Bill Maher's "Religulous"

  • GQjock

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    Oct 05, 2008 2:40 AM GMT
    Just saw Bill Maher's new movie
    Yeah he pokes fun at the Christians the Jews and the Muslims
    But it's kinda scary too

    because these demented people have the fingers on some dangerous weapons icon_eek.gif

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  • Delivis

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    Oct 05, 2008 6:56 AM GMT
    I think Bill Mahr is generally right on the topic of religion, but is completely irrational in his own ways, he is a huge believer in things like alternative medicine, for instance.


    Still, i want to see the movie..icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 05, 2008 8:32 AM GMT
    I am more interested in seeing olivers stones W ..

  • Koaa2

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    Oct 05, 2008 12:35 PM GMT
    Want to see both of them. Bill Maher is going to be here on Oct 11, can't wait to see him again in person.
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    Oct 05, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    I definitely need to see Religulous as soon as possible. I have a feeling it will coincide a lot with my own observations. We'll see...
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 05, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidWant to see both of them. Bill Maher is going to be here on Oct 11, can't wait to see him again in person.

    Don't get too close, he's supposedly a giant jerk.
    I'm looking forward to his move though.
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    Oct 05, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    from what i've seen from the preview, he seems very patronizing, aggressive and offensive towards people of faith. i am agnostic and a big lefty personally, but i feel his methods undercut his point (that people who believe in a higher power are idiots? that's progressive!) he is simply rude. and this is not the first example.
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 05, 2008 8:46 PM GMT
    webby saidfrom what i've seen from the preview, he seems very patronizing, aggressive and offensive towards people of faith. i am agnostic and a big lefty personally, but i feel his methods undercut his point (that people who believe in a higher power are idiots? that's progressive!) he is simply rude. and this is not the first example.

    Lately I've personally had a more difficult time being deferential towards believers. It's hard not to be patronizing to people who literally believe (selectively?) things written in a book thousands of years ago.
    I find it offensive when officials, elected or appointed, make important decisions based on their personal irrational belief systems on behalf of me.
    I haven't seen the movie but what is so rude or offensive about asking people to logically and rationally defend their belief systems? The answer it is not because they cannot logically or rationally defend them. These types of belief systems are purely based on emotions.

  • GQjock

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    Oct 05, 2008 10:06 PM GMT
    webby saidfrom what i've seen from the preview, he seems very patronizing, aggressive and offensive towards people of faith. i am agnostic and a big lefty personally, but i feel his methods undercut his point (that people who believe in a higher power are idiots? that's progressive!) he is simply rude. and this is not the first example.


    Rude, patronizing and offensive? Oh really?

    and when the Pope and Pat Robertson and their ilk say that when I die I'm goin' to hell in a hand basket .... I should send flowers?

    All's how you look at it ... to me he wasn't nearly rude, patronizing and offensive enough
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    Oct 05, 2008 10:14 PM GMT
    I feel as though I've been doing the same thing as Bill Maher in terms of asking religious people about their views... many of whom get offended so easily even after I tell them I just want to learn more about their way of thinking. I'm interested to see it on the big screen and by none other than Bill Maher. Previews look hilarious (or offensive, depending on how sensitive you are icon_razz.gif)
  • GQjock

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    Oct 05, 2008 10:32 PM GMT
    Hell has no fury as a religion scorned
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 06, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
    By analogy my problem with religious people is this:
    Let's say there is a very religious Fire Chief of a town. A fire breaks out and the Chief decides which fire will be put out based on the tenants of his religion. Any sane religious person would certainly not agree with this approach. And yet, continually important and vital decisions are based upon this irrational belief system at local, regional, national and global levels.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 06, 2008 3:12 AM GMT
    I liked him until he dressed up as dead Steve Irwin for Hallowen. I thought that was in poor taste-not funny to me at all.
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    Oct 06, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
    I saw the movie this afternoon. Quite funny. He makes some good points, but his arguments are undercut by his attitude at times. When he focuses on real, genuine questioning - vs going for the easy joke/laugh - it's both more revealing, exploratory, interesting, and funny.

    The scenes with his mom and sister are a hoot.
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    Oct 06, 2008 3:44 AM GMT
    I want to see it badly but my local theater doesnt have it have to go downtown...maybe next weekend. Is it true there's a dinosaur with a saddle in a museum somewhere haha.icon_lol.gif
  • sfnicolas

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    Oct 06, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    i saw the movie and loved the equal opportunity religion bashing & questioning (no faith is spared)

    and the film opens up a whole can of worms that's a joy to watch squirm around amongst friends as we talked about it all day...
  • Koaa2

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    Oct 06, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Koaa2 saidWant to see both of them. Bill Maher is going to be here on Oct 11, can't wait to see him again in person.

    Don't get too close, he's supposedly a giant jerk.
    I'm looking forward to his move though.


    I have seen him a couple of times already, he is hilarious in person.

    I wonder what kind of security precautions he takes, I bet he is on the top of some of these peoples list!
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    Oct 06, 2008 3:47 PM GMT
    Chuy2010 said Is it true there's a dinosaur with a saddle in a museum somewhere haha.icon_lol.gif


    Yes. It's a featured prop at the Creation Museum that is a major freeper attraction here in metro Cincinnati. Bill interviews the guy in charge of it...and he really is one of the more frightening people featured in the movie. His certainty of his righteousness even in his state of scientific ignorance chilled me to my core. In his eyes you see the insanity of faith gone wrong, in sharp contrast to the many people we encounter in the movie who even Bill admits are faith gone right.
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    Oct 06, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    My observations:

    I question anyone's logic that any book written thousands of years ago has no relevancy in this day and age. It seems the majority of the books written recently take many good and noble qualities from the Bible, Koran and the Torah to help people deal with modern day life issues.

    As a Muslim, I am not ignorant nor stupid because I study an ancient text and try to understand how it's teachings can help me be a better person in general. All three holy books guided and created many great civilizations - and many great thinkers, scientists and artists. Is anyone going to deny the beauty of Michelangelo's "David" or Spain's "Great Mosque of Córdoba?"

    I applaud Bill Maher for shaking up viewpoints and ritualistic ideologies of all three faiths.

    As one reviewer best described it - "Rather than talk to Bishop Desmond Tutu -- hey, how much fun would that be? -- he goes out and about, scouring the globe for people whose responses to his qualms will make facile cinema."

    That is my only concern about this film ... hey I LOVE Mel Brooks and all the fun he pokes at all faiths especially his own. So if this is a tongue and cheek film like "Borat" - great...I am willing to see it. But I don't think anyone should use this as a guide to know how any person of faith acts or behaves in general.

    Do we always need to go to one extreme viewpoint or another. What ever happened to moderate thinking and tolerance?

    Just my 2 cents ....have a good one....

  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 06, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Beefy_artist saidMy observations:

    I question anyone's logic that any book written thousands of years ago has no relevancy in this day and age. It seems the majority of the books written recently take many good and noble qualities from the Bible, Koran and the Torah to help people deal with modern day life issues.


    I wouldn't that simply because a book is very old it has no relevancy today. The Art of War, written many years ago is still relevant today.
    I've a problem with people who literally believe what is written in such an old text (e.g., the earth is 6,000, there was a global flood, a burning bush talked to someone).

    Many people feel inspired from religious books as you've mentioned but this is a double-edged sword. One can find as many noble tenets to live by as there are wicked tenets to live by. People simply pick and choose which to adhere to.

    I have tolerance as long as someone's religion doesn't impact me. Invariably it does though.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 06, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    One of the best parts in the movie
    Bill Maher talks with the head of the Vatican Obervatory
    who in NO UNCERTAIN Terms states that the bible cannot be taken literally when it comes to Science

    ...and one of the reasons he says so is because the bible love it or hate it
    was written 2000 years ago more or less

    ... and Science as we know it was only studied for the last 2-3 hundred years after the Enlightenment
    The problem is when a bunch of knuckle dragging yokels and I am not mincing words here
    If you believe that the bible is to be taken literally then you my friend are an idiot
    and your stance proves it ... period end of story
    If you want to take it as allegory or metaphor ... fine
    But it is NOT the word of God
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    Oct 06, 2008 4:28 PM GMT
    swimbikerunsaid:
    "I wouldn't that simply because a book is very old it has no relevancy today. The Art of War, written many years ago is still relevant today.
    I've a problem with people who literally believe what is written in such an old text (e.g., the earth is 6,000, there was a global flood, a burning bush talked to someone).

    Many people feel inspired from religious books as you've mentioned but this is a double-edged sword. One can find as many noble tenets to live by as there are wicked tenets to live by. People simply pick and choose which to adhere to.

    I have tolerance as long as someone's religion doesn't impact me. Invariably it does though."


    I agree that it does impact you and me!
    Living in the suburbs of Houston wasn't a pleasant experience at times for a Muslim. I grew tired of justifying my beliefs and who I was in general. Why should I apologize for being Arab or Muslim or Gay or HIV+. LOL!
    But as a Muslim I was thankful for the lessons I learned from my experience so far.
    I just hope my fellow Americans can start being moderate and not take things to such an extreme. This extremism attitude put us in a war we all want to end and $850 billion bailout of the economy.
    Is Bill Maher really showing us a moderate viewpoint or just going to TOTAL opposite direction of someone who is religious?
    That's all I am asking anyone to consider.
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    Oct 06, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    Beefy_artist said
    swimbikerunsaid:
    "I wouldn't that simply because a book is very old it has no relevancy today. The Art of War, written many years ago is still relevant today.
    I've a problem with people who literally believe what is written in such an old text (e.g., the earth is 6,000, there was a global flood, a burning bush talked to someone).

    Many people feel inspired from religious books as you've mentioned but this is a double-edged sword. One can find as many noble tenets to live by as there are wicked tenets to live by. People simply pick and choose which to adhere to.

    I have tolerance as long as someone's religion doesn't impact me. Invariably it does though."


    I agree that it does impact you and me!
    Living in the suburbs of Houston wasn't a pleasant experience at times for a Muslim. I grew tired of justifying my beliefs and who I was in general. Why should I apologize for being Arab or Muslim or Gay or HIV+. LOL!
    But as a Muslim I was thankful for the lessons I learned from my experience so far.
    I just hope my fellow Americans can start being moderate and not take things to such an extreme. This extremism attitude put us in a war we all want to end and $850 billion bailout of the economy.
    Is Bill Maher really showing us a moderate viewpoint or just going to TOTAL opposite direction of someone who is religious?
    That's all I am asking anyone to consider.
    I think someone who is the total opposite would be someone who denies the existence of god. Maher says he doesn't know if there is a god. That's really the only logical conclusion.
    Why should the standard of belief in any mainstream religion be different than anything else? These religions are only "true" because people believe they are. No one actively believes in Zeus so Hellenismos is dead as a religion.
    Beefy_artist what becomes of a faith when no one believes in it anymore?
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    Oct 06, 2008 5:13 PM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Beefy_artist what becomes of a faith when no one believes in it anymore?


    That is a difficult question. Hellenismos is still revered today - not as a faith but a history and system of thought in those ancient times.

    I even use some of the mythology in my art - The Phoenix - particularly. For me the better I am as a Muslim - the more decent a person I can become - the better the artist I can evolve to - the more caring of a human towards his fellow man. The stories of Torah/Bible/Quran teach me to be a caring man.

    Again I just want to emphasize the need to not disregard religion or these holy books on the basis of their antiquity or non-scientific background.

    Perhaps Moses didn't part the Red Sea - maybe something geological happened at that moment to allow the Jewish people to escape. There are some scientific data to indicate that a geological occurrance happened during the time of Moses. But is the story any less relevant today?

    The Quran does specifically describe the moment of copulation (when a sperm and egg become fertilized - zygote). It has only been recently that scholars have understand some passages because of the depth of meaning behind certain words.
    I find all this incredibly fascinating. Proof of mankind's ability to leap ahead of time in thought and actions - and grasp ideas.

    So Hellenismos is dead as a faith, but I hope it is never disregarded or considered irrelevant - especially in the gay community!

    BTW - I am not trying to "save" you here.
    Just trying to keep everyone's minds open to the possibility of what can be learned even from our "enemies" LOL




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    Oct 06, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    swimbikerun saidMaher says he doesn't know if there is a god. That's really the only logical conclusion.


    Quoted for truth reinforced via repetition.

    To presume to know what happens 'after life' is the height of human arrogance. You can have a belief about what you THINK happens, but you have no concrete, demonstrative proof that is HAPPENS as you believe.