Why Wrestle is kicked out from Olympic Game?

  • Leon

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    Feb 14, 2013 12:30 PM GMT
    just view a gay wrestle performance from a porn site, and find that this sport could be so sexy and hot for the first time.

    so i'm absolutely sure that the guys who decided to kick out this historic item from Olympic Game must be homo-phobia. what a shameicon_cry.gif
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    Feb 14, 2013 2:18 PM GMT
    I'm not sure it's that simple. Wrestling's inclusion/exclusion was put before an international committee for a vote, and I'm sure some (if not many) of those who voted thought they were doing the right thing. However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc. Some gay people (here and elsewhere) think that wearing a singlet they purchased on-line makes them a wrestler. I'm not judging, and people are free to do what they want within reason, but I wish there's less fetishizing; and more support and respect for this great sport of amateur wrestling.
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    Feb 14, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
    so they have some stupid ribbon dancing thing, BMX biking,and synchronized swimming but wrestling one of the original sports that is very popular across the world...especially in high schools in the US is dropped. Just proves the stupidity of the people running the Olympics
  • calibro

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    Feb 14, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    it has to due with the white european countries not liking it. duh.
  • FitGwynedd

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    Feb 14, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
    calibro saidit has to due with the white european countries not liking it. duh.


    Freestyle all time medals top 8

    USSR
    USA
    Iran
    Russia
    Turkey
    Sweden
    Finland
    Bulgaria

    Greco-Roman all time medals top 8

    USSR
    Finland
    Sweden
    Hungary
    Bulgaria
    Romania
    Turkey
    Poland

    White Europeans like it and are quite good at it, its the asian countries that are terrible at it and had it removed.
  • irishkcguy

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    Feb 14, 2013 3:58 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI'm not sure it's that simple. Wrestling's inclusion/exclusion was put before an international committee for a vote, and I'm sure some (if not many) of those who voted thought they were doing the right thing. However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc. Some gay people (here and elsewhere) think that wearing a singlet they purchased on-line makes them a wrestler. I'm not judging, and people are free to do what they want within reason, but I wish there's less fetishizing; and more support and respect for this great sport of amateur wrestling.


    "However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc." Well said! It's not just insulting, it's embarrassing. I have a wrestling and football background and I coached high school wrestling for ten years. We had a very difficult time getting kids to be on the wrestling team because of the "it's just two guys rolling around with each other" stigma. People frequently contact me on this site asking me to come wrestle them. I chalk that up to ignorance. They can't possibly know how insulting that is and how much they're degrading a great sport.
  • irishkcguy

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    Feb 14, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    jerseywoof saidso they have some stupid ribbon dancing thing, BMX biking,and synchronized swimming but wrestling one of the original sports that is very popular across the world...especially in high schools in the US is dropped. Just proves the stupidity of the people running the Olympics


    When the IOC started openly courting pro athletes (the Dream Team in basketball), the credibility of the Games went out the window. The wrestling decision is stupid but it's not surprising.
  • calibro

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    Feb 14, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    FitGwynedd said
    calibro saidit has to due with the white european countries not liking it. duh.


    Freestyle all time medals top 8

    USSR
    USA
    Iran
    Russia
    Turkey
    Sweden
    Finland
    Bulgaria

    Greco-Roman all time medals top 8

    USSR
    Finland
    Sweden
    Hungary
    Bulgaria
    Romania
    Turkey
    Poland

    White Europeans like it and are quite good at it, its the asian countries that are terrible at it and had it removed.


    to the ioc, white european countries mean uk, france, germany, and italy with spain, belguim, luxemburg, and switzerland as voting allies. eastern europe and northern europe don't count. you should be pretty aware of that by now.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 15, 2013 12:28 AM GMT
    People, stop being stupid with these posts. It is not about race. It is not about homophobia. It was about a lobbying effort to save some sports that were on the chopping block and wrestling didn't think it was going to be them. But there's more. That vote is not the final vote. There is a final vote some time in October.

    Google for more information, and grow up. icon_rolleyes.gif

  • Feb 15, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
    Let me also add that modern pentathlon, taekwondo and field hockey were also considered to be dropped and the IOC board (every meeting) uses a rating criteria system to determine what sports should be in or out. This process happens all the time. That criteria system looks at TV ratings, game ticket sales, who participates globally in the sport - even anti-doping policies of the various governing bodies.

    Will there be some subjective bias in the vote - of course, the board is made up of humans. But in the end we can only conclude that they reached some of the same conclusions that were reached in 2005 when baseball and softball was taken out of the Olympics ( and that's why you didn't see any baseball in last year's summer Olympics and you won't see it in 2016 either).

    Until they make their reasons public, we will never be privy to all of the facts and info that influence their decision. But racism and homophobia is not the reason (IMHO - this time). And they are allowed to vote it back in for the future - the decision is not final.

    Thomas
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    Feb 15, 2013 12:57 AM GMT
    Coach Vladimir Uruimagov knows why!

    Gay Activists Blamed for Wrestling’s Olympic Axe

    http://en.rsport.ru/olympics/20130212/644903540.html


    Yeah, it's NOT Homophobia! It's Homophilia! icon_lol.gif

  • Feb 15, 2013 1:05 AM GMT
    I can guarantee you that Coach Vladimir Uruimagov (a coach in one of the most homophobic countries in Eastern Europe) had no influence on the IOC's decision.

    I hope (and I take it) you are kidding and not giving credence to this article to support some type of racism claim. icon_surprised.gif
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    Feb 15, 2013 1:05 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI'm not sure it's that simple. Wrestling's inclusion/exclusion was put before an international committee for a vote, and I'm sure some (if not many) of those who voted thought they were doing the right thing. However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc. Some gay people (here and elsewhere) think that wearing a singlet they purchased on-line makes them a wrestler. I'm not judging, and people are free to do what they want within reason, but I wish there's less fetishizing; and more support and respect for this great sport of amateur wrestling.


    Wrestling, competitively, is very much athletic, requiring a bunch of skills. I'm really surprised they took it out of the Olympics. It's one of the very sports that started the Olympics and dates back to the beginning of human history.

    Folks that fetsihize wrestling, I think, are a bit creepy. While I have singlet on in my picture, I make no claims to be a wrestler, and they're great for lifting, and many lifters use them, plus...I look real good in one :-) A picture of a fat guy in a skimpy singlet really is NOT erotic...to me. A picture of a beef cake wrestler or lifter in a singlet is about as male as male gets...to me.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 15, 2013 1:15 AM GMT
    How can it not be fetishized?

    wrestling0237656mg8.jpg
  • MixedJock91

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    Feb 15, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    wahhhhhhhh :'( ...you guys act like it comes on every year
  • barriehomeboy

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    Feb 15, 2013 1:37 AM GMT
    Um. The Greeks did it nude.
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    Feb 15, 2013 1:47 AM GMT
    Medjai saidHow can it not be fetishized?

    wrestling0237656mg8.jpg


    I suppose...if you like butt sweat...different strokes for different folks.

    Looks to me like the guy is getting his ass handed to him..no pun intended.
  • Whipmagic

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    Feb 15, 2013 2:02 AM GMT
    irishkcguy said
    DOMINUS saidI'm not sure it's that simple. Wrestling's inclusion/exclusion was put before an international committee for a vote, and I'm sure some (if not many) of those who voted thought they were doing the right thing. However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc. Some gay people (here and elsewhere) think that wearing a singlet they purchased on-line makes them a wrestler. I'm not judging, and people are free to do what they want within reason, but I wish there's less fetishizing; and more support and respect for this great sport of amateur wrestling.


    "However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc." Well said! It's not just insulting, it's embarrassing. I have a wrestling and football background and I coached high school wrestling for ten years. We had a very difficult time getting kids to be on the wrestling team because of the "it's just two guys rolling around with each other" stigma. People frequently contact me on this site asking me to come wrestle them. I chalk that up to ignorance. They can't possibly know how insulting that is and how much they're degrading a great sport.


    I have and still am participating in sports that lend themselves to fetishization. And I have used some of the gear in the bedrooom. But the two experiences are vastly different. For me, there is nothing erotic on my mind when I'm on the mat or the field, it's all athletic competition. In the bedroom, on the other hand, competition and winning is the last thing on my mind. So, for me, context is everything. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a way get this across to the general public - the pictures just look too much alike. And that gives rise to all those homophobic fears in sports whose attributes can also have erotic connotations in a different context. Which is sad, but I don't know of a good solution of this conundrum.
  • stratavos

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    Feb 15, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
    DOMINUS saidI'm not sure it's that simple. Wrestling's inclusion/exclusion was put before an international committee for a vote, and I'm sure some (if not many) of those who voted thought they were doing the right thing. However, I wish that people should stop fetishizing amateur wrestling and amateur wrestlers. Many of us who have wrestled competitively (or who are still actively wrestling competitively) are insulted whenever we see wrestling porn, guys wearing mass-produced singlets pretending to be wrestlers, etc. Some gay people (here and elsewhere) think that wearing a singlet they purchased on-line makes them a wrestler. I'm not judging, and people are free to do what they want within reason, but I wish there's less fetishizing; and more support and respect for this great sport of amateur wrestling.


    it'd be nice...
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    Feb 15, 2013 2:40 AM GMT
    Wrestling is being dropped from the Olympics because it's the only sport left where the participants are man enough to compete without the use of performance enhancing drugs.
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    Feb 15, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidWrestling is being dropped from the Olympics because it's the only sport left where the participants are man enough to compete without the use of performance enhancing drugs.


    LOL. Really?
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    Feb 15, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    CCE_Sports_Network saidI can guarantee you that Coach Vladimir Uruimagov (a coach in one of the most homophobic countries in Eastern Europe) had no influence on the IOC's decision.

    I hope (and I take it) you are kidding and not giving credence to this article to support some type of racism claim. icon_surprised.gif


    You'll see in the earlier thread on this subject (from yesterday) where I LOL'd all over Vlad the Impugner. icon_lol.gif Didn't want you latecomers to miss it!
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    Feb 15, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3014058
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    FitGwynedd said
    calibro saidit has to due with the white european countries not liking it. duh.


    Freestyle all time medals top 8

    USSR
    USA
    Iran
    Russia
    Turkey
    Sweden
    Finland
    Bulgaria

    Greco-Roman all time medals top 8

    USSR
    Finland
    Sweden
    Hungary
    Bulgaria
    Romania
    Turkey
    Poland

    White Europeans like it and are quite good at it, its the asian countries that are terrible at it and had it removed.


    Ummmmm, Japan, China, and Korea were in the sport too...
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    Feb 15, 2013 1:33 PM GMT
    I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over the fetishization of wrestling and wrestlers, not that anyone here is.

    I could show you (far too easily... don't ask) porn from pretty much every sport conceived by homo sapiens. At the very least, those sports with uniforms that reveal ample curvatures in bodies and skin. I think the curlers are safe in this regard... I think... then again those pants they wear are kinda hot...

    The more you reveal in your participant unis, the more likely you'll find porn and fetish fantasies of it. Boxing, Lacrosse, Soccer (Football), Football (Football), Baseball, Swimming, and it goes on and on.

    But combat and contact sports are the ones that historically barred and weeded out the so-called "girly men" (and actual girls) from adolescence going forward, almost categorically. Wrestling, as Coach Vladimir up there so eloquently puts it, is essential to some society's warped conceptualizations of not only masculinity but humanity itself. There's no surprise that a world leader who will glibly advise anyone who'll listen that gays don't exist in his country presides over a place whose national sport is wrestling. Whatever it is (cops, soldiers), the more people insist, "This Is For Real Men Only!", the more likely you'll have some actual men jacking off to it.

    Wrestling fits pretty neatly within the Venn diagram that includes both phenomena. So if there is rampant fetishization, that's the sport's fault, not the dudes watching it with prurient interest.

    Note also that "F/M Wrestling" turns up a LOT of content. A LOT. Serving both sexes. A brutha cannot Google "figure four headscissors" without being awash in it! ("F/F wrestling" seems to serve mostly one, and it's not F's! icon_lol.gif ) So fetishization over wrestling is not just some gay guy thing that gay guys have to "get over."

    Look at the Boy Scouts. You don't think somebody eventually came up with scout porn (adults only, thank you very much)? Is the fact somebody out there produces it and somebody out there consumes it legitimate justification for kicking actual Scouts out of the Scouts because they're gay? Doing so only reinforces the demand.

    Be inclusive from the jump, encourage participation from all who are interested (like some of the active and, I trust, openly gay guys in the sport in here were fortunate enough to do), replace the fantasy for millions of young people with actual involvement, and the popularity of wrestling-as-sex-scene will be reduced to the societal titillization level of ki-ki.