Are you FOR or AGAINST assisted suicide?

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    Feb 08, 2013 5:27 AM GMT
    There are so many laws against it and they really go after the doctors. I am Christian but I also think that if you are suffering through a debilitating disease that you have the right to make that decision, especially if you are over the age of retirement
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:28 AM GMT
    For. I don't think a person's own life should be in the hands of another to decide if the person does not want to live anymore, unless they have a chemical inbalance in the brain which is making them depressed and suicidal in which case I would suggest a psychiatrist to talk to and hopefully to be prescribed anti-depressants.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:37 AM GMT
    For
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
    For. holla
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
    For.

    I've had my fair share of caring for terminally ill patients who were in immense amount of pain. No one should ever go through that kind of suffering!
  • SinfulWays

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    Feb 08, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
    I'm All for it!!!!
  • AMoonHawk

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    Feb 08, 2013 5:46 AM GMT
    I don't believe people should commit suicide, but I also believe every individual has the God given right of freedom of choice.

    Since suicide is in essence self murder then I don't believe in assisted suicide because it is the same as assisted murder, but again I believe every individual has the God given right of freedom to choose their own moral values.

    What's not right for me, may be for someone else. How is it so much different then and do not resuscitate sign declaration which could be considered a form of suicide. Alcoholics, over eaters, tobacco smokers all commit a slow form of suicide every day. So as long as you sign a paper or give some sort of declaration ahead of time, when people know you are in your right mind, then I suppose it is the individuals choice.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
    I'm for assisted suicide, as long as there are appropriate checks-and-balances in the process to receive it. And that the subject in question gets counselling of some sort along the way to ensure that it is not a rash decision, as well as the strictly medical criteria.

    Hopefully, counselling would also be provided for family in these cases.
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    Feb 08, 2013 6:12 AM GMT
    In favor.
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    Feb 08, 2013 6:28 AM GMT
    can I pick who I assist it for...regardless if they want to in the first place? pretty please?
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    Feb 08, 2013 7:29 AM GMT
    Myol saidThere are so many laws against it and they really go after the doctors. I am Christian but I also think that if you are suffering through a debilitating disease that you have the right to make that decision, especially if you are over the age of retirement


    How would you feel if I said:

    I'm over the age of retirement but I also think that if you are suffering through a debilitating disease that you have the right to make that decision, especially if you are Christian or a gay black man

    ?

    Because I think ageism is debilitating and I'd like to see that form of discrimination both suffer & finally die.

    Life is not worth less because you age.

    Thank you.
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    Feb 08, 2013 7:37 AM GMT
    for if its very very unbearable for someone to live

    rip is better than stay in hell alive
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    Feb 08, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
    I'm all for euthanasia.
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    Feb 08, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
    intensity69 saidI'm for assisted suicide, as long as there are appropriate checks-and-balances in the process to receive it. And that the subject in question gets counselling of some sort along the way to ensure that it is not a rash decision, as well as the strictly medical criteria.

    Hopefully, counselling would also be provided for family in these cases.


    this.
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    Feb 08, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    It's a great way to get away with murder. When you say the rape victim wanted it, it's your word against theirs. Not so with euthanasia.icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 08, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    AMoonHawk said...Since suicide is in essence self murder then I don't believe in assisted suicide because it is the same as assisted murder, but again I believe every individual has the God given right of freedom to choose their own moral values.....


    Not even all killing is considered by reasonable men to be murder. Self-defense, for instance. Or in legitimatized war we think of killing as simply killing or as casualties. Even some illegal killing isn't always murder but sometimes it is manslaughter. So it seems that calling the taking of one's own life a self-murder is a tad bit of a mischaracterization, unfairly stigmatizing and thereby damaging the dignity of such a private decision and deeply intimate act.

    HottJoe saidIt's a great way to get away with murder. When you say the rape victim wanted it, it's your word against theirs. Not so with euthanasia.icon_eek.gif


    Well, that's a weird thought but not necessarily impractical and I actually felt a little weirdness about having hospice help with my mom. Though I considered going into the field myself, not to help the dying but to as counsel for the survivors and if I recall right I believe men-in-love has experience in that.

    I do know someone who has assisted suicide who is in the wellness industry so the assistance seemed more a matter of practicality and compassion. But I can see your point about what if it is a person's fetish to either kill or be present while someone else dies?

    Was Kevorkian acting out of compassion or acting out a fetish? What of proctologists or podiatrists? Dedicated professional or fetishist?

    I would have loved to have gone into nursing but gooey guts creep me out. Maybe sometimes a fetish is convenient.
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    Feb 08, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    to each his own.. but to honest, in regards to health and medicine.. I believe in fighting to the bitter end... miracles and discoveries are happening everyday. I don't think my personality would allow me to quit life.

    But others are allowed to control themselves, so I guess I am for it icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 08, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
    For. Nobody should be able to take away Your right to live or die.
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    Feb 08, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidto each his own.. but to honest, in regards to health and medicine.. I believe in fighting to the bitter end... miracles and discoveries are happening everyday. I don't think my personality would allow me to quit life.

    But others are allowed to control themselves, so I guess I am for it icon_neutral.gif


    My experience with "fighting to the bitter end" was with my mom who held out all hope for a cure for Alzheimer's during a period when "miracle" cures were supposedly on the horizon (one wound up killing a few of the victims volunteers--and mom actually had volunteered for that trial but was rejected), but in doing so she missed her window of opportunity to end her own suffering.

    She then later, once her Alzheimer's worsened, indicated to me that she'd rather be dead. But by then she was so demented and so incapable of carrying out the deed herself that she took that decision out of my hands: assistance was not a consideration simply for the fact that I knew she would never have asked me to risk my future had she not been demented. So all I could do was to keep her as safe and as comfortable as possible which in itself prolonged her suffering. It was a horrible thing to watch and to be involved with.
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    Feb 08, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
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    dudewithabeard saidto each his own.. but to honest, in regards to health and medicine.. I believe in fighting to the bitter end... miracles and discoveries are happening everyday. I don't think my personality would allow me to quit life.

    But others are allowed to control themselves, so I guess I am for it icon_neutral.gif


    My experience with "fighting to the bitter end" was with my mom who held out all hope for a cure for Alzheimer's during a period when "miracle" cures were supposedly on the horizon (one wound up killing a few of the victims volunteers--and mom actually had volunteered for that trial but was rejected), but in doing so she missed her window of opportunity to end her own suffering.

    She then later, once her Alzheimer's worsened, indicated to me that she'd rather be dead. But by then she was so demented and so incapable of carrying out the deed herself that she took that decision out of my hands: assistance was not a consideration simply for the fact that I knew she would never have asked me to risk my future had she not been demented. So all I could do was to keep her as safe and as comfortable as possible which in itself prolonged her suffering. It was a horrible thing to watch and to be involved with.


    degenerative brain diseases run in my family. I am very well aware of what may lie ahead for me. I have watched numerous relatives suffer but that doesn't change anything for me. Once you have knocked on death's door you realize that is not some place you would ever want to rush to any sooner than you am destined for. but again, this is just my opinion for myself which is a product of my own life experiences.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    *remembering in sorrow a few men that pulled the plug JUST before AIDS cocktail became available*

    *grieving*

    It's not always a simple yes or no.
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    btw, no offense to the OP... what a very depressing topic for a Friday in All Things Gay..



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    Feb 08, 2013 5:35 PM GMT
    I am for it ....
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    Feb 08, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saiddegenerative brain diseases run in my family. I am very well aware of what may lie ahead for me. I have watched numerous relatives suffer but that doesn't change anything for me. Once you have knocked on death's door you realize that is not some place you would ever want to rush to any sooner than you am destined for. but again, this is just my opinion for myself which is a product of my own life experiences.


    I do understand and feel for that decision in either direction. What I find interesting is how (as far as I know) every major religion calls suicide sin, even Buddhism which itself can function more of an educational system rather than a belief system. (Though, to be fair, as Amoonhawk noted and I've mentioned in the past myself, what's the difference between consciously self-directing suicide or spending a lifetime smoking and over eating? How is one a sin but--outside of gluttony--the other not?)

    One of the odd aspects of Buddhism which I study is that there's actually a concept--sorry, but I've forgotten what is its term--that even for someone who has spent their lifetime working on their meditations and connections to consciousness that "their place in line is held" should their bodies develop dementia. I personally find the concept to be a bit too convenient to hold much water. Also they've got another quaint rule in dream yoga whereby the dream yogi is forbidden to enter what is referred to as the clear light of death which ends the life of the body. But then for those who do, that death is considered tantamount to the kiss of God. So they really just need to make up their minds.
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    Feb 09, 2013 4:09 AM GMT
    For it completely. Whether it turns out to be a mistake or not, it's the life's owner's right to make that mistake or right choice.