No Black Nurses Request

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    Feb 20, 2013 9:01 PM GMT
    I saw this article today and my first reaction was "she has every right to sue" but then wondered....what exactly was the damage? She didn't have to take care of a racist bastard's child. Why is it okay to accommodate a patient's request of a male or female nurse? It raises a lot of questions....thoughts?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/no-black-nurses-request-draws-lawsuit-173026275--abc-news-health.html
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    Feb 20, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    rugbyguyfl saidI saw this article today and my first reaction was "she has every right to sue" but then wondered....what exactly was the damage? She didn't have to take care of a racist bastard's child. Why is it okay to accommodate a patient's request of a male or female nurse? It raises a lot of questions....thoughts?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/no-black-nurses-request-draws-lawsuit-173026275--abc-news-health.html


    requesting a specific gender nurse for (eg) dealing with nudity or to discuss sexual questions strikes me as quite reasonable. Saying that you would not want a eg a male nurse caring for your baby in intensive care is not. In one case you are being sensitive to legitimate concerns which would directly change their patient experience , in the latter case the baby gets no different care, is aware of no difference and it simply panders to people´s social agendas. It´s really not that hard to imagine how guidelines could be drawn up, but in this case the nurse is right to sue and the hospital should have declined to enable the racist father.
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    Feb 20, 2013 9:55 PM GMT
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    Feb 20, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    Saw that...I wonder what would've happened if his newborn who was in the NICU would've had a crisis and only a black nurse would have known how to save the creature?
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    Feb 20, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    If that child becomes orphaned before it's old enough know its father's hatred, I won't be upset.
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    Feb 21, 2013 6:30 AM GMT
    The problem is the father of the child was able to enforce his racist views or demands which were carried out by the hospital. I really don't have a problem w/ some racist bastard requesting that a white nurse take care of his child... So what. I do have a problem w/ the charge nurse making a sign for all and basically any staff employeed by the hospital to see. Doctors, nurses, enviormental, nutrition etc...
    Why couldn't the charge nurse have a staff meeting setting the guide lines for this parents request? A sign is so 1950-60's
    But then again considering how many ppl swear that because we have a blk president racisim no longer exists I have to wonder if this really happenend. After all isn't it his preference to have a white nurse! Lol
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    Feb 21, 2013 6:58 AM GMT
    Hillie saidThe problem is the father of the child was able to enforce his racist views or demands which were carried out by the hospital. I really don't have a problem w/ some racist bastard requesting that a white nurse take care of his child... So what. I do have a problem w/ the charge nurse making a sign for all and basically any staff employeed by the hospital to see. Doctors, nurses, enviormental, nutrition etc...
    Why couldn't the charge nurse have a staff meeting setting the guide lines for this parents request? A sign is so 1950-60's
    But then again considering how many ppl swear that because we have a blk president racisim no longer exists I have to wonder if this really happenend. After all isn't it his preference to have a white nurse! Lol


    It wasn't a sign. It was a note attached to the infants clipboard.

    It sounds more like a nurse who found a financial out to retire on, as opposed to an individual experiencing 'distress, harassment and humiliation.'. This is yet another frivolous lawsuit that so defines the American legal system.
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    Feb 21, 2013 9:46 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf that child becomes orphaned before it's old enough know its father's hatred, I won't be upset.


    Thank you for never breeding then.
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    Feb 21, 2013 9:52 AM GMT
    tru_blu_aussie said
    paulflexes saidIf that child becomes orphaned before it's old enough know its father's hatred, I won't be upset.


    Thank you for never breeding then.


    Spewing venom yet again I see. Didn't your mother teach you that if you haven't anything nice to say then don't say anything!
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    Feb 21, 2013 10:13 AM GMT
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    tru_blu_aussie said
    paulflexes saidIf that child becomes orphaned before it's old enough know its father's hatred, I won't be upset.


    Thank you for never breeding then.


    Spewing venom yet again I see. Didn't your mother teach you that if you haven't anything nice to say then don't say anything!


    It does go on and on, doesn't it? And it hangs arond like a noxious gas... chile con carne fumes, hahahah.
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    Feb 21, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    The woman is doing all of us a favor. If she does not pursue this, it will set a very bad precedent/example. What's next? A demand from a patient to exclude gay nurses, unattractive nurses, chubby nurses, Catholic nurses, older nurses, Canadian nurses, Asian nurses, etc.? You see where this is going. What I love about America is that there are many people here who will fight for their rights and the rights of others--highly principled people who are wiling to take on the establishment.
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    Feb 21, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
    DOMINUS saidThe woman is doing all of us a favor. If she does not pursue this, it will set a very bad precedent/example. What's next? A demand from a patient to exclude gay nurses, unattractive nurses, chubby nurses, Catholic nurses, older nurses, Canadian nurses, Asian nurses, etc.? You see where this is going. What I love about America is that there are many people here who will fight for their rights and the rights of others--highly principled people who are wiling to take on the establishment.


    +1

    I really wonder what the reaction would be if a Black father demands that no White nurses, only Black, care for his infant?
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    Feb 21, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
    intensity69 said
    ozgreenguy said
    tru_blu_aussie said
    paulflexes saidIf that child becomes orphaned before it's old enough know its father's hatred, I won't be upset.

    Thank you for never breeding then.

    Spewing venom yet again I see. Didn't your mother teach you that if you haven't anything nice to say then don't say anything!

    It does go on and on, doesn't it? And it hangs around like a noxious gas... chile con carne fumes, hahahah.

    Or rather, gas from eating kangaroo on the barbie?

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    Feb 21, 2013 2:58 PM GMT
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    DOMINUS saidThe woman is doing all of us a favor. If she does not pursue this, it will set a very bad precedent/example. What's next? A demand from a patient to exclude gay nurses, unattractive nurses, chubby nurses, Catholic nurses, older nurses, Canadian nurses, Asian nurses, etc.? You see where this is going. What I love about America is that there are many people here who will fight for their rights and the rights of others--highly principled people who are wiling to take on the establishment.


    +1

    I really wonder what the reaction would be if a Black father demands that no White nurses, only Black, care for his infant?


    I only want muscular, straight-acting homosexual nurses!
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    turbobilly saidI only want muscular, straight-acting homosexual nurses!


    want? I DEMAND it!
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
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    turbobilly saidI only want muscular, straight-acting homosexual nurses!


    want? I DEMAND it!


    With hairy chests and at least 18-inch biceps!
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  • imbrad

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    Feb 21, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
    That nurse needs to think about the patient, not her own "distress, harassment and humiliation". I don't agree with the nazi bastard but something has to be said for putting patient care first. I know it's not the same but I have been treated differently by patients (and doctors) because I am a male. Some people don't want a male dental assistant working on them. It's stupid but... I'm not so I'm ok with that. If your personal wellbeing is so delicate that some nazi breeder can upset you so much you need to go look in the mirror and give yourself a hug.
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    turbobilly said
    I only want muscular, straight-acting homosexual nurses!

    Actually my gaydar has alerted on most of the male hospital nurses I've had assigned to me in recent years. In fact, a gay friend of mine, at whose home we often partied, is a hospital nurse.

    Though one time, when I was a patient for 2 weeks in the VA hospital in Madison, Wisonsin, I was convinced my male nurse was gay, but I was afraid to approach him. Things are different now, but in 2005 I was afraid my VA records would be stamped "HOMOSEXUAL" and create discrimination in my medical care, about the only circumstance where I've ever been closeted (prior to coming out I was in denial, even to myself, believing myself to be straight).

    But finally I took the chance, as my discharge day there approached, and I'd have an extra free day to explore Madison on my own, awaiting my government transportation back home. My nurse confirmed that he was gay, but was a poor source for knowing the gay hangouts in Madison, since he didn't use them himself. Maybe he was closeted in that city, too, for career reasons within the VA.
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
    Well I think there are really 2 issues here among perhaps a number more.

    Primarily, does the father have the right to stipulate who and what kind of nurse can (or should) care for an infant?

    How does a black nurse suffer "humiliation" and great distress because of a bigot?

    The hospital has to follow a course of action dictated by law, if this request falls outside of it, the answer should be no. The bigot can get medical service at a hospital or establishment that can follow such a request.

    As far as the black nurse, not sure how she was humiliated. She was attempting to help the child of a bigoted person, most reasonable people would recognize that. It is an interesting case and would be interesting to follow....
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:50 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Hillie saidThe problem is the father of the child was able to enforce his racist views or demands which were carried out by the hospital. I really don't have a problem w/ some racist bastard requesting that a white nurse take care of his child... So what. I do have a problem w/ the charge nurse making a sign for all and basically any staff employeed by the hospital to see. Doctors, nurses, enviormental, nutrition etc...
    Why couldn't the charge nurse have a staff meeting setting the guide lines for this parents request? A sign is so 1950-60's
    But then again considering how many ppl swear that because we have a blk president racisim no longer exists I have to wonder if this really happenend. After all isn't it his preference to have a white nurse! Lol


    It wasn't a sign. It was a note attached to the infants clipboard.

    It sounds more like a nurse who found a financial out to retire on, as opposed to an individual experiencing 'distress, harassment and humiliation.'. This is yet another frivolous lawsuit that so defines the American legal system.


    When you've been treated like worthless shit because of your skin color over and over again, and when you know what actually constitutes a frivolous lawsuit, then feel free to write such nonsense.
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    Feb 21, 2013 3:59 PM GMT

    HndsmKansan asked,
    "How does a black nurse suffer "humiliation" and great distress because of a bigot?"

    It was public. The sign was put up in a place any staff or visiting person could see. Clipboards are often kept at the foot of the bed in plain view in an open sleeve type holder.

    "Please, No African American Nurses to care for [redacted] Baby per Dad's request. Thank you," read a note that was attached to the baby's clipboard and obtained by ABC affiliate WJRT in Flint, Mich. This followed a staff meeting and a call to the nurse's home to inform her of the decision, according to the complaint.
    A hospital lawyer eventually told the staff this was illegal, but the lawsuit alleges that black nurses were intentionally not assigned to the baby for the remainder of its stay in the hospital over the next month."

    Some gay people would be equally upset if the sign had said no gay staff.

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    Feb 21, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    HndsmKansan asked,
    "How does a black nurse suffer "humiliation" and great distress because of a bigot?"

    It was public. The sign was put up in a place any staff or visiting person could see. Clipboards are often kept at the foot of the bed in plain view in an open sleeve type holder.

    "Please, No African American Nurses to care for [redacted] Baby per Dad's request. Thank you," read a note that was attached to the baby's clipboard and obtained by ABC affiliate WJRT in Flint, Mich. This followed a staff meeting and a call to the nurse's home to inform her of the decision, according to the complaint.
    A hospital lawyer eventually told the staff this was illegal, but the lawsuit alleges that black nurses were intentionally not assigned to the baby for the remainder of its stay in the hospital over the next month."

    Some gay people would be equally upset if the sign had said no gay staff.



    Thank you, meninlove. The world would be a better place if more of us--even LGBT people--did the EXTRA MIND WORK required to empathize with people different from us. The problem is, too many of us are too lazy or too selfish to make the effort.
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    Feb 21, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    To BlkMuscleGent, you were far more precise and visceral with this:

    " When you've been treated like worthless shit because of your skin color over and over again.."

    For some reason, so many think this is ancient history like Christ's birth, but in reality bigotry is a lot more widespread than appearances, and this example at the hospital shows how readily people capitulate to it rather than confront it.

    I'm intrigued that some opinions are that the nurse is hypersensitive or overboard. I'd rather consider her feelings than that of the bigot that was catered to.
  • imbrad

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    Feb 21, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
    Over the course of the entire month the woman could have gone to her superiors and asked to be assigned to that patient. If the hospital told her no then she would have a lawsuit. She simply wasn't assigned to the racist family. This is not discrimination, it's a non issue that didn't need to be pushed, so they didn't. She could have handled this internally or MAYBE taught the guy something about love, compassion, change, professionalism...

    Nazi doesn't want a black nurse? Fine. People are wrong a lot of the time, go do your job.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:27 AM GMT
    In the course of my healthcare career, I've only had a small handful of patients who prefer not to have male nurses take care of them. When I hear this, I just don't give a shit because I can easily move on to another assignment and give quality care to those who really need it.