If gay marriage tips off polygamy

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    Oct 04, 2008 1:36 AM GMT
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqzgMhAc3l0
  • Hunter9

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    Oct 04, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    ok. that video is weird, but if they want to have their wives, let them have their fucking wives. who gives a shit
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    Oct 04, 2008 2:29 AM GMT
    How can legalizing marriage between any TWO adults permit polygamy? Surely people can count?

    1 + 1 = 2 ;-)
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    Oct 04, 2008 2:52 AM GMT
    Full civil equality my dear SamerPhxAZ.

    It has nothing to do with kids. Which, since we are talking about it, get adopted into gay families all the time. Just because they aren't bio-kids doesn't make that family any less legitimate.

    And there are tons of churches that do gay weddings. My landlords got married in one. A friends mother got married in a another. These churches recognize these marriages but the states don't. And so, they do not grand the over 3,000 civil rights attending civil marriage.

    And that video... well, that was something else. Glad to see Darren Aronofsky got better with age.
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    Oct 04, 2008 5:48 AM GMT

    TigerTim> 1 + 1 = 2

    There you go again, TT, flaunting your intellectual superiority with your fancy science and high order mathematical equations. (:

    Hey, how much longer will it be before I can marry Remus... my dog?
    (Matt already knows that Remus is my true love.)

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    Oct 04, 2008 11:37 AM GMT
    SamerPhxAZ saidI never thought gay couples are that serious about gay marriage? What's the point of getting marry without kids? Sure you can stay couples as you like, but there is no rules in gay culture that everybody should get marry. No churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious places won't accept Gay couples or gay cultures. Marriage is all about making family. I don't understand why atheist couples want to get marry? They don't believe in God.


    OMG wow... umm hun... lol

    Nowadays marriage has nothing to do with religion or god. It has to do with civil rights which is why a priest says at the end...

    "...and by the authority of the State of [Enter state name here], I now pronunce you, Man and Wife. Make out bitches!."

    Atheists... who marries them? Ever hear of the justices of the peace?

    Religious ceremonies nowadays are a preference when it comes to weddings. My sister wants to get married in a Catholic church. My cousin got married in an auditorium by a JoP.

    A couple gets granted over 1100 legal rights apon signing a marriage certificate. That is 1100 more rights that str8 couples have that gay couples don't have. That my friend is why gay couples want to get married--they won't love each other anymore... their love may have more meaning--it's mainly for protection and equality. Which is why it is so serious when a state bans gay marriage.
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    Oct 04, 2008 12:41 PM GMT
    SamerPhxAZ saidI never thought gay couples are that serious about gay marriage? What's the point of getting marry without kids? Sure you can stay couples as you like, but there is no rules in gay culture that everybody should get marry. No churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious places won't accept Gay couples or gay cultures. Marriage is all about making family. I don't understand why atheist couples want to get marry? They don't believe in God.


    In some cultures that is the view of marriage, having kids. In Western society many straight couples get married because they love each other, but don't want kids (I know of at least two at work). I have always admired people who resist society's pressures to have kids. I have not met many outstanding parents in my life, and a lot of bad ones. If you don't want kids, do society a favour and don't have them!
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    Oct 04, 2008 12:54 PM GMT
    SamerPhxAZ saidI never thought gay couples are that serious about gay marriage? What's the point of getting marry without kids? Sure you can stay couples as you like, but there is no rules in gay culture that everybody should get marry. No churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious places won't accept Gay couples or gay cultures. Marriage is all about making family. I don't understand why atheist couples want to get marry? They don't believe in God.


    It is called civil marriage which the state provides.
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    Oct 04, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
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    SamerPhxAZ saidI never thought gay couples are that serious about gay marriage? What's the point of getting marry without kids? Sure you can stay couples as you like, but there is no rules in gay culture that everybody should get marry. No churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious places won't accept Gay couples or gay cultures. Marriage is all about making family. I don't understand why atheist couples want to get marry? They don't believe in God.

    In some cultures that is the view of marriage, having kids. In Western society many straight couples get married because they love each other, but don't want kids (I know of at least two at work). I have always admired people who resist society's pressures to have kids. I have not met many outstanding parents in my life, and a lot of bad ones. If you don't want kids, do society a favour and don't have them!

    You beat me to it. I've always hated that the main logic used against gay marriage was that same sex couples can't have kids. Neither can infertile couples, neither can elderly couples. Unfortunately the right-wing "defenders of traditional marriage" have eliminated love from the equation.
    To the OP question on gay marriage possibly leading to polygamy, polygamy's advocates are definitely going to try to use that as a basis to make their case--I've already seen them discussing it openly in news reports. It actually may get traction, as long as they are limiting it to consenting adults only. They will also use biblical precedent(as many are currently using against gay marriage) and currently existing world cultures that allow it.
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    Oct 04, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    Neat.

    A video that marries The Ring with The Blair Witch Project.
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    Oct 04, 2008 2:50 PM GMT
    Though I don't get the connection between the video and the forum title, I'll comment on them separately.

    The video: drag queens who aren't weighed down with too much talent shouldn't make movies.

    The polygamy from gay marriage issue: This argument is devoid of logic and is typical of the double standards of fundamentalists. For example, they proclaim that marriage is for the purpose of producing kids, yet if you say then that straight couples shouldn't be allowed to marry if one or both are sterile, then they'll shift gears. Every argument they use is astoundingly weak and yet they are effective through volume and repetition.
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    Oct 04, 2008 3:27 PM GMT
    The problem with Fundamental Christian views on marriage is that they only see marriage as a religious and civil institution that is one and the same. It's like the Ten Commandments are the basis for the laws of the land. They fail to recognize that the US Constitution is the supreme law of the land when they try to force citizens to interpret the Constitution through the lense of the Bible. They also have this unfounded notion that our country was founded by the grace of God moving through the Founding Fathers and that any separation of church and state is a strike against their interpretations on history, society, law and religion.
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    Oct 04, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidHow can legalizing marriage between any TWO adults permit polygamy? Surely people can count?

    1 + 1 = 2 ;-)


    Its called legal precendent...a fundametal building block of our legal system.

    Once the legal precedent for "marriage" is struck down anything goes. Women and children really,really suffer from polygamy as can be seen in any islamic country. Incidentally islamic beliefs are really, really bad for gay people too. You need to look at the big picture.
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    Oct 04, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    I see more straight (married) polygamists on these sites than I would EVER have guessed. Check out craigslist.com and see what I mean. We are not the bad guys.icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 04, 2008 7:11 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidEveryone's a big slut these days. It's all decadence. Let's get married! Hey whom shall we invite to our wedding bed to join us for a night of torrid polygamist sex?!

    I'm free next weekend ( Seafood Festival going on this weekend....)icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 04, 2008 7:14 PM GMT
    After we dine out on boiled shrimp, we'll smell just like their wives, too!icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said
    TigerTim saidHow can legalizing marriage between any TWO adults permit polygamy? Surely people can count?

    1 + 1 = 2 ;-)


    Its called legal precendent...a fundametal building block of our legal system.

    Once the legal precedent for "marriage" is struck down anything goes. Women and children really,really suffer from polygamy as can be seen in any islamic country. Incidentally islamic beliefs are really, really bad for gay people too. You need to look at the big picture.


    You didn't really address my point did you? You guys are on a roll today... Appeal to fear is also a logical fallacy, init!

    Let me make an equally silly argument, just for kicks. Darn right (to quote Sarah Palin) Sharia is bad for gay people! Therefore we should LEGALIZE marriage so we can show the REST of the world exactly how BAD Islam is! Like dude, YOU need to look at the BIGGER picture!
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    Oct 04, 2008 7:30 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI never liked the word "dude"....

    It's so ghetto regardless of ethnicity.


    Dude, focus on the BIGGER PICTURE!
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    Oct 04, 2008 8:02 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidI never liked the word "dude"....

    It's so ghetto regardless of ethnicity.


    why dont you elaborate a bit on this comment?
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    Oct 04, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    SamerPhxAZ saidI never thought gay couples are that serious about gay marriage? What's the point of getting marry without kids? Sure you can stay couples as you like, but there is no rules in gay culture that everybody should get marry. No churches, mosques, synagogues and other religious places won't accept Gay couples or gay cultures. Marriage is all about making family. I don't understand why atheist couples want to get marry? They don't believe in God.


    Ummm... I think gay marriage can be taken more seriously than your question.

    If marriage is only for producing children, then what about straight couples who can't or won't have children? Maybe no one over 60 should get married? Are the infertile to be denied marriage, or must they divorce if they fail to produce children after a certain time period?

    In the modern US, marriage is established under civil authority. It requires no religious organization to make it legal. Ministers, rabbis and others apply for the authority to conduct civil marriage ceremonies, concurrently with their own religious services. A church wedding alone, without a civil marriage license, has no legal standing. At best it might be used to bolster a claim for a "common law" marriage.

    Marriage provides legal interlocking protections for a couple that are not otherwise available without having to draw up a tangle of separate legal instruments. And in some cases, and places, no combination of legal instruments will provide the same benefits to a couple as a single marriage license.

    These include, but are not limited to: inheritance; joint property ownership; implied power of attorney; medical surrogate authority; and authority to make funeral arrangements.
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    Oct 04, 2008 8:27 PM GMT
    Marriage is a commitment bound by a legal contract. The contract basics are that that the two mutually consenting adults will stick together in a partnership, and the contract often only matters when the contract is about to be broken. As I see it, the only evolutionary change that will come about from gay marriage is gay divorce.

    As for marriage being about having children? That's what happens with unprotected heterosexual sex during female ovulation. It happens with or without a marriage contract. And the kids get reared with or without both parents.

    May not be our utopian ideal, but since when has humanity or this planet been able to follow utopian ideals?
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    Oct 04, 2008 9:22 PM GMT
    NoSuchPerson said, "May not be our utopian ideal, but since when has humanity or this planet been able to follow utopian ideals?"


    When humans didn't exist. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 06, 2008 12:40 AM GMT
    I'm just gonna say this.

    I read "Jude the Obscure" for school and even though it was written hundreds of years ago, its still smart and relevant. A message is that society's demands crush and destroy the individual. Part of those demands is marriage (and although not addressed in the book, another would be getting married to a women and having kids; ie being straight). That makes it really unappealing as it seems as society's forced mechanism of showing love. That 'forced' bit makes a marriage seem cold, heartless, and the love seem forced.

    But that just means you need to be careful I suppose. I still want to marry and it still about all the rights.

    I'd want my husband to be with me in the hospital if I was ever there. I'd want him to get my stuff if I ever died.
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    Oct 06, 2008 12:45 AM GMT
    I have to admit I see the marriage deal for a man and a woman. Now, I am all for 100% totally equality and the same rights and all for HUMAN-KIND..... I am wondering....do gay people really want the "marriage" terminology....maybe something better???
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    Oct 06, 2008 2:37 PM GMT
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    Alpha, are you serious?

    The argument for "allowing" same sex couples to marry (by the state) is that the state's marriage contract awards benefits (and responsibilities) to two individuals. Among the few restrictions are that they not be married to anyone else (it is an exclusive contract) and that they be of two different sexes, i.e. a man and a woman. They can be 17 and 90, for all the state cares. They can be strangers to one another. They can have been married and divorced unlimited times before ... they can be planning to divorce in two years if that's their goal! There can be money and property involved in the contract! As far as the state is concerned, the two people can be 1 Lutheran and 1 Jew, or 1 Asian and 1 European or African or Native American or Uzbeck. As long as there are two sexes involved in the contract, one of the parties can be on her deathbed and the state will sanction that marriage. They can be under the duress of parents or other powers, and often are (See Bristol Palin ...)

    The marriageable couple may have met a lunch and be married before dinner (see a boxful of flicks about quick Vegas weddings ...) My sister could (and did) marry a man she knew six weeks. I couldn't marry the man I was with for 6 years.

    I understand that many of you guys don't see why a gay couple would WANT to marry - in fact, many don't. But when you or one of your friends loses a partner and then sees your life torn apart again when his family goes into court to take your house or dictate the funeral, come back and tell me there is no reason to marry!

    If the description I've given of the current state of marriage law doesn't describe something already broken, I don't know what does - oh, yeah: the divorce rate. It is indeed remarkable that so many people jump head first into a contract that takes 5 minutes and $10 to enter, and possibly months or years and thousands of dollars to end. But they do!