When it comes to autism, some people are just ignorant.

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    Feb 18, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    Not really a category this could have gone under so I'm going to put it here.

    There is very few things that enrage me, but some people's ignorance and negative reactions towards people with autism is one of these things.

    I have worked with autistic children off and on over the years. Plus now, for 6 years I have proudly have had a foster brother (i just call him my brother now) who happens to be severely autistic and has a few minor physical problems as well. Along with this he is partially blind and deaf, and is one of the biggest inspirations in my life. I'd do anything for him and defend him with all my heart. He can't speak, but does make sounds and you contribute the kind of sounds he makes by the emotion he is trying to express. And often yes, they can be loud.

    The majority of the time people in public have been great and understanding, often I have curious people come up and ask me questions. Others though simply, have been assholes. My purpose for writing this came from two instances. The first was when i was on a date and the guy proceeded to make fun of an autistic child near us and say, "why would they even bring him out into public". Which resulted me in telling him off and the date lasting 15 minutes. And yesterday when i was out to dinner with friends a guy asked a family if they could make their autistic child be quiet. Which again had me up and over there "politely" telling the man he should stop being ignorant and go finish his meal or leave himself and to stop harassing the family.

    Socially yes people with autism are different, but them and their families have every single right to be out in public settings. In my opinion having lived and worked with these amazing people, you quickly change your view that autism is some sort of disability. They just think and act in a different way and face more challenges then other people.

    If you're "one of those people", please go to this link or others online and educate yourself.
    http://www.autismcanada.org/aboutautism/index.html


    ABC's What Would You Do? did a piece on this as well.

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    Feb 18, 2013 9:48 PM GMT
    If the restaurant would tolerate a noisy infant, then why not a noisy autistic person?

    If it were a quiet white table cloth establishment I might complain to the waiter and ask to be moved.
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    Feb 20, 2013 6:30 AM GMT
    Fortis said If it were a quiet white table cloth establishment I might complain to the waiter and ask to be moved.


    Which is fine. I'm talking more in regards to people's attitudes and how they rudely approach families. Just with my family (and im sure others) we never venture into a fancier establishment just because of the food selection. My brother is kinda picky when it comes to food and the fancier stuff never really did anything for him. He would have lived off of mac and cheese if we'd have let him!
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    Feb 20, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
    My one and only nephew is 6 and severely autistic. I love him so much icon_biggrin.gif It's challenging of course and I can see how people who haven't had close and constant contact with someone with autism would be ignorant to many of its particular aspects/ways of functioning.
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    Feb 20, 2013 7:36 AM GMT
    As a person studying disability studies, it is alarming the prejudice and ignorrance that exist in our society today. More and more people are chosen to enlighten themselves about people with disability, while others simply assume they don't exist. The result can often be seen iN the way xpeople with disability are treated by society. They are marginalized economically and socially and are often subjected to several forms of discriminatory attitude. You have done a very good thing by advocating for your brother on both occasion. Next time, I will suggest you take some time to talk to them about what it is like for that person to be in that position and how much inclusion is needed to bring them to a state where they are not afraid of their disability. Thanks for sharing. It really makses me sad to hear this.
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    Feb 20, 2013 7:46 AM GMT
    OMG I have in the past done so much work with children and teens with autism, a lot of early intervention; sadly many families can not afford that.

    Anyhow I am lucky that I took a teen out for lunch every weekend, and over all our outings were positive from the places we ate at.
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    Feb 20, 2013 8:02 AM GMT
    Thank you.
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    Feb 20, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
    I guess I should mention that these two instances were the only times this has happened to me and both times I did suggest they go check out Autism Canada. But after posting i received this email from a pictureless member:

    FacelessIn addition to looking at the situation from the point of view of the autistic kid and his family, one also has to look at the reasonable expectations of others as well. What struck me from what you wrote is that either Canada is full of flaming assholes or else the autistic kid must have been making one hell of a racket such that it finally provoked the guy into saying something to the people. If the latter were the case, then I would say it was the family of the autistic kid who were being rude and inconsiderate. Obviously, one is not required to discommode one's own life totally just because some others in society have some sort of unfortunate affliction; it all depends on the circumstances. If the autistic person cannot conduct themselves in a given public setting at least to the maximum extreme of reasonable acceptability, then yes, they should not bring the kid there until such time as he learns acceptable enough behavior. It is unfortunate, but the world does not revolve around autism, pure and simple.

    This really has little to do with the autistic child anyway, but rather with whomever is in charge of any child. If the child will not conform his behavior acceptably, the reasonable parent or person in charge vacates the premises with the child and lectures and/or punishes the child regarding acceptable behavior.
    That is just plain good manners. Properly handled, the parent should not have an issue the next time the child is out in public. Obviously, this tactic may not be as effectively administered in the case of an autistic child, but nonetheless, the child's outbursts do not automatically trump the right to peaceable enjoyment of others in the vicinity, consistent with the circumstances.

    This situation is somewhat analogous to "normal" people talking in the theatre, rummaging in purses for hard candy with stiff cellophane wrappers to eat during quiet passages in symphony concerts, texting on cell phones in a theatre during the play or concert, and bringing an inappropriately young child or infant to such a venue and not exiting when the child starts crying. It is simply horrendously rude, and yes, such people do need to be confronted verbally, assuming a deliberate stoney stare doesn't register with them.

    It is nice that you are so close to your foster brother, as the poor kid must have had it additionally rough if he couldn't be with his own family. I have dealt extensively over the past 40 some years with a similar situation except with a very bright schizophrenic. I have found that one must be quick on one's wits to keep situations within the acceptable norms, which on occasions have produced situations which have greatly amused me. If you continue your law studies, one day you may appreciate such vignettes!


    Alright. You're operating under the idea that raising an autistic child can be done in the same way as a non-autisitc child (in terms of discipline, teaching social do and don'ts etc.) But it is far more complicated then that depending on the type and severity of the Autism. For example my brother, who has very very poor eye sight, partially death and can't speak (due to his hearing disability). How do you "teach social protocol in a situation like this? In the two situations I talked about here, the first the guy was just making fun of him and the second involved a child similar (from first impressions) to my brother in terms he makes noises. It was never anything crazy loud, just making noises and laughing. After i talked to the guy, i had a few people come up later (other diners) and say thanks for saying something to the guy.

    With this to, I have to say yes some autistic children can be taught social etiquette like any other kid, but when they become frustrated, angry, scared and act out, not much you can do to change that at the time besides leave where you are (most parents know no one else wants to hear the outburst). But that can even be a challenge depending on the size and strength of the child or adult. It's a an extremely complicated process to raise a child with autism and the way you approach learning is going to be different and there is so much we still don't understand about it.

    I'm not saying families like mine get a free pass in public settings for when things occur, I'm just saying in some situations people can be a little more understanding.

    Plus this has always been a good educational video in my opinion.

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    Feb 20, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
    Most children with so-called 'disabilities' have so much to teach us! They are beautiful.
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    Finally someone with balls on this site.

    +1!
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.



    By your reasoning then I should not be here. I grew up with Aspergers Syndrome and, at a young age anyway, my behavior could be just as disruptive in public as someone with lower-functioning autism. I find your reasoning despicable, inhumane, and resembling the reasoning used by Nazi leaders in their efforts to "purify" the population. Some day stem cell research will be legal and afflictions such as autism and parkinson's disease may become treatable. However in the meanwhile let us all hope that your narrow-minded impression of special-needs individuals remains confined to just as narrow a sliver of the population.
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    Finally someone with balls on this site.

    +1!


    You call that haveing balls; they must be small.

    Would you be so tolerant of a christian looking at homosexuality as a disability, or mental health issue, and saying: I would rather be dead than be a poofter, the outcry from the liberal haters here at RJ would be deferning.
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    Feb 20, 2013 9:57 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.



    By your reasoning then I should not be here. I grew up with Aspergers Syndrome and, at a young age anyway, my behavior could be just as disruptive in public as someone with lower-functioning autism. I find your reasoning despicable, inhumane, and resembling the reasoning used by Nazi leaders in their efforts to "purify" the population. Some day stem cell research will be legal and afflictions such as autism and parkinson's disease may become treatable. However in the meanwhile let us all hope that your narrow-minded impression of special-needs individuals remains confined to just as narrow a sliver of the population.


    Amen.
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    By your reasoning then I should not be here. I grew up with Aspergers Syndrome and, at a young age anyway, my behavior could be just as disruptive in public as someone with lower-functioning autism. I find your reasoning despicable, inhumane, and resembling the reasoning used by Nazi leaders in their efforts to "purify" the population. Some day stem cell research will be legal and afflictions such as autism and parkinson's disease may become treatable. However in the meanwhile let us all hope that your narrow-minded impression of special-needs individuals remains confined to just as narrow a sliver of the population.


    yourname2000 was just being self-referential, and exclaiming his astonishment at human compassion. icon_lol.gif

    Anyway think on this:

    Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.jpg


    Wir stehen nicht allein: "We do not stand alone". Nazi propaganda poster from 1936. The woman is holding a baby and the man is holding a shield inscribed with the title of Nazi Germany's 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring (their compulsory sterilization law). The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surrounded by the flags of nations which had enacted (to the left) or were considering (bottom and to the right) similar legislation.

    The countries which had enacted compulsory sterilization laws (and the date shown) were:

    United States (date illegible; Indiana enacted first laws in 1907)
    Denmark (1929)
    Norway (1934)
    Sweden (1935)
    Finland (1935?)

    The countries where sterilization laws were being considered were:

    Hungary
    United Kingdom
    Switzerland
    Poland
    Japan
    Latvia
    Lithuania

    The German National Socialists were merely following the United States. Perhaps it was unnecessary of you to Godwin so suddenly when you had an example much closer to home to draw upon.

    Enjoy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

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    Feb 20, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.

    Who died and made you judge over what life is worth living? Maybe you'd change your mind if you or a loved one were left incapacitated after an accident and you didn't know whether that status was temporary or permanent.
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    Feb 20, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    Carley in the "Girl with Autism" video is one of the most encouraging and heart warming clips I have ever watched.

    Well done to her.
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    Feb 20, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    Finally someone with balls on this site.

    +1!
    . I have lost all respect for these two individuals. You are so egocentric to the extent that you refuse to understand the challenges that might face people with Autism. I will not stand here and listen to you go on about such nonsense and refuse to say something. Both of you seems educated enough, yet the amount of ignorance that exist within you is alarming. Some people have hard time controlling their attitude in society. It is not something they choose, it is a neurological conditions that they have absolutely no control over. Asking that they be secluded from society is very inconsiderate and disturbing.
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    Feb 20, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidIt's time to start picking and choosing what offspring are healthy enough to survive, add to the species, and procreate (imo). Plenty of places are doing this, to their credit, and it's just misplaced "Christian charity" that we fawn over the incapacitated in the west and think we're being noble keeping someone alive in such suffering.

    So yeah, I believe in abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, capital punishment (for waaaaaay more crimes than it's been used for before) and pretty much any form of death that challenges the human species. Without it, we're set to "devolve" rather than evolve.

    Don't like my opinion? Tough titty. I don't like yours either. But at least we're both sound of mind and body enough to have one and articulate it. icon_wink.gif


    Could you please give some examples of states whose racial hygiene policies you are in admiration of just now? icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 21, 2013 5:54 AM GMT
    Fortis said
    RoadsterRacer87 said
    By your reasoning then I should not be here. I grew up with Aspergers Syndrome and, at a young age anyway, my behavior could be just as disruptive in public as someone with lower-functioning autism. I find your reasoning despicable, inhumane, and resembling the reasoning used by Nazi leaders in their efforts to "purify" the population. Some day stem cell research will be legal and afflictions such as autism and parkinson's disease may become treatable. However in the meanwhile let us all hope that your narrow-minded impression of special-needs individuals remains confined to just as narrow a sliver of the population.


    yourname2000 was just being self-referential, and exclaiming his astonishment at human compassion. icon_lol.gif

    Anyway think on this:

    Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.jpg


    Wir stehen nicht allein: "We do not stand alone". Nazi propaganda poster from 1936. The woman is holding a baby and the man is holding a shield inscribed with the title of Nazi Germany's 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring (their compulsory sterilization law). The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surrounded by the flags of nations which had enacted (to the left) or were considering (bottom and to the right) similar legislation.

    The countries which had enacted compulsory sterilization laws (and the date shown) were:

    United States (date illegible; Indiana enacted first laws in 1907)
    Denmark (1929)
    Norway (1934)
    Sweden (1935)
    Finland (1935?)

    The countries where sterilization laws were being considered were:

    Hungary
    United Kingdom
    Switzerland
    Poland
    Japan
    Latvia
    Lithuania

    The German National Socialists were merely following the United States. Perhaps it was unnecessary of you to Godwin so suddenly when you had an example much closer to home to draw upon.

    Enjoy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

    icon_eek.gif


    I think this hit the nail right on the head.

    Well then if reincarnation is trueicon_lol.gif The jews needs to get over their grief, as their loved ones will be reborn and live againicon_rolleyes.gif

    All my lost mates murdered with the HIV Virus, will be reborn, and maybe next time around may get to live past 30; shame the nazis never had this for their propaganda.

    Heaven and hell are on this earth, here and now, and when we die, we become compost and that it; there is no rebirth, or afterlife.
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    tru_blu_aussie said
    Fortis said
    RoadsterRacer87 said
    By your reasoning then I should not be here. I grew up with Aspergers Syndrome and, at a young age anyway, my behavior could be just as disruptive in public as someone with lower-functioning autism. I find your reasoning despicable, inhumane, and resembling the reasoning used by Nazi leaders in their efforts to "purify" the population. Some day stem cell research will be legal and afflictions such as autism and parkinson's disease may become treatable. However in the meanwhile let us all hope that your narrow-minded impression of special-needs individuals remains confined to just as narrow a sliver of the population.


    yourname2000 was just being self-referential, and exclaiming his astonishment at human compassion. icon_lol.gif

    Anyway think on this:

    Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.jpg


    Wir stehen nicht allein: "We do not stand alone". Nazi propaganda poster from 1936. The woman is holding a baby and the man is holding a shield inscribed with the title of Nazi Germany's 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring (their compulsory sterilization law). The couple is in front of a map of Germany, surrounded by the flags of nations which had enacted (to the left) or were considering (bottom and to the right) similar legislation.

    The countries which had enacted compulsory sterilization laws (and the date shown) were:

    United States (date illegible; Indiana enacted first laws in 1907)
    Denmark (1929)
    Norway (1934)
    Sweden (1935)
    Finland (1935?)

    The countries where sterilization laws were being considered were:

    Hungary
    United Kingdom
    Switzerland
    Poland
    Japan
    Latvia
    Lithuania

    The German National Socialists were merely following the United States. Perhaps it was unnecessary of you to Godwin so suddenly when you had an example much closer to home to draw upon.

    Enjoy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

    icon_eek.gif


    I think this hit the nail right on the head.

    Well then if reincarnation is trueicon_lol.gif The jews needs to get over their grief, as their loved ones will be reborn and live againicon_rolleyes.gif

    All my lost mates murdered with the HIV Virus, will be reborn, and maybe next time around may get to live past 30; shame the nazis never had this for their propaganda.

    Heaven and hell are on this earth, here and now, and when we die, we become compost and that it; there is no rebirth, or afterlife.


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    Mar 01, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    You, my "friend," are a raging asshole. As far as our species wasting resources: if anyone ever loved you, nurtured you, paid for your education or health care; that was a waste. Let me guess: you're single. DICK !!!
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    NotThatOld saidCarley in the "Girl with Autism" video is one of the most encouraging and heart warming clips I have ever watched.

    Well done to her.


    I recommend the book "Born on a Blue Day." It's the auto-biography of an autistic savant. You may have seen him on the Discovery Channel as the man who broke the record reciting Pi (he did it as a fundraiser). It's a neat glimpse into the mind of an autistic person.
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    Finally someone with balls on this site.

    +1!


    You mean like the "balls" required for someone with your physique to pose topless on a "JOCK" bulletin board. Yikers !!!
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    yourname2000 saidI'm glad there're people like you in the world, because I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for such things. I never understand why we as a species waste resources on members who are incapable of supporting themselves, much less contribute. So, as the contrarian voice in a sea of bleeding hearts, let me say: this is about as important to god's creation as having a hobby of collecting river rocks or making paper dolls. If it's how you want to waste your time, it's your time to waste, so have at 'er.

    Harsh? Sure. But too often these threads devolve into circle-jerks of soft-touches congratulating themselves on how "forward thinking" they are. It it was me, I'd rather die at birth than suffer through the misery of being one of these human pets my entire life. "Kill it...so it can be reborn anew" ...and fixed this time.


    Finally someone with balls on this site.

    +1!


    You mean like the "balls" required for someone with your physique to pose topless on a "JOCK" bulletin board. Yikers !!!


    I'm damn hot so that doesn't take balls.

    What does take balls though is being a washed up hag who is 50, married and joined a site looking for 'hookups".

    Take your std farm elsewhere whore, no one has time for that here.
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    Mar 01, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
    I find this clip a bit disingenuous...

    The editing of the piece doesn't really get into how long this behaviour went on, nor did the actors involved actually deal directly with the rest of the public (in regards to stealing of the french fries) so who's to say what would've happened.

    My personal take: if kids were hyperactive at the table I'd want to say something to the parents just as i would comment to a group of rowdy teenagers. You can be civil and yet still stand your ground. I do the same when people don't follow sidewalk or transit etiquette.