Soy: Good or Bad?

  • nomad4life

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    Feb 18, 2013 2:03 AM GMT
    Alright, so I have a bit of lactose intolerance so I drink soy milk regularly. Well, my friend just told me that apparently men aren't supposed to take in soy especially while trying to build muscle. Something about estrogen and protein. Anyone know what the problem is and if it's true? Should I switch?
  • Ironman4U

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    Feb 18, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    There are lots of negatives about soy milk. From my quick google search, about 91% of the soy grown in the U.S. is Genetically Modified (GM) to make it resist the herbicide Roundup. Like everything else, there is lots of misleading info out there, but from what I understand, fermented soy (like tempeh) has some health benefits but soy milk and other non-fermented soy products have more cons than pros including:

    Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) genistein and daidzein, which mimic and sometimes block the hormone estrogen (which is why your friend mentioned the issue with women)

    Phytates, which block your body's uptake of minerals

    Enzyme Inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion

    Haemaggluttin, which causes red blood cells to clump together and inhibits oxygen take-up and growth

    High amounts of omega-6 fat, which is pro-inflammatory

    As far as alternatives, I would suggest Almond Milk.
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    Feb 18, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    No one knows for sure. The studies have been conflicting. The latest I've seen seems to show that the phyto-estrogens in soy don't cause any harm to men. Other plant-based food has higher amounts of phyto-estrogens, but we don't consume as much of those as we do soy.

    From what I've seen, it's OK to consume soy in moderation. You may want to stay away from it if you have a family history of prostate or breast cancer because some studies showed a higher likelihood of these cancers with soy consumption. Almond, rice, and coconut milk are other milk alternatives, but they don't have the protein and vitamins that soy milk does.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 18, 2013 4:09 AM GMT
    i have read that soy is bad for you as well. there are tons of research on it. however, most nutritionist will tell you if it is processed soy products to stay away from it. which includes things such as soy milk and hemp. i say go with almond milk.
  • Diplo

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    Feb 18, 2013 4:12 AM GMT
    I LOVE soy milk, but have recently switched to almond milk because of the plant based estrogen.

    My boyfriend had problems losing weight in his mid sections and I was have problems with moobs Our friend who is a vegatarian and a nurse recommended no more soy in our diets. So far so good, my moobs are getting firm and I can see his abs.

    Almond Milk is a better choice.
  • calibro

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    Feb 18, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    the okinawans eat a lot of soy...
  • GWriter

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    Feb 18, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    calibro saidthe okinawans eat a lot of soy...


    Soybeans (and what is "a lot"? are you just making this up?) are not the same as highly processed soy products found in the U.S.
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    Feb 18, 2013 4:39 AM GMT
    Soy is delicious. And tofu? Yum!
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 18, 2013 4:43 AM GMT
    huhwhat saidSoy is delicious. And tofu? Yum!
    soy beans are disgusting but good for you. however, when it has been highly processed than it is no longer good for you. tofu, is disgusting as well. yuck!
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    Feb 18, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    huhwhat saidSoy is delicious. And tofu? Yum!

    Tofu? No. Just no.
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    Feb 18, 2013 5:55 AM GMT
    Just a couple of links for reference. Everyone's body reacts differently to various foods and supplements. So if you're really concerned about any negative effects from eating soy, go see a doctor. He can perform tests and monitor your hormone levels.
    http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects
    http://www.naturalnews.com/022630_soy_food_phytic_acid.html
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    Feb 18, 2013 5:58 AM GMT
    Too much dairy makes me have fun in the bathroom so I get soy milk once in a while when I know I won't have time to be sitting on the toilet.
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  • calibro

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    Feb 18, 2013 6:00 AM GMT
    GWriter said
    calibro saidthe okinawans eat a lot of soy...


    Soybeans (and what is "a lot"? are you just making this up?) are not the same as highly processed soy products found in the U.S.


    no shit sherlock.

    "Because a number of authors have misunderstood the relationship between soy protein and soyfood, they’ve greatly underestimated the amount of soy in Japanese diets.

    Information about soy intake in Asia comes from a number of different resources including studies designed to examine the effects of diet on health, Japan’s National Nutrition Survey, and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations. The most important of these are the studies designed to look at diet and disease relationships because many of them evaluated soy intake comprehensively. That is, they recorded frequency, and amounts of all types of soy products consumed using validated dietary intake instruments.

    The results show a fairly wide range of intake among different countries and even within populations. While average Japanese intake is 1 to 1 ½ servings, the surveys reveal that the upper range among older Japanese—who would be expected to eat a more traditional diet—is about 3 servings of soyfoods per day."
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    Feb 18, 2013 6:12 AM GMT
    Not all soy are created equal...

    As others have eluded, it is FERMENTED soy that has shown to be beneficial. This includes miso, tempeh, natto, and soy sauce. This is mainly because the process of fermentation neutralizes the phyric acid found in soy (and other legumes). Also, as with all fermented foods, fermented soy is very beneficial in recolonizing the friendly bacteria in our gut, which as we know has many positive health effects, including the boosting of our immune system. P.S. since the majority of soy in the U.S. is genetically modified, going organic AND unfermented is the optimal way to go!
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    Feb 18, 2013 6:13 AM GMT
    huhwhat saidSoy is delicious. And tofu? Yum!


    Ever had flavored tofu? I went to an Asian market in New Jersey and they sold mango flavored tofu. It was so delish! I haven't found anything similar since.
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    Feb 18, 2013 11:16 AM GMT
    I am no expert but from what I know the biggest problem with soy is the genetic modification. Over 90% of soy is genetically modified to resist/absorb the deadly weed killer Roundup. There have been limited study of what effect this fraken-bean will have on humans
  • gwuinsf

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    Feb 18, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    While there is a lot of controversy revolving around Soy, there isn't any controversy around almonds so I'd say just go with almond milk.
  • nomad4life

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    Feb 19, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    Well...almond milk it is. Never had it so experimentation. Thanks for the responses (and the Sweet Brown meme, that made my day!)
  • FRE0

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    Feb 19, 2013 3:06 AM GMT
    I recommend that you stop eating. That is the only way to avoid all foods that someone thinks are bad.
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    Feb 19, 2013 6:23 AM GMT
    say NO to Soy!!!
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    Feb 19, 2013 6:28 AM GMT
    I was like guzzling silk very vanilla soy milk all winter, I gave it up a few days ago and already see better definition in my stomach/legs/chest.

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    Feb 19, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
    Very true! and it lowers your sperm count, libido, and screws with testosterone production. I drink it but rarely now. I drink almond milk instead. It's just a s good!
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    Feb 19, 2013 8:15 AM GMT
    you should stop eating any soy or dairy products...fruits and veggies have what you need ... we are not growing babies anymore no need for dairy any more.
  • wesv

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    Feb 20, 2013 6:49 AM GMT
    I've heard both pros and cons about soy. It's good protein, but it's toxic (when not fermented) and has estrogen. I've been staying away from soy for a year now. But soy is in everything we eat. So I'm still having soy in some degree.