So we saw the Palin govenor talking about how Obama is "a pal" of Ayers even though the associations involved memberships on Boards (mostly for educational purposes). Mr. Ayers had been a "Vietnam radical" years before in the 1960's and early 70's. The Board membership included Obama, Ayers and a number of both democrats and republicans.
I think its a sign of desperation. Should Obama talk about McCain's relationship with Charles Keating back in the early 90's?
What the HELL was the Obama Camp waiting for? The Keating 5 assoc should have been trotted out months ago John McCain was rebuked by the ethics committee over this
This is why I get pissed off by the democrats they don't learn from whats thrown at them If they want to play dirty there's PLENTY more where that came from
Sara Palin wants guilt by assoc? What about her husband TODD!!! being part of a group calling for Alaska to separate from the United States? Can you imagine if Mrs Biden was part of that group? Palin's Church ... where she has gone since she was a little girl Had a Conference to change Homosexuals into Heterosexuals through the power of prayer Had the head of the Group Jews for Jesus when Sara was there in the pews a man who has stated that the attacks on Isreal is because of their "Non-belief"
This kind of stuff needs to be exposed and show them up to be the hypocrits that they are
I think it is fair game, and the video is excellent that they came out with today. I couldn't get it on here for some reason. Will keep trying. It ties McCain to the corruption that was going on, and emphasizes that he still want to deregulate everything.
well if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.
I heard Sarah Palin was such an ungrateful child that she threw up and crapped all over her Mother....that's so awful...she must be a terrible person.
clearly they are just grasping at straws now and falling back on the oh-so-tired Republican smear tactics...and since McCain is so frickin' old and doesn't have the energy to do it...he has his little bitch pit bull do it for him. It's just so obvious.
What the HELL was the Obama Camp waiting for? The Keating 5 assoc should have been trotted out months ago John McCain was rebuked by the ethics committee over this
This is why I get pissed off by the democrats they don't learn from whats thrown at them If they want to play dirty there's PLENTY more where that came from
I disagree. If the Obama camp brought the issue up around say...August, it'd be old news by now. Just like Ayers. Clinton vetted the shit outta Obama and all thats left is to go through old issues. McCain and Palin. Oh! A closet full of skeletons. Why throw around all your October surprises when your doing well? Why not throw fresh bones when their throwing around dust?
Sorry guys, I know this is off topic, but before we know it, all the fun will be over and so will these funny satyrs.... and of course they need to hit back and "Come out Swinging" knock them back on their asses where they are talking from...
Sometimes Humor is the only thing that helps me swallow this election.
The Keating 5 scandal and how McCain was involved in this is absolutely fair game. I hope America will learn everything about it and educate themselves. McCain was completely exonerated of any wrong doing, and was reprimanded by congress only for making a bad decision, NOT for anything criminal at all...end of story.
Obama needs to answer some very valid concerns about his past associations that he has managed to play down and poo-poo up until now. I suspect that McCain will begin the process of pinning Obama to the wall so that he answers to these associations clearly and honestly. That isn't desperation. McCain would be remiss not to do this. America deserves to know who Obama is, not just the glossy slick "Only in America" story Obama has been peddling to the masses.
fluxu8 saidwell if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.
It wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.
I also have a BIG problem with Obama pretending that he warned against the current mortgage banking crisis 2 years ago, when he knows damn well that it was President Bush who warned against it as early as 2003, and John McCain who actually wrote and presented legislation to congress in 2005. There is a huge difference between Obama calling Treasure Secretary Paulson in 2005 and allegedly "warning" about the possible problems in the mortgage banking business, and a Senator like McCain actually writing and proposing legislation. Obama can talk the talk until we are all blue in the face, but when it comes to actually walking the walk, don't take my word for it, look at his record, he has never really done that.
Bring it on. But it will not happen. There were 4 Democrats that were connected to James Keating and only 3 Democrats that were found to have any wrong doing in the affair, all Democrats. John Glenn (D) Ohio, and McCain were cleared of all charges. But I sure the Democratic myrmidons will still try to equate the two completely different issues.
sfinboston saidI think the Keating 5 coming open now is perfect timing...we are only 4 weeks out from Obama being voted as our future president.
Oh I think they should wait until a few days, then no one will be able to get the fact out in time for the general public to understand that the Keating 5 was in fact only the Keating 3 (Cranston (D) California, De Concenti (D) Arizona, and Riegle (D) - Michigan), since they were the only one found to have done anything wrong.
Aquanerd saidBring it on. But it will not happen. There were 4 Democrats that were connected to James Keating and only 3 Democrats that were found to have any wrong doing in the affair, all Democrats. John Glenn (D) Ohio, and McCain were cleared of all charges. But I sure the Democratic myrmidons will still try to equate the two completely different issues.
if you read this story McCain's temperament and hunger for power makes sense .. as Commander in Chief he will finally outrank his Father .. From his own book .. this is scary ..
John Sidney McCain III has spent most of his life trying to escape the shadow of greater men. His grandfather Adm. John Sidney "Slew" McCain earned his four stars commanding a U.S. carrier force in World War II. His deeply ambitious father, Adm. "Junior" McCain, reached the same rank, commanding America's forces in the Pacific during Vietnam.
The youngest McCain was not cut from the same cloth. Even as a toddler, McCain recalls in Faith of My Fathers, his volcanic temper was on display. "At the smallest provocation," he would hold his breath until he passed out: "I would go off in a mad frenzy, and then, suddenly, crash to the floor unconscious." His parents cured him of this habit in a way only a CIA interrogator could appreciate: by dropping their blue-faced boy in a bathtub of ice-cold water.
fluxu8 saidwell if we are going to talk about stuff that was like 40 years ago....LOL.
It wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.
AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.
Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.
Here, I just went to one place this time to find out about this since I read about them earlier this year.
'Statements made in 2001 Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[18] In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. Some of the resulting articles were written just before the September 11 terrorist attacks and appeared immediately after, including one often-noted article in The New York Times, and another in the Chicago Tribune. Numerous observations were made in the media comparing the statements Ayers was making about his own past just as a dramatic new terrorist incident shocked the public. Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[19] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[14] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Statements_made_in_2001
CuriousJockAZ saidIt wasn't just 40 years ago, it was as late as 2002 when Obama attended a Campaign Kickoff party at William Ayers home that William Ayers was throwing for him. I don't know about you, but I have a very real problem with anyone running for President wanting anything whatsoever to do with a known domestic terrorist -- someone who in 2001 after 9/11 said he wishes they had done more.
I also have a BIG problem with Obama pretending that he warned against the current mortgage banking crisis 2 years ago, when he knows damn well that it was President Bush who warned against it as early as 2003, and John McCain who actually wrote and presented legislation to congress in 2005. There is a huge difference between Obama calling Treasure Secretary Paulson in 2005 and allegedly "warning" about the possible problems in the mortgage banking business, and a Senator like McCain actually writing and proposing legislation. Obama can talk the talk until we are all blue in the face, but when it comes to actually walking the walk, don't take my word for it, look at his record, he has never really done that.
Since 2006, he has been a columnist for The Independent newspaper, where he usually takes lines contrary to the newspaper's general political position. He denies that global warming is caused by increased greenhouse gas emissions, claiming it is due to solar radiation.
Don't know if I would trust that columnist .. "so Dominic .. you are saying the heat of the sun is causing global warming BRILLIANT!!"
lets see what is really behind this smoking gun ..
If Michal Moore Make a Documentary based on this site, he'll surely will another Oscar, after all, he is brilliant at making a documentary with based on lies, misstruths, and factually incorrect legend.
To use the Lincoln Financial scandal as a source for the current financial crisis is quite a leap. You have to disregard all historical facts and completely avoid the facts of Obama's involvement in with Freddie, and Fannie.
Go ahead and vote to Obama, and if it makes you feel better to rely on sites like this to make you self believe that you making the right descision, go ahead.
Hears the dirty little secret you need to know though. We conservatives will weather this financial situation, because we by definition, have been conservative.
We didn't by houses we couldn't afford. We didn't put all out money in one area. We have the ability to change with the times. We do not relieve on inept and correct government officials to make our lives better.
Even those small business men that have been the source for new jobs over the past 40 years, will be fine after they get taxed out of oblivion by Obama's tax hike on those making over $250K a year. You do realize that most small business owners will have to pay that tax increase, don't you? I hope you Obama supporters that are employed by one of those "hated rich guys," have something lined up. because the first thing you do when one business expense goes up, is to cut back in another area, and payroll is the biggest controllable expense there is.
And don't bitch about the increase in prices for everything, because Businesses do not pay taxes, all they do is collect the taxes for government in the form of increase cost of goods and services.
AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.
Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.
Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.
Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.
Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
THEN you have to hate Palin, see the video above for comments from Palins secessionist terrorist friends .. "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler
McCain – One of The Keating Five http://www.keatingeconomics.com/pdf/Keating_ABC.pdf [url]http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the- most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1[/url] more [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/opinion/04herbert.html?hp= &pagewanted=print [/url]
AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.
Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.
Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
Well....I'm not trying to be rude to anyone here and please don't be offended but...I feel I need to respond to a comment made AT me as such:
OH PLEASE...wake up and smell the coffee of the DC kitchen. LOL.
Stuff like that has been going on forever in DC and there are plenty of "associations" to go around in both political camps. They've all got skeletons in their closets or people they may have talked to and later regretted, and it's very easy to formulate those kind of accusations for any of them. It's how it rolls in "DC court" By the time you reach a certain level in DC, there are just some people you have "come across" and that's how it is on both sides of the aisle. McCain is CERTAINLY not immune to such goings on. He's in "stuff" up to his tired old arthritic eyeballs from his past too. I think O'Bama's "associations" significantly pale in comparison to some of the rather scary people McCain has associated with and has had much closer associations with.
So instead of being all riled up about blatant and tired attempts at "character assassination" which is what's going on here, as usual - per the Republican "4th quarter play book"...let's look at the issues and what we are going to do about them from here forward.
In my humble opinion, O'Bama/Biden clearly trumps anything McCain/Palin has to say, offer, or planned for by far.
AAARRRRGGGHH!!! Ayers made those comment BEFORE 9/11. They were published AFTER.
Facts man! Facts. If you can't google them don't spew the falsehoods.
Before...after...who cares??? He said it - period! This man is a domestic terrorist and any association that Obama has with him is, in my opinion, unacceptable, not to mention alarming, since he wants to be the President of the United States.
Well....I'm not trying to be rude to anyone here and please don't be offended but...I feel I need to respond to a comment made AT me as such:
OH PLEASE...wake up and smell the coffee of the DC kitchen. LOL.
Stuff like that has been going on forever in DC and there are plenty of "associations" to go around in both political camps. They've all got skeletons in their closets or people they may have talked to and later regretted, and it's very easy to formulate those kind of accusations for any of them. It's how it rolls in "DC court" By the time you reach a certain level in DC, there are just some people you have "come across" and that's how it is on both sides of the aisle. McCain is CERTAINLY not immune to such goings on. He's in "stuff" up to his tired old arthritic eyeballs from his past too. I think O'Bama's "associations" significantly pale in comparison to some of the rather scary people McCain has associated with and has had much closer associations with.
So instead of being all riled up about blatant and tired attempts at "character assassination" which is what's going on here, as usual - per the Republican "4th quarter play book"...let's look at the issues and what we are going to do about them from here forward.
In my humble opinion, O'Bama/Biden clearly trumps anything McCain/Palin has to say, offer, or planned for by far.
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Careful Aaron, or someone here might try and "Pray you away" for your comments... Why,,, I'm calling Sarah now,,, I can hear it.... "ooola Ma tha a-- All la ma doo la....
I wish someone would explain to me how serving on a board or attending a party with someone who has achieved broad acceptance years after exoneration for his involvement with a radical group is a reflection on "character."
CJ writes: "Obama needs to answer some very valid concerns about his past associations that he has managed to play down and poo-poo up until now."
What exactly are your concerns? How about getting specific about your questions regarding Ayers? Otherwise it would appear you're just engaging in innuendo. And I'm sure you wouldn't want to do that.
obscenewish saidI wish someone would explain to me how serving on a board or attending a party with someone who has achieved broad acceptance years after exoneration for his involvement with a radical group is a reflection on "character."
Duh! It's the new law of proximity. If you're near something, you are inexplicably affected, indoctrinated, and educated in-full by it. Obama is one example, another would be living near Russia and therefore becoming an expert on foreign policy. Proximity, my friend. Proximity.
Palin's time would be better spent explaining her support of Alaska's Independent Party and discussing if she thinks the Confederacy was right is secession. Or, since we're talkin about Vietnam, if she supported/supports US involvement there. Or, how about she just shuts the fuck up.
Shutting the fuck up on her part would best serve the interests of all of the U.S. All things considered, especially the current financial crisis, her inclusion on the repug ticket has served only to decrease the signal to noise ratio.
I'm not sure but I'm going to say that photo is Photoshopped. You can tell by the pixels.
Ouch, you got me. And here I thought I was the master of subtlety and tact. As an act of contrition, I will try try and give my self paper cuts on my bad place by repeatedly slapping my genitals with an issue of the the National Review.
atlnvmasc saidWasn't our country founded on domestic terrorism and secessionists?
Uh... we, uh........ LOOK OVER THERE! [hits atlnvmasc over the head with a frying pan]
Yeah, but it's not a piece of information that helps any party's cause or one that the broader American public is ready to digest in terms of context and relevance.
Describing the American Revolution as "Domestic Terrorist" is false and way over the top, even for an Obama supporter. Atlnvmasc, why do you hate America?
John43620 saidDescribing the American Revolution as "Domestic Terrorist" is false and way over the top, even for an Obama supporter. Atlnvmasc, why do you hate America?
Well I think the term "domestic terrorism" is inappropriate when it comes to the American Revolution... regardless of whether he is an Obama or McCain supporter....
"Well, I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn't willing to say it to my face." -- That One
I saw a couple interviews with Michelle Obama in the last day or so and she explained it very simply also--that LOTS of people knew Bill Ayers around Chicago in the last decade or so. Democrats and Republicans served on the board with Obama. It's just not scandalous.
Just another observation about the Republican's guilt by association: It seems they are demonizing city after city, even states, even both coasts on occasion. Of course all media vehicles (save Fox News) are biased at all times. They're leaving themselves with a very narrow demographic to target, aren't they? I just don't see them surviving with such exclusionary rhetoric.
[quote][cite]1969er said[/cite]I saw a couple interviews with Michelle Obama in the last day or so and she explained it very simply also--that LOTS of people knew Bill Ayers around Chicago in the last decade or so. Democrats and Republicans served on the board with Obama. It's just not scandalous.
Yes, lots of people knew Bill Ayers but Obama says he is "just some guy that lives in his neighborhood".
That being said...I did see Michelle Obama on Larry King Live last night and, admittedly, she is one sharp lady...very impressed.
CuriousJockAZ said[quote][cite] Yes, lots of people knew Bill Ayers but Obama says he is "just some guy that lives in his neighborhood".
That being said...I did see Michelle Obama on Larry King Live last night and, admittedly, she is one sharp lady...very impressed.
It seems hypocritical that supposedly Republicans don't believe in the power of redemption, unless it's for their own folks. Redemption is a part of the tenants of Christianity I thought.
And regarding Michelle--yeah, she's a good asset to Barack for sure. I see shades of a political future for her, as well, I think.
It's all a big fat joke and I laugh my ass off everytime I see these threads now. But then I see things like this http://voices.kansascity.com/node/2375 and it makes me think of wool being pulled over sheeps eyes.
When it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
Yes John. Sarah Palin pals around with secessionists who hate America, therefore she hates America. You're a republican, therefore you support Sarah Palin. You support Sarah Palin, so therefore you must hate America.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Shall we get a discussion going on the graft and corruption Bush has presided over as President?
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
It doesn't trouble him because Palin is a Republican.
RBY71, you may not know it but; the first state in the Union to secede from the Union was Connecticut in 1813, followed by Massachusetts and Rhode Island, traditional Blue States. If you noticed the date, it was a time when we were invaded by the British. Alaska never did secede from the Union.
When the British lost the war, the New Englanders caim slinking back into the Union hoping no one would notice.
1969er saidI saw a couple interviews with Michelle Obama in the last day or so and she explained it very simply also--that LOTS of people knew Bill Ayers around Chicago in the last decade or so. Democrats and Republicans served on the board with Obama. It's just not scandalous.
Let me make this very clear. I do not think Barack is in anyway like Rezko, Ayer's or Rev Wright. But I do think Obama used these men for political gain and then when confronted, paints a much different story. Obama made a lot of poor choices on his rise to the top of in Chicago politics. He did what he had to do to guarantee that he would be propelled into the political spotlight. His campaign is constantly rewriting the relationships he had with these people. He cant be telling the truth because there is constantly a revised version coming forward from his camp. Obama was willing to compromise his own sense of right and wrong and turn the other cheek to succeed and network. His idea for america is vastly different from the one being preached about in his church for 20 years, yet he sat in the pew and considered wright a mentor and even gave 26,00.00 in 2007 alone to rev wrights congregation. His idea of America is quite different from Ayer's extreme leftist positions but he aligned himself with him repeatedly during his first bid for the Senate. The problem is that Obama is presenting himself as someone who is above all of this, someone presenting real change. It is just rhetoric and smoke and mirrors. The shrewd politician in Barack used these men and their circles to get nominated to the Senate. This really isn't a distraction or desperation, it is important in telling the story that is the character of Barack Obama. The problem is that we don't care because we are losing our money. McCain is too late to go there and only looks bad bringing it up. I think it is tragic that Barack is running a campaign on good judgement when he has repeatedly shown he has just as many skeletons in his closet as anyone else. McCain and Biden have been in politics much longer and have a lot less baggage than this man who is relatively new. His history with these people shows a certain level of indifference that is a little troubling.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Shall we get a discussion going on the graft and corruption Bush has presided over as President?
No, thank you very much, since Bush, just in case you haven't noticed, is NOT on the ballot
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
Even if this was true, which they have yet to really prove, it is hardly on the same level as being associated with a known domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon, among other Government buildings.
Even if this was true, which they have yet to really prove, it is hardly on the same level as being associated with a known domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon, among other Government buildings.
I think it is exactly the same level. You can't run on a platform of Country First and pal around with seccessionists.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
Even if this was true, which they have yet to really prove, it is hardly on the same level as being associated with a known domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon, among other Government buildings.
Jdunn1973 said His history with these people shows a certain level of indifference that is a little troubling.
To say the least but, God forbid, Obama or any of his surrogates should answer any questions about these associations honestly. All they do is deflect any suggestion or question about it at all as "Obama has already answered this 1000 times", which he really hasn't -- not honestly anyway -- or they say "America is losing their jobs and their homes, they want to talk about the issues that are important". Yeah, that may be true, but they also care about "character" when it comes to their President, and I am not so sure that this constant deflection of these questions may not begin to backfire on the Obama camp in the weeks to come. Granted, that may be wishful thinking, but something is becoming increasingly troubling about Obama's "smoke & mirrors" style politicking as if he is above all of this. He's not.
Auryn saidObama interviews with Charlie Gibson and discusses Ayers connection.
"Well, I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn't willing to say it to my face." -- That One
This interview is a perfect example of Obama minimalizing his association with Bill Ayers, as if he hardly knew the man. He doesn't admit that he launched one of his campaigns from the man's livingroom. In fact, did you even hear Charlie Gibson ask him about that? Nope. ABC NEWS is as partisan as they come, and what you just saw in this interview was yet another Obama deflection, turning it around, even bringing Ronald Reagan's name into it.
To say the least but, God forbid, Obama or any of his surrogates should answer any questions about these associations honestly. All they do is deflect any suggestion or question about it at all as "Obama has already answered this 1000 times", which he really hasn't -- not honestly anyway -- or they say "America is losing their jobs and their homes, they want to talk about the issues that are important". Yeah, that may be true, but they also care about "character" when it comes to their President, and I am not so sure that this constant deflection of these questions may not begin to backfire on the Obama camp in the weeks to come. Granted, that may be wishful thinking, but something is becoming increasingly troubling about Obama's "smoke & mirrors" style politicking as if he is above all of this. He's not.
THis is the problem. There are too many people saying this isn't an issue but I can think of few things more important than the character of the next President of the United States. Sarah Palins glasses and Cindy McCains dresses are a distraction, character isn't. If this is the road block for so many people, he needs to clarify why he didn't seem to mind such divisive behavior and attitudes when he was pandering for the election to the US senate.Maybe explain that the Ayer's story is ultimately a story of redemption. That he has since dedicated his life to education and helping kids. Saying you know nothing of his past whilst knee deep in the Chicago establishment seems a bit disingenuous and untrue. I have watched McCain sell his soul to the devil as well so I am not saying he is fairing any better with me. It is time that they both tell the truth. Obama has yet to reconcile the vision he gives in his speeches with the realities of his own political story. McCains failure is that in going negative, he attracts more negative. Those rallies of the past week are frightening.
Jdunn1973 saidThose rallies of the past week are frightening.
Yes, they were. They reflected the anger and the frustration of McCain supporters over the media ignoring so much of the Obama stuff, and allowing Obama and his surrogates to downplay them and act as if all of America is losing their jobs or their homes. First of all, THAT is not true. Well over 90% of Americans have jobs and are paying their mortgages so, while the economy is certainly a grave concern to us all, I think the Obama camp is deluding themselves if they think that is ALL America is looking at. The nasty week we just went through in terms of the campaigning, while not pretty, may in the end have served a very important purpose. That being keeping Obama's questionable character issues at least in the mind of voters. It almost had to be mega-nasty in order to still be heard among the panic about the economy.
Jdunn1973 saidThose rallies of the past week are frightening.
Yes, they were. They reflected the anger and the frustration of McCain supporters over the media ignoring so much of the Obama stuff, and allowing Obama and his surrogates to downplay them and act as if all of America is losing their jobs or their homes. First of all, THAT is not true. Well over 90% of Americans have jobs and are paying their mortgages so, while the economy is certainly a grave concern to us all, I think the Obama camp is deluding themselves if they think that is ALL America is looking at. I agree that the nasty week we just went through in terms of the campaigning, while not pretty, may in the end have served a very important purpose. That being keeping Obama's questionable character issues at least in the mind of voters. It almost had to be mega-nasty in order to still be heard among the panic about the economy.
I disagree. These people asking about Obama being an "arab" and dangerous is not anger, that is ignorance and racism and it is pathetic. Palin and McCain know better and they were , until the other day, just playing along. That speaks volumes about their character and ambitions as well. When McCain calls Obama decent and the crowd boo's, it is very telling.
I agree, it's sad, but I don't think everyone in the Obama camp is exactly throwing daisies McCain/Palin's way either. There are vicious, nasty, ignorant types on both sides.
I actually think McCains alliance with Palin says plenty about his character and political aspirations as well. He did not pick her because she was the most qualified choice, he chose her for very specific political reasons. again, using "country first" as a slogan is horribly ironic. Neither one of them is free from questionable associations which underlies my exasperation with this entire thing.
CuriousJockAZ saidI agree, it's sad, but I don't think everyone in the Obama camp is exactly throwing daisies McCain/Palin's way either. There are vicious, nasty, ignorant types on both sides.
Yes, indeed. I can't remember feeling so ashamed to be a Democrat. Reading this crap everyday is sad. I am disapointed the way Clinton is referred to as a Bimbo and the way Palin is called that Palin woman. I am disappointed the way the Democrats are magically cleared of responsibility for this financial mess. We all have our own blinders on, especially this close to the election.
Jdunn1973 saidI actually think McCains alliance with Palin says plenty about his character and political aspirations as well. He did not pick her because she was the most qualified choice, he chose her for very specific political reasons.
I seriously doubt that a single V.P. choice in history has not been chosen for "political reasons". That's just part of the game. McCain needed to fire up the base and energize the party -- Palin did that. Had it not been for the pathetic Katie Courie interview in which Palin, admittedly, stumbled, and the combined timing of the economy tanking in the span of 2 weeks, the polls would likely be telling somewhat of a different story.
CuriousJockAZ saidI agree, it's sad, but I don't think everyone in the Obama camp is exactly throwing daisies McCain/Palin's way either. There are vicious, nasty, ignorant types on both sides.
Not that I consider myself a loyal Democrat (I hate the party system) but I actually used to have respect for McCain. But as time has gone on and I have matched his behavior and words to what I have read about him, I have very little respect for him now .. that is HIS fault, not mine.
This is all about the economy and what people perceive as the failed Bush policies at this point. Little else. McCain has been a disaster when talking about the economy and Palin doesn't seem to understand that the questions being asked are the questions she needs to answer.
Jdunn1973 said I am disappointed the way the Democrats are magically cleared of responsibility for this financial mess. We all have our own blinders on, especially this close to the election.
It is fashionable nowadays to pretend that the economic mess is the fault and responsibility of both parties. And it is true that there have been legislators in both parties whose votes have contributed to the crisis.
But.
This meltdown is the predictable---and often-predicted--result of 28 years of following a disgraceful set of economic theories cobbled together by that ivory-tower fraud Milton Friedman and that political hack Arthur Laffer on the back of a cocktail napkin in 1980. Bush's father was correct on the campaign trail when he called it "voodoo economics", and it was probably the last honest thing he said before being co-opted by the supply-siders.
The underlying philosophy behind all this is firmly Republican, or more accurately, Reagan Republican. (Eisenhower would have had nothing to do with this stuff.) It has now, finally, been spectacularly debunked. We are truly at a watershed moment, as we were in 1933.
The landscape has changed, and I predict it will take the Republicans at least two election cycles to figure that out. In the meantime, they will claim that this election proved nothing and dig themselves deeper into the minority in the next decade.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Why does it not trouble you that Sarah Palin "pals around" with people who have said "I hate America and her damned institutions. I will not be buried under her damn flag"?
Even if this was true, which they have yet to really prove, it is hardly on the same level as being associated with a known domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon, among other Government buildings.
I did some more research on this Alaska Independence Party that Sarah's husband was a member of (is now "undeclared") and think that is of an even greater level .. i.e. trying to secede an entire state by violent means if necessary. Here is some info on the founder of the party:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_VoglerVogler disappeared under suspicious circumstances in May 1993[4], just weeks before he was scheduled to give a speech to the United Nations on Alaskan independence, sponsored by the government of Iran.[5][6] Convicted thief Manfried West confessed to having murdered Vogler the following year in what he described as a plastic explosives sale gone bad.[4] Vogler's remains were discovered in a gravel pit east of Fairbanks in October 1994 following an anonymous tip.[4] They had been wrapped in a blue tarp secured with duct tape and were identified through fingerprint analysis.[4]
Also
http://www.thestar.com/News/USElection/article/514503Inconveniently for Palin, that's the same secessionist party her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and to which she sent a shout-out as Alaska governor earlier this year. "Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you."
AIP chair Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. "She's Alaskan to the bone ... she sounds just like Joe Vogler."
Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, "When the (federal) bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets.
The point of all this is that anyway you slice it .. McCain/Palin have a lot of Nefarious relationships with some very bad people/organizations .. so it is hypocrisy for them to even question a casual relationship with Ayers that was born out of a committee created and put together by a wealthy supporter of Ronald Reagan and John McCain. So go ahead McCain/Palin .. let discuss those relationships you have hidden and even "lied" about. OR better yet, lets talk about the political issues and differences you have with Obama.
Oh irony of ironies .. you know the slogan "Country first"? take a look at the Alaska Independence party logo ..
CuriousJockAZ saidI agree, it's sad, but I don't think everyone in the Obama camp is exactly throwing daisies McCain/Palin's way either. There are vicious, nasty, ignorant types on both sides.
and which type are you? just curious as to your perspective about yourself.
John43620 saidWhen it comes to the association between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is the real story. The graft and corruption Barack Obama presided over as chairman of the board indicates the type of leader he will be in the future. CNN ran a story on it and I find it just insane that it hasn't touched the poll numbers.
Shall we get a discussion going on the graft and corruption Bush has presided over as President?
No, thank you very much, since Bush, just in case you haven't noticed, is NOT on the ballot
McPalin's use of Ayers is serving the greater goal of revising (or should we say "reversing") what Vietnam was all about. Calling McCain a "hero" for shooting down "gooks" (his word) and Ayers a "terrorist" (assuming you consider the Weather Underground a terrorist organizition) both serve the shady role...all in all, repulsive and peculiar.
.. "so Dominic .. you are saying the heat of the sun is causing global warming 
BRILLIANT!!"
