THE PALIN GOVENOR: She pulls the "Ayers" association out of her hat; sign of desperation? Is the Keating association fair game?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 06, 2008 10:13 PM GMT
    So we saw the Palin govenor talking about how Obama is "a pal" of Ayers
    even though the associations involved memberships on Boards (mostly for educational purposes). Mr. Ayers had been a "Vietnam radical" years before in the 1960's and early 70's. The Board membership included Obama, Ayers and a number of both democrats and republicans.

    I think its a sign of desperation. Should Obama talk about McCain's relationship with Charles Keating back in the early 90's?
  • GQjock

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    Oct 06, 2008 11:26 PM GMT
    You know what?

    What the HELL was the Obama Camp waiting for?
    The Keating 5 assoc should have been trotted out months ago
    John McCain was rebuked by the ethics committee over this

    This is why I get pissed off by the democrats
    they don't learn from whats thrown at them
    If they want to play dirty there's PLENTY more where that came from

    Sara Palin wants guilt by assoc?
    What about her husband TODD!!! being part of a group calling for Alaska to separate from the United States? Can you imagine if Mrs Biden was part of that group?
    Palin's Church ... where she has gone since she was a little girl
    Had a Conference to change Homosexuals into Heterosexuals through the power of prayer
    Had the head of the Group Jews for Jesus when Sara was there in the pews
    a man who has stated that the attacks on Isreal is because of their "Non-belief"

    This kind of stuff needs to be exposed and show them up to be the hypocrits that they are
  • Koaa2

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    Oct 07, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    I think it is fair game, and the video is excellent that they came out with today. I couldn't get it on here for some reason. Will keep trying. It ties McCain to the corruption that was going on, and emphasizes that he still want to deregulate everything.
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    Oct 07, 2008 1:35 AM GMT
    I think the Keating 5 coming open now is perfect timing...we are only 4 weeks out from Obama being voted as our future president.
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    Oct 07, 2008 1:44 AM GMT
    well if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.

    I heard Sarah Palin was such an ungrateful child that she threw up and crapped all over her Mother....that's so awful...she must be a terrible person.
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    clearly they are just grasping at straws now and falling back on the oh-so-tired Republican smear tactics...and since McCain is so frickin' old and doesn't have the energy to do it...he has his little bitch pit bull do it for him. It's just so obvious.
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    Oct 07, 2008 1:51 AM GMT
    GQjock saidYou know what?

    What the HELL was the Obama Camp waiting for?
    The Keating 5 assoc should have been trotted out months ago
    John McCain was rebuked by the ethics committee over this

    This is why I get pissed off by the democrats
    they don't learn from whats thrown at them
    If they want to play dirty there's PLENTY more where that came from


    I disagree. If the Obama camp brought the issue up around say...August, it'd be old news by now. Just like Ayers. Clinton vetted the shit outta Obama and all thats left is to go through old issues. McCain and Palin. Oh! A closet full of skeletons. Why throw around all your October surprises when your doing well? Why not throw fresh bones when their throwing around dust?
  • Menergy_1

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:20 PM GMT
    I put this up in another thread -- it fits here nicely too!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSXGTFQ0Ak

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    The Keating 5 scandal and how McCain was involved in this is absolutely fair game. I hope America will learn everything about it and educate themselves. McCain was completely exonerated of any wrong doing, and was reprimanded by congress only for making a bad decision, NOT for anything criminal at all...end of story.

    Obama needs to answer some very valid concerns about his past associations that he has managed to play down and poo-poo up until now. I suspect that McCain will begin the process of pinning Obama to the wall so that he answers to these associations clearly and honestly. That isn't desperation. McCain would be remiss not to do this. America deserves to know who Obama is, not just the glossy slick "Only in America" story Obama has been peddling to the masses.

  • auryn

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    http://www.keatingeconomics.com

    You must not have seen this HK.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:40 PM GMT
    fluxu8 saidwell if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.



    It wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.

    I also have a BIG problem with Obama pretending that he warned against the current mortgage banking crisis 2 years ago, when he knows damn well that it was President Bush who warned against it as early as 2003, and John McCain who actually wrote and presented legislation to congress in 2005. There is a huge difference between Obama calling Treasure Secretary Paulson in 2005 and allegedly "warning" about the possible problems in the mortgage banking business, and a Senator like McCain actually writing and proposing legislation. Obama can talk the talk until we are all blue in the face, but when it comes to actually walking the walk, don't take my word for it, look at his record, he has never really done that.

    read this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-democrat-fingerprints-are-all-over-the-financial-crisis-949653.html
  • Aquanerd

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:48 PM GMT
    Bring it on. But it will not happen. There were 4 Democrats that were connected to James Keating and only 3 Democrats that were found to have any wrong doing in the affair, all Democrats. John Glenn (D) Ohio, and McCain were cleared of all charges. But I sure the Democratic myrmidons will still try to equate the two completely different issues.
  • Aquanerd

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    Oct 07, 2008 3:51 PM GMT
    sfinboston saidI think the Keating 5 coming open now is perfect timing...we are only 4 weeks out from Obama being voted as our future president.


    Oh I think they should wait until a few days, then no one will be able to get the fact out in time for the general public to understand that the Keating 5 was in fact only the Keating 3 (Cranston (D) California, De Concenti (D) Arizona, and Riegle (D) - Michigan), since they were the only one found to have done anything wrong.
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    Oct 07, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    Aquanerd saidBring it on. But it will not happen. There were 4 Democrats that were connected to James Keating and only 3 Democrats that were found to have any wrong doing in the affair, all Democrats. John Glenn (D) Ohio, and McCain were cleared of all charges. But I sure the Democratic myrmidons will still try to equate the two completely different issues.

    We will just say McCain is the same as always ..
    http://www.keatingeconomics.com/index.html#home





    if you read this story McCain's temperament and hunger for power makes sense .. as Commander in Chief he will finally outrank his Father .. From his own book .. this is scary ..

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/2THE NAVY BRAT

    John Sidney McCain III has spent most of his life trying to escape the shadow of greater men. His grandfather Adm. John Sidney "Slew" McCain earned his four stars commanding a U.S. carrier force in World War II. His deeply ambitious father, Adm. "Junior" McCain, reached the same rank, commanding America's forces in the Pacific during Vietnam.

    The youngest McCain was not cut from the same cloth. Even as a toddler, McCain recalls in Faith of My Fathers, his volcanic temper was on display. "At the smallest provocation," he would hold his breath until he passed out: "I would go off in a mad frenzy, and then, suddenly, crash to the floor unconscious." His parents cured him of this habit in a way only a CIA interrogator could appreciate: by dropping their blue-faced boy in a bathtub of ice-cold water.
  • auryn

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    Oct 07, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    fluxu8 saidwell if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.



    It wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.


    AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.

    Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.

    Here, I just went to one place this time to find out about this since I read about them earlier this year.

    'Statements made in 2001
    Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[18] In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. Some of the resulting articles were written just before the September 11 terrorist attacks and appeared immediately after, including one often-noted article in The New York Times, and another in the Chicago Tribune. Numerous observations were made in the media comparing the statements Ayers was making about his own past just as a dramatic new terrorist incident shocked the public.
    Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[19] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[14] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."'
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Statements_made_in_2001


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    Oct 07, 2008 4:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.

    I also have a BIG problem with Obama pretending that he warned against the current mortgage banking crisis 2 years ago, when he knows damn well that it was President Bush who warned against it as early as 2003, and John McCain who actually wrote and presented legislation to congress in 2005. There is a huge difference between Obama calling Treasure Secretary Paulson in 2005 and allegedly "warning" about the possible problems in the mortgage banking business, and a Senator like McCain actually writing and proposing legislation. Obama can talk the talk until we are all blue in the face, but when it comes to actually walking the walk, don't take my word for it, look at his record, he has never really done that.

    read this:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-democrat-fingerprints-are-all-over-the-financial-crisis-949653.html

    Hmm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_LawsonHe is the son of a former Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer Lord Lawson and socialite Vanessa Salmon, ..

    Since 2006, he has been a columnist for The Independent newspaper, where he usually takes lines contrary to the newspaper's general political position. He denies that global warming is caused by increased greenhouse gas emissions, claiming it is due to solar radiation.
    Don't know if I would trust that columnisticon_redface.gif .. "so Dominic .. you are saying the heat of the sun is causing global warming icon_eek.gif BRILLIANT!!"

    lets see what is really behind this smoking gun ..
  • Aquanerd

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    Oct 07, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    Auryn saidhttp://www.keatingeconomics.com

    You must not have seen this HK.


    If Michal Moore Make a Documentary based on this site, he'll surely will another Oscar, after all, he is brilliant at making a documentary with based on lies, misstruths, and factually incorrect legend.

    To use the Lincoln Financial scandal as a source for the current financial crisis is quite a leap. You have to disregard all historical facts and completely avoid the facts of Obama's involvement in with Freddie, and Fannie.

    Go ahead and vote to Obama, and if it makes you feel better to rely on sites like this to make you self believe that you making the right descision, go ahead.

    Hears the dirty little secret you need to know though. We conservatives will weather this financial situation, because we by definition, have been conservative.

    We didn't by houses we couldn't afford.
    We didn't put all out money in one area.
    We have the ability to change with the times.
    We do not relieve on inept and correct government officials to make our lives better.

    Even those small business men that have been the source for new jobs over the past 40 years, will be fine after they get taxed out of oblivion by Obama's tax hike on those making over $250K a year. You do realize that most small business owners will have to pay that tax increase, don't you? I hope you Obama supporters that are employed by one of those "hated rich guys," have something lined up. because the first thing you do when one business expense goes up, is to cut back in another area, and payroll is the biggest controllable expense there is.

    And don't bitch about the increase in prices for everything, because Businesses do not pay taxes, all they do is collect the taxes for government in the form of increase cost of goods and services.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 07, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    Auryn said

    AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.

    Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.



    Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    Palin and her hubby palling around with witch hunters and secessionist terrorists! Watch the whole thing .. amazing! icon_eek.gif

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    Oct 07, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Auryn said

    AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.

    Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.



    Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
    THEN you have to hate Palin, see the video above for comments from Palins secessionist terrorist friends .. "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler
  • auryn

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    Oct 07, 2008 4:22 PM GMT
    McCain's Pals

    McCain – One of The Keating Five
    http://www.keatingeconomics.com/pdf/Keating_ABC.pdf
    [url]http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-
    most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1[/url]
    more
    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04herbert.html?hp=
    &pagewanted=print [/url]

    McCain and G Gordon Liddy (who plotted to kill a journalist, proposed shooting ATF agents in the HEAD. Went to Federal Prison for 4 years)
    [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/oped/chi-oped0504
    chapmanmay04,0,3136852.column[/url]
    more
    http://mediamatters.org/items/200810040004?f=h_popular
    McCain sealed his POW records and backstabbed POW families
    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/31-oct-2005.html

    The McCain Closet
    More skeletons in there than your local Halloween costume store.
    http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

    You made me have to get Randi Rhodes. I tried not to bring out the big artillery, but now it's go time.icon_evil.gificon_evil.gificon_evil.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:25 PM GMT
    ABSOLUTELY!
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    Oct 08, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Auryn said

    AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.

    Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.



    Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.


    Well....I'm not trying to be rude to anyone here and please don't be offended but...I feel I need to respond to a comment made AT me as such:

    OH PLEASE...wake up and smell the coffee of the DC kitchen. LOL.

    Stuff like that has been going on forever in DC and there are plenty of "associations" to go around in both political camps. They've all got skeletons in their closets or people they may have talked to and later regretted, and it's very easy to formulate those kind of accusations for any of them.
    It's how it rolls in "DC court"
    By the time you reach a certain level in DC, there are just some people you have "come across" and that's how it is on both sides of the aisle.
    McCain is CERTAINLY not immune to such goings on. He's in "stuff" up to his tired old arthritic eyeballs from his past too.
    I think O'Bama's "associations" significantly pale in comparison to some of the rather scary people McCain has associated with and has had much closer associations with.

    So instead of being all riled up about blatant and tired attempts at "character assassination" which is what's going on here, as usual - per the Republican "4th quarter play book"...let's look at the issues and what we are going to do about them from here forward.

    In my humble opinion, O'Bama/Biden clearly trumps anything McCain/Palin has to say, offer, or planned for by far.

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    Oct 08, 2008 1:47 PM GMT
    LOL
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    Oct 08, 2008 4:00 PM GMT
    Active and fit, Do you consider the Atzlan seraratists to be terrorist seccesionists?

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    Oct 08, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    If we are going to be talking about guilt by association, then it's only fair to bring up McCain's membership in a Nazi affiliated organization. http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-caucus1008.artoct08,0,6712465.story

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/presidentialdebates/3153984/US-presidential-debate-John-McCain-faces-Watergate-threat-before-second-showdown.html

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/07/mccain_and_the_us_council_for.html

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzQtw1kATj1xCqPcAmwgCKDtNpDQD93LT9NG0

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_10/015061.php

    http://wizbangblue.com/2008/10/05/mccain-pals-around-with-racists-and-antisemites.php

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20081007/mccain-iran-contra/

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