McCAIN ABANDONS MICHIGAN: The Key States Begin To Swing OBAMA

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 03, 2008 12:16 PM GMT
    While some of the polls seem a little unbelievable (like the one in Pennsylvania with Obama up 15 points), the trend shows Obama making big gains...... largely because of the "performance" of McCain with the
    economic crisis. Will this continue? Is the end for McCain?
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    Oct 03, 2008 3:28 PM GMT
    I think Michigan will still go for McCain. While unions do have a major influence there, racism is the unspoken underlying issue. If you've ever been to Detroit you will know what I mean. Most White Michiganders really hate the politics in Detroit. That will be a factor in Obama's standing there.



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    Oct 03, 2008 3:30 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI think Michigan will still go for McCain. While unions do have a major influence there, racism is the unspoken underlying issue. If you've ever been to Detroit you will know what I mean. Most White Michiganders really hate the politics in Detroit. That will be a factor in Obama's standing there.





    I've been to Detroit.... and I wouldn't expect you to have any different comment than the one you made...LOL
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    Oct 03, 2008 3:40 PM GMT

    I live in Ann Arbor, just outside of Detroit.
    McCain signs are rare. Not just in the student ghettos, but also in well established neighborhoods (that two houses in a row had them was worthy of comment).
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    Oct 03, 2008 5:01 PM GMT
    Also in Ann Arbor (commie-pinko-fag-tree-hugging-birkenstock-wearing-homeless-loving-greenspace-voting-uber-liberal town and proud of it) and rarely see McCain signs.

    Though I did see a McCain bumpersticker on a Prius downtown last Friday night-- that stopped my entire group of friends mid-walk to the gay bar to stare in abject wonderment.

    Went on a homes tour in Detroit last weekend -- Detroit proper, not the burbs, but plenty of nice, well kept single-family houses. Saw one McCain sign. Saw uncountable (i.e. hundreds) Obama signs.

    Was up in Flint last week and saw only a few McCain signs and again, tons of Obama signs.

    Can't speak for the west side of the state (which tends to be the more red-state part), but at least in south east michigan, it's pretty firmly Obama.

    Gerry
  • GQjock

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    Oct 03, 2008 6:13 PM GMT
    Let's just hope this trend stays the same until November
    ... and people keep reminding themselves of the clusterf**k the republicans have left us with
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    Oct 03, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    aagerry saidThough I did see a McCain bumpersticker on a Prius downtown last Friday night-- that stopped my entire group of friends mid-walk to the gay bar to stare in abject wonderment.


    The thing that distinguishes Michiganders from Ohioans is a sense of humour ;-)
  • Koaa2

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    Oct 03, 2008 8:26 PM GMT
    I think it was pretty clear last night, why we need Obama/Biden. Hopefully the mainstream public will continue to see and understand what a disaster the Republican party has been to the country and to each of us as individuals. I think the Repugs should all move to Alaska, because it seems like such a wonderful place according to Post Turtle!
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    Oct 03, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    John McCain has not once this election cycle lead in polling average in Michigan. I think it is a wise move to get out of there and do damage control in some other states. But the thing I don't understand is why Virginia? I know Virginia has been going back and forth between the two of them, but the last two weeks has shown Obama with a near ten point lead.

    A better use of this resource would be Ohio, Florida, and Colorado. OH and VA both are worth more in the electoral college, and all three have been closer to the tipping point than VA. But then, McCain hasn't been running a very sophisticated campaign so far. Which, for my Republican friends, is a criticism of his campaign staff and not him.
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    Oct 03, 2008 8:43 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidJohn McCain has not once this election cycle lead in polling average in Michigan. I think it is a wise move to get out of there and do damage control in some other states. But the thing I don't understand is why Virginia? I know Virginia has been going back and forth between the two of them, but the last two weeks has shown Obama with a near ten point lead.

    A better use of this resource would be Ohio, Florida, and Colorado. OH and VA both are worth more in the electoral college, and all three have been closer to the tipping point than VA. But then, McCain hasn't been running a very sophisticated campaign so far. Which, for my Republican friends, is a criticism of his campaign staff and not him.


    Are Zombies even allowed to vote? I thought we'd had problems with Republicans drumming up dead people to take swing states in the past. I shall be standing outside the polling booths with cloves of garlic and silver! ;-)
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    Oct 03, 2008 8:50 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidAre Zombies even allowed to vote? I thought we'd had problems with Republicans drumming up dead people to take swing states in the past. I shall be standing outside the polling booths with cloves of garlic and silver! ;-)


    Zombies are allowed to vote, and we vote for Tilden!

    You sir are prepared for vampires and werecreatures. Which is good, as they are not legally able to vote.
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    Oct 03, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    Michigan was never a key state for McCain. It went to Kerry in 04. McCain sought to make inroads there as early internals had shown he might stand a chance in keeping it competitive. Reality probably set in more than a week ago that it wasn't worth the investment if the result would have been just keeping O's margin of win down in the State. Smart tactical move for the McCain camp actually and not the over exaggerated "concession" the media is playing it up to be. Notice no mention of Obama concessions as he packed it up in red states his campaign boasted earlier of turning purple. Margin of error on national polls has O winning by 3 to 5 points. That seems reasonable although hardly the spread he should be up by considering all the factors working against McCain and his republicans this year.
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    Oct 05, 2008 10:51 AM GMT
    caesarea4 said; "I live in Ann Arbor, just outside of Detroit.
    McCain signs are rare. Not just in the student ghettos, but also in well established neighborhoods (that two houses in a row had them was worthy of comment)."


    The same was true of Toledo, I thought I had the only "Veterans for McCain" yard sign in the whole town. Today I picked up my BF for a trip to the UT Planetarium for a show and noticed "McCain/Palin" yard signs springing up all over the town.
    When I got my "Veterans for McCain" yard sign I had an extra "McCain" yard sign I got during the primaries. A neighbor of mine, a veteran of the Navy approached me and told me it was good to see a fellow Republican in our neighborhood. Most of my neighbors are very artistic with a lot of gay and lesbian representation and some professors from UT and BGSU and supporters of Obama. We have a lot of Obama yard signs.

    The hood is just one street away with plenty of crack houses and teenage black girls selling themselves on the street. On a clear summer night one can hear the popping sounds of the crack dealers working out their market share. I gave my Republican neighbor my extra yard sign but he doesn't display it for fear of attack.

    I just bought a couple of extra boxes of shotgun shells and display my sign proudly. Another neighbor a few houses up has a McCain/Palin yard sign he must have put up last night. He's a vet of the 101st Airborne. Lucas county may just go Red this year.

    Any changes in Ann Arbor?




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    MunchingZombie said
    TigerTim saidAre Zombies even allowed to vote? I thought we'd had problems with Republicans drumming up dead people to take swing states in the past. I shall be standing outside the polling booths with cloves of garlic and silver! ;-)


    Zombies are allowed to vote, and we vote for Tilden!

    You sir are prepared for vampires and werecreatures. Which is good, as they are not legally able to vote.


    Bill Tilden? The guy that lost to Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876? icon_eek.gif

    There are whispers now of an Obama landslide. I don't pay attention to whispers. Two weeks ago it looked like the Canadian Conservative party was heading for a clear majority. Now we might back to square one with a minority. Another $275 million well spent. icon_twisted.gif

    I think it is a Republican conspiracy to throw this election knowing that winning it is equivalent to being the Captain of the RMS Titanic. 2012 is where it is at, 2008 is cursed.
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    Oct 05, 2008 6:30 PM GMT
    An interesting anecdote: A friend of mine in Oberlin, OH went to hear Newt Gingrich speak last week (or maybe the week before). She said he told the crowd he expected a decisive victory for one of the candidates, but that it was too soon to say who it would be.
  • Musclebucket

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    Oct 05, 2008 7:01 PM GMT
    TO John;

    MIchigan is a blue state; Ohio is a red state. Toledo is in Ohio.
    You don't really know what's going on in our state. Your generalizations about the "White People" of Michigan couldn't be further from reailty.
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    Oct 05, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    Are Zombies even allowed to vote? I thought we'd had problems with Republicans drumming up dead people to take swing states in the past. I shall be standing outside the polling booths with cloves of garlic and silver! ;-)

    I believe zombie voting is a possible as the right to vote is not technically only extended to the living or released at death. This possibility and its consequences have been featured in a sure-to-be-classic.
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    Oct 05, 2008 8:31 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth said
    TigerTim said
    Are Zombies even allowed to vote? I thought we'd had problems with Republicans drumming up dead people to take swing states in the past. I shall be standing outside the polling booths with cloves of garlic and silver! ;-)

    I believe zombie voting is a possible as the right to vote is not technically only extended to the living or released at death. This possibility and its consequences have been featured in a sure-to-be-classic.


    Wow. You think you've seen everything and then bam, Zombie satire of botched elections. Thanks for expanding my consciousness.
  • PaMedic

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    Oct 05, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    Being from PA I know that the unions are working very hard for Obama. We feel that he understands the issues and will give the change that the country needs. We just cannot stop working and have to get people out to vote. The poles are looking good for Obama here but if people do not get out and vote the change will not happen.
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    NickoftheNorth saidI believe zombie voting is a possible as the right to vote is not technically only extended to the living or released at death. This possibility and its consequences have been featured in a sure-to-be-classic.


    When the voting booths of hell are full the dead shall poll the earth!

    That went to the top of my netflix queue. Thanks for posting info about it.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 07, 2008 12:32 PM GMT
    Well certainly the last two debates will go a long way in cementing the remainder of the race. Should be interesting.