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    Feb 15, 2013 8:01 AM GMT
    Do u believe people should used steroids if yes when do u believe they need to start it and what the good & bad about steroids
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    Feb 15, 2013 2:50 PM GMT
    I am taking T-injections under a doctor's supevision and with his blessing and consent because of medical conditions (osteopinia) caused by Type II diabetes.

    Wiith a medical professional's consent and supervision -- the only way.
  • bburg34

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    Feb 15, 2013 2:50 PM GMT
    Yes they work but like all drugs they have side effects.
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    Feb 15, 2013 3:14 PM GMT
    Find the cause of the low T rather than supplementing
    which has the long term undesirable affect of testicle atrophy.
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    Feb 15, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    NĂ”.
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    Feb 15, 2013 3:21 PM GMT
    This again?

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/?searchtext=STEROIDS

    hey BlkKingKong

    Theres lots of threads in the forum about this..
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    Feb 15, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    I think steroids should be legal & used under a drs care to maintain blood work & care w/out hiding. A woman can kill her unborn chid because its hee body but the fda wont let us take steroids legally? Wtf?
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    Feb 15, 2013 6:20 PM GMT
    blkkingkong saidDo u believe people should used steroids if yes when do u believe they need to start it and what the good & bad about steroids


    Performance enhancing drugs should not be illegal, but they should be controlled and prescribed by a physician. If taken appropriately and as advised, they can have positive effects on the human body. The problem with PEDs is that people abuse them. A big reason for this is greed and ambition, but users being poorly educated on proper doses is another reason. Abuse will still occur, but improving legal availability, controlling the substances via prescription, and properly educating people on proper use/consequences could help reduce abuse.
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    Feb 16, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    redbull saidI think steroids should be legal & used under a drs care to maintain blood work & care w/out hiding. A woman can kill her unborn chid because its hee body but the fda wont let us take steroids legally? Wtf?


    Now careful with that abortion analogy! A lot of women who seek to have an abortion never even intended to have children. Rape victims, for example. Steroids shouldnt be illegal but still there are dangers to using. I think to each his own and if you want to use them for non-competitive purposes, very well. I would not consider using them personally. It seems risky and I want to tone and get tight but I don't want to get super huge.
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    Feb 16, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    It doesn't matter what I feel. Sports/atheletes are going to use them. Living a state where marijuana is legal, I have no problem with anyone taking steroids.

    If one is not free to do what one wants to do whith his/her body, then how can one claim to be free?
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    Feb 16, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
    blkkingkong saidDo u believe people should used steroids if yes when do u believe they need to start it and what the good & bad about steroids


    That's a pretty open question, dude, requiring a lot of research that you're not going to get in this thread.

    I don't believe drugs in general should be illegal. I think the idea of controlling substances is anti-Liberty and that mankind is a species of rational creatures that ought to be left to dispose of their property - their bodies being foremost among their possessions - as they see fit.

    To start steroids requires a pretty thorough knowledge of hormones and chemistry if you plan to do them safely.

    The good part of steroids is that they are as close to physiological magic as you can find. In males, so many ailments and general maladies are cured by increased testosterone production that Steroids may as well just be called Magic Potions. You'll be bigger, stronger, leaner, faster, your mood will be elevated, your sex drive will increase, you'll experience less pain and you'll recover from injury more quickly.

    The bad part of steroids is, paradoxically, that some people treat them like magic. They don't do their research, they don't follow the rules, they don't do the work necessary to actually see the good results, and they end up doing something dangerous. Steroids produce all the good effects above... when used in a controlled way. If used in an uncontrolled way, they will also produce severe acne, mood swings, gynecomastia (bitch tits), testicle sclerosis, sexual dysfunction, and other varying side effects (depending on what chemicals you're using). Steroids also require you to actually work. Guys who use them are already very serious lifters... if you aren't lifting almost every day, don't try steroids. You won't see the results a lifter will. What a steroid does is, basically, increase your recovery time at the gym. You will recover in 2 days what may have taken 4 or 5. But if you aren't working, you won't see those kinds of gains.

    People don't just jam their butt full of cow hormones and turn into bodybuilders.
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    Feb 16, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    Are you speaking from experience, Larkin?
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    Feb 16, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    Any way you look at it, they scare the sh*t out of me.

    They are not worth any attention they might garner. Shame on anyone for using them.
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    Feb 16, 2013 10:44 PM GMT
    active_athlete saidAre you speaking from experience, Larkin?


    Depends on what you mean by experience. Last 2 guys I dated juiced the whole time I knew them. Had an old roommate who sold. And honestly if you just hang around bodybuilders enough you'll get a feel for the culture as such.

    I'm already naturally huge... but I'm also very strongly endomorphic.
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    Feb 16, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    I'm not sure where I stand on the legality of steroids. I'm more of a libertarian at heart, but the way so many stupid people act, I wonder where that line is where the law should step in to stop people from self-destructing.

    As far as taking steroids for bodybuilding or competitive sports, I think it's unfair. You can argue that everyone is doing it, but that doesn't make it right. Not everyone has access to the same drugs. You're not winning because you're better or you worked harder. You're winning because you pumped yourself full of drugs to fuel your pathological need to win. It's pathetic.

    Taking steroids even for personal use isn't something I'd do either. I want to earn my gains. Every compliment I received would be based on a lie because I doubt people would compliment me if they knew I was taking steroids (assuming it wasn't for medical purposes).

    Testosterone is not the fountain of youth. Your levels are supposed to decrease as you age. Even under a physicians care, taking testosterone has risks. There is an increased risk of certain cancers, heart disease, and high cholesterol, among other things. These side effects can occur even if your testosterone levels are in the normal range. Doctors seem to be over-prescribing this supplement, just as they do with so many other prescription medications, all in an effort to stay young and feel perfect.
  • LJay

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    Feb 16, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    Just read the very interesting article in WebMD about osteopenia and its relation to steroid use. Certainly some food for thought there.

    I've always felt that steroids are pretty powerful stuff and using them to enhance athletic performance is not right. As for body builders, it seems a symptom of not being able to face the way a person is naturally.Good food and exercise to support health is one thing. Taking all sorts of concoctions to become something you are not is quite another. Even using such stuff under a doctor's careful supervision is risky.

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    Feb 16, 2013 11:49 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI'm not sure where I stand on the legality of steroids. I'm more of a libertarian at heart, but the way so many stupid people act, I wonder where that line is where the law should step in to stop people from self-destructing.

    As far as taking steroids for bodybuilding or competitive sports, I think it's unfair. You can argue that everyone is doing it, but that doesn't make it right. Not everyone has access to the same drugs. You're not winning because you're better or you worked harder. You're winning because you pumped yourself full of drugs to fuel your pathological need to win. It's pathetic.


    Actually, if you're winning in that situation, it's almost certainly because you you're better AND worked harder, since the drugs you pumped yourself full of "to fuel your pathological need to win" are what allow you to work harder and recover more quickly. No one taking steroids so he doesn't have to work as hard is going to win any serious competition unless he's bribing the judges, which, yes, would be unfair.

    I don't accept your loaded assumption that every competitor who uses steroids is doing so out of a "pathological" need to win. For many athletes, especially the ones with families to support, it's probably a rational decision in which the cost-benefit analysis favors using steroids to maximize the gains, financial and otherwise, they can make in what by definition will be a short career with the chance of having it cut short by injury ever present. It's just one more risk they're taking in a career fraught with them.

    But sure, some of them probably are pathological in their need to win. I don't know about you, but I'd rather see pathological folks in a sporting arena than a poltical arena, on the battlefield, on Wall Street, etc. We project all this heroism on to athletes, and sometimes they display it, but at bottom what we're asking them to do is provide a theater and a release for our darker impulses -- our desire to watch one guy (or a group of guys) beat the shit out of another guy or otherwise dominate him (or them).

    As for people self-destructing on steroids and your concern about where the law should step in, is the risk that they'll do so greater if they buy them on the black market, or if they buy them legally and use them under a doctor's supervision?
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    Larkin said
    active_athlete saidAre you speaking from experience, Larkin?


    Depends on what you mean by experience. Last 2 guys I dated juiced the whole time I knew them. Had an old roommate who sold. And honestly if you just hang around bodybuilders enough you'll get a feel for the culture as such.

    I'm already naturally huge... but I'm also very strongly endomorphic.


    OK then that makes more sense. It's just the way you were talking about it sounded like you were very pro-steroids and it sounded very anecdotal. I wouldn't be averse to taking it, except for the fact that I don't have the time to train all the time, I don't have the knowledge on cycling, don't have the cash for all the raw materials, and I wouldn't know where to get it, so I wouldn't do it.
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    Feb 17, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    Another hugely important point about steroids. They cause muscles to grow. This includes the heart, as it is made of cardiac muscle. The heart can undergo hypertrophy in much the same way as skeletal muscles do.

    But steroids can cause excessive hypertrophy. For cardiac muscle, this can be very VERY dangerous! Among the problems, the electrical conduction that maintains a steady heart rate can be disturbed, leading to cardiac arrhythmia, palpitations and greater potential for heart failure or heart attack/stroke.

    It's not worth the risk to take any without the guidance of an educated medical professional.
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    Mar 02, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    Got a friend whose on steroids and I got to see the mood swings on effect tonight. He just went irrational on me. I don't want anything to do with those things. I want to achieve results on the gym naturally. I don't care to be super-bloaty-big.
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    Mar 10, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    it's up to whoever with what they want to do but me personally, if it gets to that point where you need to go that route in order to get results or stay motivated to go to the gym, then you might as well stop working out. it's more of a confidence thing. learn to embrace what you are and what you're not. that's being confident. you don't need to risk screwing yourself up trying to obtain something that you just don't naturally have. you don't need to have the most muscular body or the best looking face to get to someone that likes you for who you are as a person. it's really not worth it just to get love from somebody based on only how you look. that body dysmorphia illness is real.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    PR_GMR saidGot a friend whose on steroids and I got to see the mood swings on effect tonight. He just went irrational on me. I don't want anything to do with those things. I want to achieve results on the gym naturally. I don't care to be super-bloaty-big.


    This is an unpredictable side effect. My ex fuck buddy who was on juice (including T) almost the entire year was so wishy washy I even wished he had some roid rage!
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:16 AM GMT
    scaredmidget saidit's up to whoever with what they want to do but me personally, if it gets to that point where you need to go that route in order to get results or stay motivated to go to the gym, then you might as well stop working out. it's more of a confidence thing. learn to embrace what you are and what you're not. that's being confident. you don't need to risk screwing yourself up trying to obtain something that you just don't naturally have. you don't need to have the most muscular body or the best looking face to get to someone that likes you for who you are as a person. it's really not worth it just to get love from somebody based on only how you look. that body dysmorphia illness is real.


    Did you ever read the Little Mermaid tale? This isn't necessarily about confidence. People don't always have the most convenient taste and sometimes they have to become something entirely different in order to attract who they want. This transformation may have a very high cost, as it had for the little mermaid. The tale puts into question how far is it worth going to attract who you want.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:22 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI'm not sure where I stand on the legality of steroids. I'm more of a libertarian at heart, but the way so many stupid people act, I wonder where that line is where the law should step in to stop people from self-destructing.

    As far as taking steroids for bodybuilding or competitive sports, I think it's unfair. You can argue that everyone is doing it, but that doesn't make it right. Not everyone has access to the same drugs. You're not winning because you're better or you worked harder. You're winning because you pumped yourself full of drugs to fuel your pathological need to win. It's pathetic.

    Taking steroids even for personal use isn't something I'd do either. I want to earn my gains. Every compliment I received would be based on a lie because I doubt people would compliment me if they knew I was taking steroids (assuming it wasn't for medical purposes).

    Testosterone is not the fountain of youth. Your levels are supposed to decrease as you age. Even under a physicians care, taking testosterone has risks. There is an increased risk of certain cancers, heart disease, and high cholesterol, among other things. These side effects can occur even if your testosterone levels are in the normal range. Doctors seem to be over-prescribing this supplement, just as they do with so many other prescription medications, all in an effort to stay young and feel perfect.


    First of all: A very well constructed post. Good work. But I have to disagree, particularly with the bolded section.

    To pretend that the playing field in competitive sports is "fair", absent steroid use, is absurd. Any number of athletes have access to a variety of performance enhancing factors that are perfectly legal and we say nary a word about them.

    Kids of wealthier families have access to better coaches, better facilities, and money to enroll in traveling amateur teams that increase their skill set. Is this unfair? Players in better colleges have better chances at succeeding.

    Wealthier athletes can afford to construct chambers within their house that artificially change the pressure within them -thereby mimicking higher altitude exposure. Higher altitude exposure creatures a higher red blood cell count - something than an illegal steroid does as well (EPO). Yet this is perfectly legal.

    Finally, is the random combination of genetic assignment really fair in any sense? Why should someone have greater advantages simply because of God's cosmic whim? I'll tell you what's frigging unfair - LIFE. Mankind has for millenia been attempting to assert their will through science over the arbitrary auspices of nature- and we celebrate it.

    You say that testosterone supplementation is bad because our levels are "supposed" to decrease with age. I applaud your natural approach toward medicine. I invite you, during your next surgery, to waive the benefits of anesthesia. This is, after all, perfectly natural. You are "supposed" to feel pain.

    As an aside, the introduction of anesthesia DID have a backlash within the religious community - people felt that blocking pain was not part of God's plan and was unnatural. Do you agree?

    I'm reminded a scene from the Simpsons in which Mr. Burns and Homer are engaged in a race to the top of the mountain. Mr. Burns unveils a snowmobile that they can use to get to the top, and Homer is concerned that its cheating. Mr Burns replies (paraphrasing):

    Should the race always go to the swift? Or the jumble to the swift-witted? Should these men win merely because of the gifts GOD gave them? Well... I say that cheating is the gift that man, gives himself!

    Joking aside, any kind of supplementation changes the slope of a fair playing field. Creatine, multivitamins, protein, BCAAs, whatever. If steroids do this to a greater degree, its only that - a matter of degree. We just hate steroids because society tells us to.