Feds Set To Mandate "Black Box" Data Recorders In Every Car And Truck

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    Feb 16, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
    http://autos.aol.com/article/feds-set-to-mandate-black-box-data-recorders-in-every-car-and/
  • AMoonHawk

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    Feb 16, 2013 9:36 PM GMT
    Big Brother is watching ... Just wait until they mandate an rf chip in every child
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:05 AM GMT
    Idiots! Aint happening!
  • Zinc

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    Feb 17, 2013 1:06 AM GMT
    Intrusive.
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:44 AM GMT
    Most of the guys on rj are democrats, this is what democrats do. obama has plenty more things like this instore for us. Get over it and go have a beer with your buddy Barack.
  • calibro

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    Feb 17, 2013 3:56 AM GMT
    seriously? intrusion of freedom when a device records how fast you were traveling, if you wore a seat belt, or if you hit the brakes? if you want to complain if there's a gps function or tape recorder that's one thing (these are not airline black boxes) . but to moan about the car collecting diagnostic information is ridiculous. how about all you write a letter to the faa complaining having a black box in planes is an intrusion of your privacy too.
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    Feb 17, 2013 5:31 AM GMT
    Recording what goes on in your personal car, intrusive?

    http://www.baitbus.com

    "The idea behind mandating black box data recorders is to gather information that can help investigators determine the causes of accidents and lead to safer vehicles."

    What a crock of shit. Collecting data to make cars safer. Right, like they couldn't have already figured that out within their first 10 years of data.
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    Feb 17, 2013 5:33 AM GMT
    Secret policingicon_smile.gif))))
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    Feb 17, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
    I think you guys missed the critical bit of information from that article..

    "The thing is, most cars already have them unbeknownst to many drivers.

    Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years."
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    Feb 17, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidMost of the guys on rj are democrats, this is what democrats do. obama has plenty more things like this instore for us. Get over it and go have a beer with your buddy Barack.

    We're already coming for your guns. Better stock up!
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    Feb 17, 2013 9:13 AM GMT
    As always... We have to do this for the children...
  • Medjai

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    Feb 17, 2013 9:16 AM GMT
    I fail to see how anyone could see this as anything but a good idea...
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    Feb 17, 2013 10:36 AM GMT
    Don't break the law or do anything illegal, then you shouldn't have anything to complain about. It's not like they're tracking where you go yet.
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    Feb 17, 2013 10:49 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidMost of the guys on rj are democrats, this is what democrats do. obama has plenty more things like this instore for us. Get over it and go have a beer with your buddy Barack.


    Really, dude? I'm probably the most Republican friendly Democrat on RJ, and I'm calling shenanigans on you. Your comment not only added no value, but it lacks roots in rational thought. Republicans are just as bad as Democrats in terms of restricting personal liberties. They just do it in different ways: wire taps, warrantless searches and seizures, homosexuality, women's medical rights, etc. The Patriot Act was the single greatest act against personal liberties in the history of the United States.
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    Feb 17, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
    Medjai saidI fail to see how anyone could see this as anything but a good idea...

    Adaptive automatic transmissions have done this for years, the car's computer creating a driver profile that actually modifies the shift patterns to match the style of driving. Theoretically that same stored information can be extracted and analyzed, to show rates of acceleration and speeds over time. What it cannot show is WHO was driving.

    I was an Army MP back when we performed conventional traffic duties, in additional to battlefield convoy operations, EPW (POW) processing, and other combat roles. I was trained, and trained others, in traffic accident forensic investigations.

    In some respects today's cars provide LESS information about an accident event than older cars did. Anti-lock brakes have greatly reduced the tire skid marks that once could allow for fairly reliable accident reconstruction. Without full skid marks it's difficult to say when a driver first began to brake, and how forcibly, what path the vehicle(s) took, nor infer the speed of the vehicle by the length of the marks. Of course, the upside is that drivers are better able to avoid an accident in the first place with anti-lock brakes.

    Another involves LED lights. With a filament bulb it's possible to determine after a crash if the filament was burning at the moment when it shatters and is exposed to the air, because it will destruct with a particular signature. That can have implications in a crash investigation, for instance to determine if the vehicle lights were in use at night, or whether the brakes or turn signals had been applied. LEDs don't provide this information as reliably.

    And this kind of forensic evidence helps to determine cause and assign blame in traffic accidents, and exonerate innocent victims. A computerized "black box" could do the same, a protection for you if you're the victim of a bad driver. You'd have the evidence that he made a mistake, not you. Or if you made the mistake, well, that's the nature of justice.

    And remember, while your car is your private property, you are operating it on public roads. The same principle in US States that says a driver's license is a privilege and not a right, may well also legally govern the monitoring of your driving on those same roads.

    Cameras already observe us at many intersections, capturing who ran a red light and who rammed into whom. Toll roads can automatically calculate your speed between toll points, and speeding tickets can be issued on that basis. Is an onboard device in your car really any different?
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    Feb 17, 2013 11:44 AM GMT
    Agree with the concept...but just how will the information be used, and by who ?? As the article stated, there need to be policies on the use of the data.
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    Feb 17, 2013 11:48 AM GMT
    Bodycontactau saidAgree with the concept...but just how will the information be used, and by who ?? As the article stated, there need to be policies on the use of the data.

    Agreed. Information that is useful can be usurped for improper purposes.
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    Feb 17, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
    freedom? whats that?
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:11 PM GMT
    catchy_screen_name saidfreedom? whats that?

    Freedom and anarchy are very close to each other. Political freedom in our US Constitution is supposed to mean the freedom to do as wish, provided it does not infringe on the similar freedoms of our fellow citizens. Anarchy is the freedom to do as we wish, period.

    Unfortunately freedom in the US has been subverted to mean the right to impose personal attitudes, morals and religious beliefs on others, a condition very similar to anarchy, and abusive of freedom. The exact opposite of what the Founders intended, having seen the destructive horrors of the European religious wars of past centuries. The US was created as a secular entity, free of specific religious affiliation, though acknowledging universal concepts of human rights that many religions nominally espouse.

    I love the music of Mozart, and Bach, and others, so eternal in their beauty that I marvel that mere humans could have created such other-worldly works, and so long ago. And sometimes words and ideas are that beautiful, as well, and just as old.

    Until the end of time, I doubt words will ever exceed these, and be more powerful, though written nearly 240 years ago:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

    Do gay men not realize the implication of these words? And that our own freedom hinges on these very words?

    Freedom? What's that? It's contained in the founding documents of the United States of America, if we want to press the point. And maybe that's exactly what we need to do, and reject religious dogma that isn't embedded in our Constitution, though some would place it there for their own selfish agendas and personal profit.
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:17 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI think you guys missed the critical bit of information from that article..

    "The thing is, most cars already have them unbeknownst to many drivers.

    Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years."


    That's nothing but bs! I have a 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 and it doesn't have none of that mess(but yet again im in Texas). And if it did, I'll rip that right off!
  • jimjock

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    Feb 17, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    Guy Montag, why do you worry about these things?

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    Hasn't anybody seen the Progressive Insurance commercials about the module you can plug into the interface of your vehicle's computer to share your driving habits for a more accurate policy pricing?


    http://youtu.be/ggWY7OPag0s

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    Feb 17, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Bodycontactau saidAgree with the concept...but just how will the information be used, and by who ?? As the article stated, there need to be policies on the use of the data.

    Agreed. Information that is useful can be usurped for improper purposes.


    The government will not allow you to know what was useful or not. I find this just another attack on our freedoms. But what I find hard to believe is that ppl are happier and happier to have less freedoms.
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidMost of the guys on rj are democrats, this is what democrats do. obama has plenty more things like this instore for us. Get over it and go have a beer with your buddy Barack.


    Really, dude? I'm probably the most Republican friendly Democrat on RJ, and I'm calling shenanigans on you. Your comment not only added no value, but it lacks roots in rational thought. Republicans are just as bad as Democrats in terms of restricting personal liberties. They just do it in different ways: wire taps, warrantless searches and seizures, homosexuality, women's medical rights, etc. The Patriot Act was the single greatest act against personal liberties in the history of the United States.


    Really Dude. Get the facts right. Barack made the Patriot Act stronger when he renewed it. Killing babies isn't a women's medical issue, it's murder. Barack is providing more foreign aid than any republican ever did to countries which execute gays. Republicans aren't approving drones to fly over you, obama is.

    Eventually when there's a test to determine homoesexuality in the womb, it will be democrats aborting gays, not republicans.
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    Feb 17, 2013 1:29 PM GMT
    may11 said
    xrichx saidI think you guys missed the critical bit of information from that article..

    "The thing is, most cars already have them unbeknownst to many drivers.

    Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years."


    That's nothing but bs! I have a 2012 Dodge Ram 3500 and it doesn't have none of that mess(but yet again im in Texas). And if it did, I'll rip that right off!


    You have one. I googled it.
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    may11 said
    ART_DECO said
    Bodycontactau saidAgree with the concept...but just how will the information be used, and by who ?? As the article stated, there need to be policies on the use of the data.

    Agreed. Information that is useful can be usurped for improper purposes.

    The government will not allow you to know what was useful or not. I find this just another attack on our freedoms. But what I find hard to believe is that ppl are happier and happier to have less freedoms.

    First, read my sixth post above. Second, US citizens were once more electorally engaged and participatory than they are today. Elections were local & public affairs in small towns, even when candidates on the ballot might be running for a national office.

    Today all government is remote, even on State, County and sometimes City levels, much more so at Federal. The curse of size, I suppose. I don't know how to cure that.

    But rest assured that politicians exploit that remoteness, to operate largely unfettered and unaccountable. Once in office they have a license to do as they wish, and many do, refusing any accountability to their constituents. Though elected by the voters to their office, once there they become Barons, answerable to no one.

    The fundamental flaw in a Democratic Republic is the human nature of its representatives. And until that can be fixed, this form of government will remain broken.