nylon cloth, and outlasts leather. Almost all my belts are fabric, many with D-rings or military-style slip buckles, except for my leather dress belts, where I don't have much choice.

    Only 2 of my current 9 wristwatches have leather bands (I just checked), the others being man-made, including metal mesh on my evening watches. For formal wear (black bow tie) I still use an ultra-thin nylon billfold for my essential ID items only, because no one ever sees it, in an inside dinner jacket pocket. My cash for bartender tips and valet parking is in a money clip in my trouser pocket, no need for a leather wallet at all.

    My patent pumps are real leather, and my other dress shoes, again little choice there. But wherever I can I deliberately avoid leather. My golf shoes are all man-made materials, for lightness, one pair having nylon mesh panels for good ventilation in the Florida heat. But then my New Balance walkers go back to leather, it's difficult to totally ban the material.

    I just try to minimize my use of animal products, especially leathers (I no longer have leather jackets, or luggage), but total elimination seems nearly impossible.


    that's great man! In my part, I hope that I continue to use synthetic materials as alternatives. And thanks for your input icon_smile.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 06, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    Most shoes are made of leather. I think you have to go out of your way to find shoes that aren't leather.

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    Feb 06, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
    I think it's barbaric and unnecessary and I feel like there are other alternatives to this besides killing animals for clothing. We've evolved past that.
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    Feb 06, 2013 4:33 PM GMT
    AldrosLL said
    ART_DECO saidI try to use leather as little as possible. My daily hip wallet is nylon cloth, and outlasts leather. Almost all my belts are fabric, many with D-rings or military-style slip buckles, except for my leather dress belts, where I don't have much choice.

    Only 2 of my current 9 wristwatches have leather bands (I just checked), the others being man-made, including metal mesh on my evening watches. For formal wear (black bow tie) I still use an ultra-thin nylon billfold for my essential ID items only, because no one ever sees it, in an inside dinner jacket pocket. My cash for bartender tips and valet parking is in a money clip in my trouser pocket, no need for a leather wallet at all.

    My patent pumps are real leather, and my other dress shoes, again little choice there. But wherever I can I deliberately avoid leather. My golf shoes are all man-made materials, for lightness, one pair having nylon mesh panels for good ventilation in the Florida heat. But then my New Balance walkers go back to leather, it's difficult to totally ban the material.

    I just try to minimize my use of animal products, especially leathers (I no longer have leather jackets, or luggage), but total elimination seems nearly impossible.


    that's great man! In my part, I hope that I continue to use synthetic materials as alternatives. And thanks for your input icon_smile.gif

    Here's the wallet company I currently use. I've had their nylon L-shaped wallet for years, with 2 card windows, very tough & durable. But I especially like the thinness, I hate a big brick in my hip pocket. Not good for my bad back, for one thing, and I think a huge bulge back there looks awful.

    http://www.bigskinny.net
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    Feb 06, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
    The only skin I like wearing is my own. However, I do own some leather but not much. A couple belts, couple pair of shoes and a watch band. As for leather clothes and fur, I hate cold weather so I have no need for them.




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    Feb 06, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    For cowhide, pigskin, and sheepskin leather in particular: people are eating these animals. They are already being slaughtered.

    From a purely environmental standpoint, why would we waste the resources of a useful byproduct? How does substitution with another natural or synthetic textile actually help reduce the resource load of supporting 7 billion humans? The cold fact is, it doesn't.

    Even if we reduced consumption of meat and other animal products by a huge factor, there would still be enough of these leather byproducts to clothe us.
  • hanzo83

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    Feb 06, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    I don't like that live animals are killed for clothing but I'm not gonna let it make me unhappy either. If poachers can just find fresh, dead carcasses to use then that's fine by me lol.
  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 06, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    intensity69 saidFor cowhide, pigskin, and sheepskin leather in particular: people are eating these animals. They are already being slaughtered.

    From a purely environmental standpoint, why would we waste the resources of a useful byproduct? How does substitution with another natural or synthetic textile actually help reduce the resource load of supporting 7 billion humans? The cold fact is, it doesn't.

    Even if we reduced consumption of meat and other animal products by a huge factor, there would still be enough of these leather byproducts to clothe us.


    useful by product? the issue with today's clothing/ fashion industry is that they're supporting companies that only want animals for their fur, down, and skin. They are killing hundreds of coyotes, polar-bears that are already endangered, geese, sheep, raccoon dogs and in certain instances cats and dogs. Other than geese and sheep, the carcasses of these wild animals are discarded. This is already wasting. And honestly, how do you feel about such inhumane actions? The way coyotes are being killed is terrible and Canada Goose only use their fur for the trim on the hood of their jackets. Would you ever skin a coyote just for that?
    In terms of the growing population, processing animal hides takes a lot of dangerous chemicals. These chemicals will continue to pollute the environment and us if we continue to purchase clothing with animal material.
    Don't get me wrong, I was raised to think that everything I consume from an animal must be used, but this is what these clothing companies are not doing.
  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 06, 2013 10:49 PM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    AldrosLL said
    intensity69 saidFor cowhide, pigskin, and sheepskin leather in particular: people are eating these animals. They are already being slaughtered.

    From a purely environmental standpoint, why would we waste the resources of a useful byproduct? How does substitution with another natural or synthetic textile actually help reduce the resource load of supporting 7 billion humans? The cold fact is, it doesn't.

    Even if we reduced consumption of meat and other animal products by a huge factor, there would still be enough of these leather byproducts to clothe us.


    useful by product? the issue with today's clothing/ fashion industry is that they're supporting companies that only want animals for their fur, down, and skin. They are killing hundreds of coyotes, polar-bears that are already endangered, geese, sheep, raccoon dogs and in certain instances cats and dogs. Other than geese and sheep, the carcasses of these wild animals are discarded. This is already wasting. And honestly, how do you feel about such inhumane actions? The way coyotes are being killed is terrible and Canada Goose only use their fur for the trim on the hood of their jackets. Would you ever skin a coyote just for that?
    In terms of the growing population, processing animal hides takes a lot of dangerous chemicals. These chemicals will continue to pollute the environment and us if we continue to purchase clothing with animal material.
    Don't get me wrong, I was raised to think that everything I consume from an animal must be used, but this is what these clothing companies are not doing.

    Hey, asswipe: are you asking for people's opinions because you want to know, or just so you can tell them that they're wrong. icon_rolleyes.gif

    This is what's bullshit about you fake-ass bleeding hearts: you don't give a shit about discussion or debate, you just think you're superior and put out these passive-aggressive "whadda ya think?" threads so you can lord over how fucking smard you are.

    Fuck off already.



    Yeah I'm terribly sorry. :-( I just realized that I was being arrogant and I wanted to come back saying thank you for your input because this was what the post was meant for.
    to the person I just argue to though, i'm sorry and thank you for your input. I will continue to look for more information from that.
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    Feb 07, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
    AldrosLL said
    intensity69 saidFor cowhide, pigskin, and sheepskin leather in particular: people are eating these animals. They are already being slaughtered.

    From a purely environmental standpoint, why would we waste the resources of a useful byproduct? How does substitution with another natural or synthetic textile actually help reduce the resource load of supporting 7 billion humans? The cold fact is, it doesn't.

    Even if we reduced consumption of meat and other animal products by a huge factor, there would still be enough of these leather byproducts to clothe us.


    useful by product? the issue with today's clothing/ fashion industry is that they're supporting companies that only want animals for their fur, down, and skin. They are killing hundreds of coyotes, polar-bears that are already endangered, geese, sheep, raccoon dogs and in certain instances cats and dogs. Other than geese and sheep, the carcasses of these wild animals are discarded. This is already wasting. And honestly, how do you feel about such inhumane actions? The way coyotes are being killed is terrible and Canada Goose only use their fur for the trim on the hood of their jackets. Would you ever skin a coyote just for that?
    In terms of the growing population, processing animal hides takes a lot of dangerous chemicals. These chemicals will continue to pollute the environment and us if we continue to purchase clothing with animal material.
    Don't get me wrong, I was raised to think that everything I consume from an animal must be used, but this is what these clothing companies are not doing.


    I certainly have more sympathy for your POV for products derived from non-food animals, as that represents waste in my opinion. That's why I was stressing cow, pig, and sheep products... though others also qualify (e.g. rabbit).
  • AldrosLL

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    Feb 07, 2013 12:20 AM GMT
    intensity69 said
    AldrosLL said
    intensity69 saidFor cowhide, pigskin, and sheepskin leather in particular: people are eating these animals. They are already being slaughtered.

    From a purely environmental standpoint, why would we waste the resources of a useful byproduct? How does substitution with another natural or synthetic textile actually help reduce the resource load of supporting 7 billion humans? The cold fact is, it doesn't.

    Even if we reduced consumption of meat and other animal products by a huge factor, there would still be enough of these leather byproducts to clothe us.


    useful by product? the issue with today's clothing/ fashion industry is that they're supporting companies that only want animals for their fur, down, and skin. They are killing hundreds of coyotes, polar-bears that are already endangered, geese, sheep, raccoon dogs and in certain instances cats and dogs. Other than geese and sheep, the carcasses of these wild animals are discarded. This is already wasting. And honestly, how do you feel about such inhumane actions? The way coyotes are being killed is terrible and Canada Goose only use their fur for the trim on the hood of their jackets. Would you ever skin a coyote just for that?
    In terms of the growing population, processing animal hides takes a lot of dangerous chemicals. These chemicals will continue to pollute the environment and us if we continue to purchase clothing with animal material.
    Don't get me wrong, I was raised to think that everything I consume from an animal must be used, but this is what these clothing companies are not doing.


    I certainly have more sympathy for your POV for products derived from non-food animals, as that represents waste in my opinion. That's why I was stressing cow, pig, and sheep products... though others also qualify (e.g. rabbit).


    Yes exactly. People need to start using more and more out of the animals people kill.
    Yet at the same time, we continue to discard most of the animal.
    and yeah I'm very sensitive to topics like this >_< ... equality for animals too D: