I don't get the Modern Family/ New Normal hype

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    Feb 11, 2013 4:08 PM GMT
    I watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.
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    Feb 11, 2013 4:21 PM GMT
    I don't see the political messages in either show. I find them extremely funny though! I love Gloria and Cam in Modern Family. They're two of my fav characters.
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    Feb 11, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    Erik101 saidI don't see the political messages in either show. I find them extremely funny though! I love Gloria and Cam in Modern Family. They're two of my fav characters.


    Well Modern Family isn't neccesarily a political show but the New Normal is like a weekly PSA for gay people. I stopped watching at point because it became too much. If I wanted to get a lot of biased fluff passed off as a serious opinion/viewpoint I'd continue reading the Huffington Post.
  • imbrad

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    Feb 11, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
    They are both satires on the traditional perspective of the American family. For the most part the American family structure has not changed much since the early colonization through the 1950's. The traditional patriarchal structure is what this entire country was built on. After that time the society made a major shift toward recognizing that the traditional structure has a lot of flaws in it and over the last 60 years the American family has evolved in a LOT of different ways. These shows are humerous veiws of the ways the family has broken away from the old form and the new complications that arise because of that.

    Are they racially disproportionate? Probably. Do they have a lot of money? Generally. Do they relate and offer new perspective to their primary demographic? Yes. Your critisizms are valid but take them for what they are and you might get more out of them than you expected.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 11, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    Of the ones you mention, only Modern Family is well written. The other two are junk. But it, too, is skewed white/rich which may not appeal to you if you can't find a character to identify with. I think it is a soft sell to middle class America and generally good for our community. I'd suggest you take a chill pill. You've got some issues. I don't get into some of the black urban comedy but I recognize it's just because I'm unfamiliar with their references. Doesn't make me mad.
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.


    Modern Family is a well done show, but I don't see the hype. I've tried watching it a few times. I could certainly see why people liked the show, but I just couldn't get into it.

    The New Normal on the other hand is just not funny, and Glee is a fucking tragedy. I can't stand that show.
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Modern Family is hysterical...The New Normal is blah. The guy that's not Justin Bartha is so queeny and annoying.
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.

    I'm with you
    They might be trying to depict a new diversity within families, but they sure don't do anything to show diversity among gays.

    I don't care about the political BS they try to incorporate. But as a gay man I'm offended that they always write the gay characters to reinforce a very narrow stereotype of over the top effeminate bitchy drama queens. It also annoys me that they hire str8 actors to play the gay characters. I cringe everytime i see Cam do his schtick on modern family It's like watching a white guy do blackface.

    Ya I get it, it's comedy and it's the cheap and easy laugh, but it's demeaning.

    I know, it's a lot more difficult to write a complex gay character that challenges people's preconceptions but it can be done, the gay cop on Southland is a great example.

    Yeah, some gay guys are "Birdcage" and that's great the world wouldn't be as bright without them, but in real life we're a lot more diverse than that, C'mon h'wood, how about simply expanding the range?
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    All 3 are pretty darn boring

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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.

    I'm with you
    They might be trying to depict a new diversity within families, but they sure don't do anything to show diversity among gays.
    I don't care about the political BS they try to incorporate. But as a gay man I'm offended that they always write the gay characters to reinforce a very narrow stereotype of over the top effeminate bitchy drama queens. It also annoys me that they hire str8 actors to play the gay characters. I cringe everytime i see Cam do his schtick on modern family It's like watching a white guy do blackface.

    Ya I get it, it's comedy and it's the cheap and easy laugh, but it's demeaning.

    I know, it's a lot more difficult to write a complex gay character that challenges people's preconceptions but it can be done, the gay cop on Southland is a great example.

    Yeah, some gay guys are "Birdcage" and that's great the world wouldn't be as bright without them, but in real life we're a lot more diverse than that, C'mon h'wood, how about simply expanding the range?[/quote]

    THANK FUCKING YOU!

    I mean look at the lesbian couples on most network shows, hell even on ABC. Callie and Arizona are two 'normal' women who aren't super femmy or butchy but they are lesbians. Why the hell can't there be two gay men like that on TV? I laugh sometimes at Cam but it's far and few between. I mean I applaud the fact they didn't go for two pretty boys but still it's annoying how in lieu of showing two non stereotypical gay men they went for queens AND they get Emmys for it.

    The New Normal and Glee are fucking horrible. Ryan Murphy is a Judas to gay kind and only those who are entertained on the most basic level find his schlock entertaining and that includes American Horror Story.
  • ohioguy12

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    Feb 11, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    I love modern family, not for any gay aspect, but I love Phil Dunphy. I actually think I relate to him well. The New Normal sucks.


    Happy Endings is better than the New Normal, and has my favorite gay character
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince saidI watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.


    I agree to some degree. First the good.

    These shows are powerful in that openly gay characters are on television and are being watched by straight americans. These shows provide a human element to their characters, and though they do capitalize on some stereotypes, they are far better than the depiction of gays from shows like "Queer Eye" which was built on fem and aesthetic stereotypes, and "Queer as Folk" which depict all gay men as hyper-sexual beings.

    Still there is much left to be desired.

    Glee makes its seem like all gays like theatre and just need to sing away their life problems, which is a big joke in my book. Occasionally that show has some deeper story lines (I think there was one about a closeted football player who tries to commit suicide) but than subsequently dropped that character and storyline shortly after. Not all gays are twinky little Kurts who want to sing girl songs.

    New Normal, I had hope for. They had two gay men, one fem, one more masculine. I was hoping for some more accurate depiction of the diversity of gay men in this. The fem character, however, just makes you want to throw your head through a window. Again, we are not all concerned with Gucci, handbags, and dressing male babies in dresses. The "masculine" character is played by a straight guy, which reinforces the myth that gays cannot be or play masculine, so much so they had to hire a straight actor. Plus, I have such a hard time understanding why this couple would be together. They disagree about mostly everything, and it seems a bit odd couple-ly.

    Modern Family, well it is funny. It isn't awful. It is probably my favorite amongst the three. Still, they have a sexually repressed ginger gay, who seems embarrassed about being gay most of the time. The show does remind me of my family a bit though and I get compared to the ginger often. loll

    Overall, these programs lack the element that makes being gay so special. That there is diversity amongst us and we cannot all be reduced to a stereotype. We come is all different shapes, sizes, color, classes, abilities, etc. The experiences of gay men of color are far different from the experience of white gay men. These programs ignore this greatly. No program focuses on the struggles of the developing a gay identity more than a brief episode, and for many a program devoted to identity development would be of great help to cope during adolescence.

    We need more accurate depictions. Yes we have role models on television now. That is a major success. But are these the role models we want?
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    Feb 11, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    Modern Family is hilarious. Hands down.

    The New Normal is a weekly PSA for gay rights... tried watching it because I heard it was going to be hilarious and was very disappointed. Honestly is it even still playing? I thought they axed it halfway through or something?
  • dalwriter

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    Feb 11, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    I stay away from anything Ryan Murphy has a hand in.

    Modern Family is well plotted and increasingly populated by characters I want to punch in the face.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    dalwriter saidI stay away from anything Ryan Murphy has a hand in.



    I do too, except American Horror Story!
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    ohioguy12 saidI love modern family, not for any gay aspect, but I love Phil Dunphy. I actually think I relate to him well. The New Normal sucks.


    Happy Endings is better than the New Normal, and has my favorite gay character


    Ya I would agree, Max is closer to being real than most gay characters on tv. But again played by a Str8 guy. Happy Endings and New Girl have super self conscious writing styles. When it works it's very good but there are more misses than hits. the mindy project is an initial train wreck that has improved with the addition of supporting cast and is growing on me. No gay character has been identified on there yet.
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    MashogaNubianPrince saidI watch(ed) both shows and I know we're all supposed to be doing loop de loops and barrel rolls that there's a show with gays on it in a positive light on network TV but I don't get the hype of either show. I work with a lot of other young liberalish gay/bi/? people and whenever they bring up these shows (or Glee) I end up holding my tounge. Can someone tell me what I'm missing?

    Personally I just think both shows despite trying to show the diversity of America's families are still white as all fuck and not to mention unresaonably wealthy. But anyway....

    *hands in gay card*

    /rant.


    I agree to some degree. First the good.

    These shows are powerful in that openly gay characters are on television and are being watched by straight americans. These shows provide a human element to their characters, and though they do capitalize on some stereotypes, they are far better than the depiction of gays from shows like "Queer Eye" which was built on fem and aesthetic stereotypes, and "Queer as Folk" which depict all gay men as hyper-sexual beings.

    Still there is much left to be desired.

    Glee makes its seem like all gays like theatre and just need to sing away their life problems, which is a big joke in my book. Occasionally that show has some deeper story lines (I think there was one about a closeted football player who tries to commit suicide) but than subsequently dropped that character and storyline shortly after. Not all gays are twinky little Kurts who want to sing girl songs.

    New Normal, I had hope for. They had two gay men, one fem, one more masculine. I was hoping for some more accurate depiction of the diversity of gay men in this. The fem character, however, just makes you want to throw your head through a window. Again, we are not all concerned with Gucci, handbags, and dressing male babies in dresses. The "masculine" character is played by a straight guy, which reinforces the myth that gays cannot be or play masculine, so much so they had to hire a straight actor. Plus, I have such a hard time understanding why this couple would be together. They disagree about mostly everything, and it seems a bit odd couple-ly.

    Modern Family, well it is funny. It isn't awful. It is probably my favorite amongst the three. Still, they have a sexually repressed ginger gay, who seems embarrassed about being gay most of the time. The show does remind me of my family a bit though and I get compared to the ginger often. loll

    Overall, these programs lack the element that makes being gay so special. That there is diversity amongst us and we cannot all be reduced to a stereotype. We come is all different shapes, sizes, color, classes, abilities, etc. The experiences of gay men of color are far different from the experience of white gay men. These programs ignore this greatly. No program focuses on the struggles of the developing a gay identity more than a brief episode, and for many a program devoted to identity development would be of great help to cope during adolescence.

    We need more accurate depictions. Yes we have role models on television now. That is a major success. But are these the role models we want?


    You pretty much summed it up. I appreciate that today's generation has more gay role models on television than I did. Hell I appreciate there are more black role models than I did. But I find it annoying rarely do the two reach out and touch. There is a reason why homosexuality is seen as a white man's thing. I was literally told when I came out that being gay was something white men did and that wasn't something 'the Lord' gave to black people. You'd be surprised at how many African American youths believe some variant of this.

    And way too many young men see being gay as a threat to their masculinity. Growing up even though I knew I had gay desires I didn't see myself as gay because I didn't see a gay image that matched me. Of course there's not gonna be an image that fits everyone but as a kid I wasn't super masculine but I wasn't super fem either. I'm still not. I go through phases and moods where I may feel like either or but I'm never too far to the extreme. I paint my nails and I paint all my stuff in bright colors with hearts and rainbows yet I work out all the time, watch Basketball, find most mixed drinks to be needlessly complicated, think shoes are purely utilitarian. There's also some people who are super feminine but aren't bitchy at and probably some of the warmest sweetest people you'll ever meet. Again there's different shades and our media doesn't make enough effort to show this.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    MashogaNubianPrince said
    I don't care about the political BS they try to incorporate. But as a gay man I'm offended that they always write the gay characters to reinforce a very narrow stereotype of over the top effeminate bitchy drama queens. It also annoys me that they hire str8 actors to play the gay characters. I cringe everytime i see Cam do his schtick on modern family It's like watching a white guy do blackface.

    Ya I get it, it's comedy and it's the cheap and easy laugh, but it's demeaning.


    Yeah, because CLEARLY only gay actors should play gay characters and Neil Patrick Harris as a gay man has no business playing one of the most hilarious straight characters on TV. *eye roll*

    I disagree with your characterization that, at least in the case of Modern Family, that Cam and Mitch are characters that are over the top effeminate and stereotypical. Yes, of course, they have some effeminate moments and traits--MOST PEOPLE DO. Even straight guys. But they also go to great lengths to point out that Cam played football, worked on the farm, built things with "masculine" power tools, etc.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    lulz, homos in here mad about them all being "bitchy queens"

    issues much?
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:20 PM GMT
    running11 saidModern Family is hilarious. Hands down.


    I dunno, modern family always goes for the lowest common denominator, broadest based , easiest to process comedy. You can always see the joke coming a mile away. Honestly, I feel like if i turned the show off 7 min in , I could write the rest of the show. I just want comedy that's smarter than that.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
    running11 saidModern Family is hilarious. Hands down.

    The New Normal is a weekly PSA for gay rights... tried watching it because I heard it was going to be hilarious and was very disappointed. Honestly is it even still playing? I thought they axed it halfway through or something?


    Modern Family is hilarious. Claire, Gloria, and sometimes Cam are my favorite characters. Claire is a boss because she resembles my mom the most. She is so over the top. Gloria's temper is awesome, she freaks out at everything!

    Haven't seen The New Normal yet. That is on my list.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    demeaning? lulz, i can't

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    Feb 11, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
    dalwriter saidI stay away from anything Ryan Murphy has a hand in.

    Modern Family is well plotted and increasingly populated by characters I want to punch in the face.


    I pretty much stay away from the idiot box in general. My BF is of the TV generation and can't seem to extricate himself from it. So much wasted time.
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
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    running11 saidModern Family is hilarious. Hands down.


    I dunno, modern family always goes for the lowest common denominator, broadest based , easiest to process comedy. You can always see the joke coming a mile away. Honestly, I feel like if i turned the show off 7 min in , I could write the rest of the show. I just want comedy that's smarter than that.


    I just think it's relatable to my family and my friends families icon_smile.gif Sometimes mind numbing comedy can be the best icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 11, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said

    I pretty much stay away from the idiot box in general. My BF is of the TV generation and can't seem to extricate himself from it. So much wasted time.


    Does that create conflict in your relationship? Sometimes I think films, tv, theater, broadcast sports, are all useless. I'd rather be doing it than watching.