Associated Press Decides Married Same-Sex Couples Aren't Really Married

  • metta

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    Feb 14, 2013 2:35 AM GMT
    Associated Press Decides Married Same-Sex Couples Aren't Really Married

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-becker/associated-press-married-same-sex-couples_b_2672997.html
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    Feb 14, 2013 2:47 AM GMT
    That's because if they considered them really married, they'd be required to feel guilty for fucking them when their wives are out of town.
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    Feb 15, 2013 1:01 PM GMT
    Why would anybody mind this?
    As long as same sex marriage is allowed, and same rights are given to same sex couples, who care about stupid wording?
    I think we are over-reacting.
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    Feb 15, 2013 2:15 PM GMT
    John BeckerWhen my husband Michael and I were legally married almost seven years ago, we were married as husband and husband. Thousands of other same-sex couples around the world are married under these same words, or as wife and wife. Describing these relationships in any other way isn't just legally inaccurate; it's offensive and deeply disrespectful. It denigrates the love couples like us share and tells us that our marriages are somehow unworthy of the term, inherently unequal and intrinsically less valuable than those of our straight counterparts. It reinforces the still-powerful cultural taboos surrounding LGBT people and our relationships. It implies that honesty about the nature and definition of our legal marriages is less important than making concessions to the prejudice of others. And it will not be tolerated.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Michael is my husband. Get it right.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-becker/associated-press-married-same-sex-couples_b_2672997.html

    The word 'husband' is the conjugate of the word 'wife', and I would not describe my spouse as my 'husband'.

    There is probably no legal precedent and thus no terminology for same-sex marriage; is Associated Press to blame for this?

    Yes, this is an over-reaction and the wording would be better left grey until the specific terms evolve on their own, in their own time and without social engineering.
  • Menergy_1

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    Feb 15, 2013 2:28 PM GMT
    Perhaps "spouse" works in all cases then - since in English (at least) there is no gender to the noun, it's all in relation to the two betrothed partners in their relationship. In French or Italian versions of "spouse" (from Latin sponsus and sponsa) it's assigned gender, but in English a spouse would be either person in the civil marriage contract.

    Of course, legally in the USA things get stickier then, since DOMA and other federal (and probably state) laws and regulations define "spouse" as husband or wife in so many stipulations and legal provisions (or denials...)


    Usage will take time to work out comfortably in society.
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    Feb 15, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
    I think the word "spouse" will work well

    I have no prblem with husband/husband or wfe/wife coupling.

    Please enlighten me re the conjugate situation of the words "husband" and "wife."
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    Feb 15, 2013 11:06 PM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidI think the word "spouse" will work well

    I have no prblem with husband/husband or wfe/wife coupling.

    [quote]Please enlighten me re the conjugate situation of the words "husband" and "wife."


    A husband is a married man considered in relation to his wife. It also has related definitions of 'male head of household' and 'manager', which is perhaps why I would dislike calling my spouse my 'husband'. He would just not have that status over and above me, nor I him.

    A wife is married woman considered in relation to her husband, etymologically, but it simply means 'woman'.

    Spouse works far better than partner, as it describes the marital commitment, yet, it does not specify gender, which would be useful.

    There has been a suggestion that same-sex marriage for men could be called 'enfrerement', which I would be quite happy with.

    some dude somewhereEnfrerement, a medieval French-Catholic tradition of giving two men the legal rights of marriage with an additional religious mandate. "Marriage" in French literally meant "to make a bride" and would thus require the involvement of a woman. In this sense, it's altogether likely that two woman could get married, but since women never had any legal mandate in ye olden dayes, well...


    http://www.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/12/18/mayor-of-dc-signs-gay-marriage-bill&view=comments

    The word "enfrerement" has popped up a few times, and the etymology is important; there is also a suggestion by the etymology that women can make brides of one another and thus marry. If men could enter into an enfrerement, an embrotherment, I would prefer that to marriage.

    As there is so much debate, I would rather stick with the Civil Partnership that I know and refer to it as being whatever seems most appropriate at the time.

    I would really feel emasculated in calling my spouse my husband. icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 15, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
    Associated press own the Daily Mail which amongst many other incidents printed the infamous Jan Moir article about a gay pop singer pretty much as soon as he died:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1220756/A-strange-lonely-troubling-death--.html