Fasting for good health

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    Feb 13, 2013 12:17 PM GMT
    Hi guys, I'm considering to do fasting for 1 day, once every week...which involves not to eat & drink for 24hrs except water...

    As a doctor myself, I know many benefits of Fasting & Caloric restriction...for ex: It reduces the risk of cancer, reduces Diabetes & makes people more active(both mentally and physically) & many more...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

    Is anyone else is doing or planing to go fasting?
    If yes...share your experiences
    give your thoughts & opinions..

    Note: I'm not at all talking about spiritual fasting, it's Fasting for good health...though the only difference is religious beliefs.
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    Feb 13, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    I'm not a fan of restricting essential nutrients from your body.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 13, 2013 3:07 PM GMT
    CuriousOne saidI'm not a fan of restricting essential nutrients from your body.


    Agreed. Why not just portion appropriately in the first place?
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    Absolute silliness. Weight bearing exercise will lower AC-1 / A1C way more than fasting, and...as a doctor..YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT. In fact, you should know that calorie restriction encourages the feast famine response and that you burn up valuable protein / muscle without the presence of calories, which ultimately lowers your metabolic rate and lean body mass teaching your body to be a fat storing machine. There are better ways to improve nutrient partitioning.
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    Why don't you just do an intermitting fasting..?
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
    Mrap saidWhy don't you just do an intermitting fasting..?


    Wouldn't one day a week be intermittent?
  • BeNiHiKoU

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    Feb 13, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
    I still don't get why so many people seem to assimilate 'fasting' with 'starvation'...icon_lol.gificon_rolleyes.gif Actually, done properly, fasting will do you wonders!... I stumbled upon this web site (http://www.allaboutfasting.com) about 4 years ago and since then, incorporating fasting in my life has been a real epiphany. The good thing is that they are many different types of fasting!

    On a biweekly basis, I often fast for at least 12 hrs - by trying to restrict my food intake between noon and 6:00 pm every other 3rd day - but I still drink some hot water. For the rest of the days in the week, I sometimes throw in a fruit fast - I LUV fruits!! And if I don't feel like actual fasting, I still refrain from eating solid food before noon - just 2 cups of hot water and 5 fruits...icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    CuriousOne saidI'm not a fan of restricting essential nutrients from your body.


    Fasting a day doesn't effect our essential nutrients...
    Almost all Essential nutrients will not run out over a single day...

    people can go fasting, unless they have some kinda illness...for ex: hypoglycaemia(glucose doesn't come under essential nutrients)
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAbsolute silliness. Weight bearing exercise will lower AC-1 / A1C way more than fasting, and...as a doctor..YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT. In fact, you should know that calorie restriction encourages the feast famine response and that you burn up valuable protein / muscle without the presence of calories, which ultimately lowers your metabolic rate and lean body mass teaching your body to be a fat storing machine. There are better ways to improve nutrient partitioning.


    Well, I'm talking about Fasting...not starvation...
    What you say is likely seen in people who are starving for many days...not for people who undergo fasting...
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    Feb 13, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    Mrap saidWhy don't you just do an intermitting fasting..?


    In fact, I'm on fast today & this is 2nd time...
    The 1st time I did, I felt very active on the following days...
    & I thought of continue doing it every Wed.

    I posted here because, I just want to know whether anyone is practicing Fasting!
    many people know about diet, exercise, body building etc.,. But very few know about fasting...
  • BeNiHiKoU

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    Feb 13, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
    There's a saying in my mother's tribe - 'the feeling of hunger often is just a craving' - by which she trained my siblings and I not to give into the 'craving' by wolfing down our food. She would just suggest that we drank warm water and occupy our mind with something useful until lunch/diner time.
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    Feb 13, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    BeNiHiKoU saidThere's a saying in my mother's tribe - 'the feeling of hunger often is a just craving' - by which she trained my siblings and I not to give into the 'craving' by wolfing down our food. She would just suggest that we drank warm water and occupy our mind with something useful until lunch/diner time.


    Good one...I really appreciate your mother icon_smile.gif

    Many people don't go fasting because, they can't control their desires but let their desires control them to seek pleasure.
    & one of the benefits of fasting is that we can train our mind to control our desires...
  • Medjai

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    Feb 13, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    Harry7785 said
    chuckystud saidAbsolute silliness. Weight bearing exercise will lower AC-1 / A1C way more than fasting, and...as a doctor..YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT. In fact, you should know that calorie restriction encourages the feast famine response and that you burn up valuable protein / muscle without the presence of calories, which ultimately lowers your metabolic rate and lean body mass teaching your body to be a fat storing machine. There are better ways to improve nutrient partitioning.


    Well, I'm talking about Fasting...not starvation...
    What you say is likely seen is people who are starving for many days...not for people who undergo fasting...


    It starts with a single day. Hunger is your body's way of saying it needs something. Someone who uses sources other than Wikipedia for health and diet would know that.
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    Feb 13, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    Harry7785 said
    Mrap saidWhy don't you just do an intermitting fasting..?


    In fact, I'm on fast today & this is 2nd time...
    The 1st time I did, I felt very active on the following days...
    & I thought of continue doing it every Wed.

    I posted here because, I just want to know whether anyone is practicing Fasting!
    many people know about diet, exercise, body building etc.,. But very few know about fasting...


    I know a few things about fasting.. I used intermitting fasting to lower my body fat percentage, but really you shouldn't fast an entire day. Most people go through a fast when they're asleep.. You can simply extend that by not eating breakfast and then you've already fasted for 16+ hours depending on when you eat after breakfast.
  • MikeW

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    Feb 13, 2013 6:52 PM GMT
    I have tried intermittent 24hr fasting a few times. It is very difficult for me and I find myself getting even more irritable than I normally am lol. So it doesn't seem to work for me.

    What does seem to work for me, however, is shorter term, on-going fasting. Most of the time I do my workouts in the early afternoon. About a half hour before I get in the weigh room I eat several teaspoons full of a banana mush I make: 1 very ripe banana smushed up with 2 scoops of protein isolate, a tablespoon of BCAAs and 1 Tbs of a nut butter (either peanut or raw almond). Immediately after my workout I eat the remaining banana smush and once I'm showered and dressed I down a recovery protein shake. An hour or so later, usually around 2pm I have my first meal, a salad with lots of protein.

    Later, usually around 6 or 7, I'll have another full meal. The size and type of meal will depend on whether it was a workout day. On workout days there will be more starchy carbs (rice or potatoes, etc., no wheat). An hour or so after that I'll either have a protein bar or a protein shake.

    Right now though I'm attending a workout class that requires I be at the gym at 8am two days a week. I do the same routine as above only earlier and stop eating around 6 or so. Since I sometimes do double workouts on these days (morning and afternoon with aerobics after that), my last meal of the day tends to be quite large. If it was a particularly heavy lifting day, I'll have a casein protein shake about an hour before I go to bed.

    By doing this kind of thing I've trained my body to eat less overall. Most Americans consume WAY more calories than they need and the result is fat gain. I'd gotten up to 250lbs. Currently I'm at a solid 190 with approximately 10 to 20 lbs of fat yet to loose. I'd gotten down to 177 but over the past several months I've had a muscle growth spurt which is at least part of why the weight has gone up. Haven't gained much fat and I know this because my waist size has remained the same, actually decreased a bit. My extremities are now where I want them to be. What's left is visceral and subcutaneous fat deposits around my abdomen. I'm beginning to see the top tier of my abs but I still have a protruding belly due to the visceral fat content.

    Chucky has suggested this eating style ought to be limiting my energy level but it hasn't. I'm very active for someone my age. As well as my three to four day a week workouts and twice a week aerobics, I walk 2 to 5 miles every day and I walk briskly. My body is shaping up nicely, despite having never concentrated on working out ever before, and actually looks 10 to 15 years younger than it is. (Can't say the same for the face, lol!) I feel good, happy, focused, motivated and am getting results. Slower than I'd get if I were 40 years younger but results nevertheless.

    SO... What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another. Anabolism and catabolism are complex cycles. There's also the question of how long it takes to digest foods taken into the system. On one hand we need to push our bodies to demand anabolic adaptation through maximum overload while also allowing enough rest and nutrition for full recovery, at least intermittently. I take breaks from iron lifting and aerobics three times a year, anywhere from two weeks to a month off. During this time I only walk, do limbering/stretching exercises and reduce my calories accordingly. This "time off" is the hardest for me, actually, because I miss the endorphin rush.
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    Feb 13, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
    BeNiHiKoU saidThere's a saying in my mother's tribe - 'the feeling of hunger often is a just a craving' - by which she trained my siblings and I not to give into the 'craving' by wolfing down our food. She would just suggest that we drank warm water and occupy our mind with something useful until lunch/diner time.


    Water helps to moderate low blood sugar levels..... Nonetheless, hungry means you need to eat.

    Your Mom's culture is wrong, forcing you to eat too late in the day, when you're ravished. It's a real issue in some cultures.

    Here's how you SHOULD eat: breakfast like a king, dinner like a prince, supper like a pauper...unless you just worked out, in which case you need to carb and protein load.
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    Feb 13, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    MikeW saidI have tried .....rush.


    People don't get fat just because of excess calories. They get fat because they eat too infrequently; eat at the wrong times; don't understand the insulin response; eat too few calories; fail to exercise; metabolic syndrome introduced by lack of activity; metabolic syndrome introduced by lack of calories; eat the wrong foods and mess up their insulin sensitivity (type 2 diabetes); fail to do weight bearing exercise (increases insulin sensitivity and improves A1C getting those sugar crystals metabolized.)

    Read up on ketosis, glucose tolerance, and insulin blood sugar curves, to further your understanding of these processes.

    By eating small meals, more often, and being very active, you IMPROVE your nutrient partitioning. The feast famine cycle DOES NOT do that. In fact, it encourages the famine response...which means...store fat.

    With regard to digestion...bulk, and water...keeps stuff moving through...when you don't eat, it sits in there, and rots....goes septic.
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    Feb 13, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
    Harry7785 saidHi guys, I'm considering to do fasting for 1 day, once every week...which involves not to eat & drink for 24hrs except water...

    As a doctor myself, I know many benefits of Fasting & Caloric restriction...for ex: It reduces the risk of cancer, reduces Diabetes & makes people more active(both mentally and physically) & many more...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_fasting

    Is anyone else is doing or planing to go fasting?
    If yes...share your experiences
    give your thoughts & opinions..

    Note: I'm not at all talking about spiritual fasting, it's Fasting for good health...though the only difference is religious beliefs.


    Prey 'tel, you're not a M.D. quoting Wikipedia, are you?

    Even douches bags like me use sources beyond Wikipedia.

    E.g. I get the newsletter every morning from theheart.org, and several other sites.
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    Feb 13, 2013 7:54 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Prey 'tel, you're not a M.D. quoting Wikipedia, are you?

    Even douches bags like me use sources beyond Wikipedia.

    E.g. I get the newsletter every morning from theheart.org, and several other sites.


    Has anyone else actually taken the time to consider how truly disgusting it is to call someone a douche bag?
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    Feb 13, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Mrap saidWhy don't you just do an intermitting fasting..?


    Wouldn't one day a week be intermittent?


    It is, but if he wants to do intermitting fasting for a longer period without starving himself, he could just fast from the time he had dinner to the moment he had lunch.
  • MikeW

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    Feb 13, 2013 8:30 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said...Hunger is not always indicative of the need to consume food. People who perpetually spike their insulin will typically always be hungry. Hence, their never ending need to overindulge when it comes eating; resulting in unwanted fat weight gain. ...
    Your body is like a clock. You can reset that clock to function how you want. Most of us are eating well beyond our minimum caloric requirements to quell our vain desires for a bigger, more muscly body.

    This is my experience.

    I initially tried going the "six small meals a day" route. It doesn't work for me because a): It is a pain in the butt to prepare and transport (I walk everywhere, gym work, etc.) that many meals. I'm away from the house a lot even on my days off. And eating out means I don't control the quality of my food. But, most importantly for ME is b): A small meal just makes me want to eat MORE. I feel hungrier and more deprived eating a few small meals than I do going for long periods without eating and then eating large meals.

    YMMV.
  • BeNiHiKoU

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    Feb 13, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Your Mom's culture is wrong, forcing you to eat too late in the day, when you're ravished. It's a real issue in some cultures.

    Here's how you SHOULD eat: breakfast like a king, dinner like a prince, supper like a pauper...unless you just worked out, in which case you need to carb and protein load.


    Hummm... No thanks, I'll pass... I fear I might end up looking like you and that would terribly afflict me...icon_cry.gif
    As I wrote, my mother just suggested - you wrongfully understood that her culture was forcing it on us. We tried to be obedient and to trust her - but not always 100%...icon_lol.gif
    I'm sure that fasting, just like working out, is not for everyone. But for those willing to give it a try and to undergo the physical as well as spiritual challenges, there's a lot to be gained... icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 13, 2013 10:58 PM GMT
    I seldom fast for more than 12 hours at a time...and only out of convenience, because sometimes I get really busy at work. when I know that's going to happen, I eat a "fucking huge breakfast" (my own version of McDonald's 'Big Breakfast'), then a medium-but-high-protein dinner.
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    Feb 14, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
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    Harry7785 said
    chuckystud saidAbsolute silliness. Weight bearing exercise will lower AC-1 / A1C way more than fasting, and...as a doctor..YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THAT. In fact, you should know that calorie restriction encourages the feast famine response and that you burn up valuable protein / muscle without the presence of calories, which ultimately lowers your metabolic rate and lean body mass teaching your body to be a fat storing machine. There are better ways to improve nutrient partitioning.


    Well, I'm talking about Fasting...not starvation...
    What you say is likely seen is people who are starving for many days...not for people who undergo fasting...


    It starts with a single day. Hunger is your body's way of saying it needs something. Someone who uses sources other than Wikipedia for health and diet would know that.


    It starts & ends with a single day...
    lol Wikipedia! I just put it there not because I use it for information, but for people who don't know about it!
  • Zinc

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    Feb 14, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
    I fast every night. icon_razz.gif