Paleo diet, does it worth it?

  • colab1927

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    Feb 22, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
    Hey guys, any of you tried the Paleo diet, or as they say it's not a diet it's a way of living.
    So, according to them we should stop eat oat meal or any kind of cereals.
    Tell me your opinion
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    Feb 22, 2013 2:33 AM GMT
    I was on a low carb diet for a whole year, recently got off of it this weekend... The paleo is just more of a hippie lifestyle, but when you decide to introduce carbs you will bloat up 4-6 pounds of water weight and you will be gasy and on the toilet all day.

    It's a great way to cut off the water weight and fat for a few months at least.
  • gwuinsf

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    Feb 22, 2013 4:52 PM GMT
    Buppi saidI was on a low carb diet for a whole year, recently got off of it this weekend... The paleo is just more of a hippie lifestyle, but when you decide to introduce carbs you will bloat up 4-6 pounds of water weight and you will be gasy and on the toilet all day.

    It's a great way to cut off the water weight and fat for a few months at least.


    I don't know what's hippie about it. Paleo at its core is about eating whole foods and removing processed foods from one's diet. Frankly I think that should be the core of anyone's diet, whether they consider themselves Paleo or not.

    I'm a big fan of it, having been introduced to it by people here on the RJ forums. You're going to get a mixed bag of opinions about it here on the RJ forums (here come the flames!), so the best recommendation I can give you is do your own research, do some self-experimentation and try for yourself. Everyone who I have personally gotten to try it has lost weight and have commented on they feel much better on the diet. (You don't look like you need to lose any weight though!)

    Yes, cereals are bad. Oatmeal is a border food if it's steel cut.

    How I've benefited from Paleo personally:

    * I discovered that I was gluten intolerant. A slew of GI issues that I thought were just my normal me, cleared up once I eliminated wheat.
    * I've lost about 15 lbs and have gone from a 32" waist to 30". I may have lost more because I feel like my strength training is improved and have put on more muscle.
    * It's forced me to learn to cook more
    * It's forced me to eat better by changing my diet to more whole foods. There are a lot more vegetables in my diet now than before.
    * It has brought bacon back into my diet.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 22, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
    For a lot of people, Paleo ends up ketogenic. Based on our current understanding, this is a backup emergency pathway based on the starvation response, and not designed to be a long term energy pathway. This could have unknown and dangerous long term organ stresses.

    The point is, a standard balanced diet, 40-40-20 or so, works. If research is released to definitively rice the safety of Paleo I'll be all for it. However, until that day, our understanding shows it is only a short term viable solution.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 22, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    gwuinsf saidYes, cereals are bad. Oatmeal is a border food if it's steel cut.


    Steel cut and rolled oats have identical nutritional value. They are only texturally different.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    Honestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    Can't say I have completely gone Paleo here, but I'm on my second week of a gluten-free diet. I still eat cereals but just the gluten free variety (mostly rice cereals). If nothing else, it forces you to be stricter about your foods and it does eliminate a lot of processed foods from the diet. My goal wasn't weight loss but I have shed a few pounds in a short period of time already. I spent a lot of time researching foods before grocery shopping but it's gotten easier. Eating out is the toughest part but you'd be surprised how many places have gluten free menus. There's so much contradictory information out there in regards to nutrition. Try it out if you want and if you like it and feel good, stick with it. What's your reason for wanting to try it out?
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:16 PM GMT
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    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.


    Yeah pretty much. icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
    Buppi saidI was on a low carb diet for a whole year, recently got off of it this weekend... The paleo is just more of a hippie lifestyle, but when you decide to introduce carbs you will bloat up 4-6 pounds of water weight and you will be gasy and on the toilet all day.

    It's a great way to cut off the water weight and fat for a few months at least.



    Paleo diet is NOT A LOW CARB diet . It's a no processed and
    no man made carb diet. When you eliminate fake food you eliminate the unnatural deposit of bad body fat stored in the lower abdomen..

    Paleo will deliver those abs without a whole lot of exercise.... Certainly no cardio is necessary (if you are spending hours on that a week and are still fat)
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:26 PM GMT
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    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.



    The problem is the definition of natural foods. Paleo tries to link genetics with the food supply. A huge chunk of the population should not be eating dairy or wheat because our genetics does not necessarily support that. We did not evolve around a diet of processed grains . I have seen friends become obese on vegetarian diets for political reasons and I have several friends that are now dead from the consequences of eating the wrong food.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:36 PM GMT
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    uoft23 said
    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.



    The problem is the definition of natural foods. Paleo tries to link genetics with the food supply. A huge chunk of the population should not be eating dairy or wheat because our genetics does not necessarily support that. We did not evolve around a diet of processed grains . I have seen friends become obese on vegetarian diets for political reasons and I have several friends that are now dead from the consequences of eating the wrong food.


    I do want to point out that I don't eat dairy or gluten products. Gluten isn't really that healthy, and dairy.. I got mixed opinions on this, It is kinda odd that we still drink milk when we're not an infant or anything, it's even weirder that we drink milk from another species. And the processed milk that they sell in supermarkets have no nutritional value at all. Processing harms the proteins and makes them incredibly difficult to digest properly.

    Also.. COmmercial milk is full of different hormones if you don't choose organic actually.. Yogurt or milk kefir is okay to consume since the bacterias are eating the lactose that make it so hard to digest it.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    uoft23 said
    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.


    In some ways I agree with this. Too many people get caught up on the word "Paleo" and not on what the core ideas of the diet really are: eating whole foods, removing processed foods, especially processed carbs, from one's diet, eating foods with dense nutrient content. If it's easier to grasp, forget all the caveman evolutionary stuff, but I don't think anyone has a valid argument that people should have more processed food in their diet.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 22, 2013 5:47 PM GMT
    Mrap said
    I do want to point out that I don't eat dairy or gluten products. Gluten isn't really that healthy, and dairy.. I got mixed opinions on this, It is kinda odd that we still drink milk when we're not an infant or anything, it's even weirder that we drink milk from another species. And the processed milk that they sell in supermarkets have no nutritional value at all. Processing harms the proteins and makes them incredibly difficult to digest properly.

    Also.. COmmercial milk is full of different hormones if you don't choose organic actually.. Yogurt or milk kefir is okay to consume since the bacterias are eating the lactose that make it so hard to digest it.


    You really need to do some research for yourself. Your post is full of so much misinformation that I don't know where to start...
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    uoft23 said
    Mrap saidHonestly.. I like the paleo diet because of the removal of processed foods.. In fact everybody should eat like that! It would do a drastic change to people's look and behavior if they did that.. :p

    But the whole low carb thing.. I'm not a big fan of cutting down on food. Carbs are important as well. :p So I eat a pretty much paleo like diet but.. I still eat moderate carbs (Not refined carbs btw. icon_razz.gif )


    So basically you eat a healthy diet in natural foods? No need to ruin it with the word paleo.



    The problem is the definition of natural foods. Paleo tries to link genetics with the food supply. A huge chunk of the population should not be eating dairy or wheat because our genetics does not necessarily support that. We did not evolve around a diet of processed grains . I have seen friends become obese on vegetarian diets for political reasons and I have several friends that are now dead from the consequences of eating the wrong food.


    And those are the keywords there, "Paleo tries". Paleo's attempt to relate itself to science have been shot down by the vast majority of opinions I've read from health and diet professionals. Paleo is healthier than a lot of other fad diets I'd agree, but its still a fad diet that could be improved upon by a healthy well rounded diet because it eliminates healthy foods like most fad diets do.

    I love the pseudo science of an evolutionary based diet though. Personally I think we should get back to the the very first diet man encountered on his evolutionary journey but I'm not sure where I can find 4000 cal/day worth of plankton and diatoms.
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    Feb 22, 2013 5:51 PM GMT
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  • Medjai

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    Feb 22, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    uoft23 saidAnd those are the keywords there, "Paleo tries". Paleo's attempt to relate itself to science have been shot down by the vast majority of opinions I've read from health and diet professionals. Paleo is healthier than a lot of other fad diets I'd agree, but its still a fad diet that could be improved upon by a healthy well rounded diet because it eliminates healthy foods like most fad diets do.

    I love the pseudo science of an evolutionary based diet though. Personally I think we should get back to the the very first diet man encountered on his evolutionary journey but I'm not sure where I can find 4000 cal/day worth of plankton and diatoms.


    The ability to achieve a higher caloric density allowed for mental development, and well as cultural development.

    Things are linked. When eating what was eaten in the Paleolithic, we were grunting savages. Not that the two are inexorably tied, but... I think you see my point.
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Mrap said
    I do want to point out that I don't eat dairy or gluten products. Gluten isn't really that healthy, and dairy.. I got mixed opinions on this, It is kinda odd that we still drink milk when we're not an infant or anything, it's even weirder that we drink milk from another species. And the processed milk that they sell in supermarkets have no nutritional value at all. Processing harms the proteins and makes them incredibly difficult to digest properly.

    Also.. COmmercial milk is full of different hormones if you don't choose organic actually.. Yogurt or milk kefir is okay to consume since the bacterias are eating the lactose that make it so hard to digest it.


    You really need to do some research for yourself. Your post is full of so much misinformation that I don't know where to start...


    What are you talking about? We weren't meant to drink milk produced by another species.. Processed milk are hard to digest because all the bacterias are killed off due to the heating.. Yogurt and milk kefir is the only dairy product that are actually good to drink/eat. -.-
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    uoft23 saidAnd those are the keywords there, "Paleo tries". Paleo's attempt to relate itself to science have been shot down by the vast majority of opinions I've read from health and diet professionals. Paleo is healthier than a lot of other fad diets I'd agree, but its still a fad diet that could be improved upon by a healthy well rounded diet because it eliminates healthy foods like most fad diets do.

    I love the pseudo science of an evolutionary based diet though. Personally I think we should get back to the the very first diet man encountered on his evolutionary journey but I'm not sure where I can find 4000 cal/day worth of plankton and diatoms.


    The ability to achieve a higher caloric density allowed for mental development, and well as cultural development.

    Things are linked. When eating what was eaten in the Paleolithic, we were grunting savages. Not that the two are inexorably tied, but... I think you see my point.


    Are you trying to imply my amoeba based evolutionary diet isn't scientifically sound?
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
    uoft23 said
    Medjai said
    uoft23 saidAnd those are the keywords there, "Paleo tries". Paleo's attempt to relate itself to science have been shot down by the vast majority of opinions I've read from health and diet professionals. Paleo is healthier than a lot of other fad diets I'd agree, but its still a fad diet that could be improved upon by a healthy well rounded diet because it eliminates healthy foods like most fad diets do.

    I love the pseudo science of an evolutionary based diet though. Personally I think we should get back to the the very first diet man encountered on his evolutionary journey but I'm not sure where I can find 4000 cal/day worth of plankton and diatoms.


    The ability to achieve a higher caloric density allowed for mental development, and well as cultural development.

    Things are linked. When eating what was eaten in the Paleolithic, we were grunting savages. Not that the two are inexorably tied, but... I think you see my point.


    Are you trying to imply my amoeba based evolutionary diet isn't scientifically sound?


    Unless we phagocytose all our food, it's too processed.
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    Feb 23, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
    I didnt read any of this thread.

    I just want to say:

    Eating healthy, wholesome, chemical free food is really good for you. And Paleo does this very well. But dont deny yourself things like pasta, bread, dairy, or other wholesome goodies too. You should try making things yourself then looking at the ingredients at the store for the same things. You would be shocked at the difference.
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    Feb 23, 2013 6:14 AM GMT
    I don't think the OP needs to worry about the paleo diet. He seems to be doing just fine with whatever he's eating now.
  • Adozark

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    Feb 28, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    I have been Paleo for about 5 months (I'm not really strict though, I probually eat 80% Paleo, as in 80% of my meals actually qualify as paleo, I often am away form home and have limited time to get a meal, so I get something healthy, but not necessarily Paleo.

    When I really stick to it, I feel amazing, sometimes I feel almost high. Like I feel like I have tons of energy and after a workout I used to feel really good, now I feel amazing once I get back and take a hot shower It's really almost like what I have felt when I used drugs and got a light buzz. (when I was a teen, I don't touch that stuff now)

    I think the main part of the Paleo diet that matters is huge cut back on sodium, and the non existence of any sugar but fructose from fruit. It will make you realize how far the American diet is from healthy. There are so many benefits that I have gotten from my diet.

    Many Paleo dieters have noticed a dramatic increase of time they can spend in the sun without getting a burn. It's crazy to me what a diet can do.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 28, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    I could never go strict Paleo because there are certain things I just love (like ice cream & yogurt and pancakes and bagels with cream cheese) that I have to splurge and have once in awhile. That said, Paleo has made me much more conscious about what I put in my body, and I try as often as possible to stick to eating non-processed foods and making everything from scratch. Thank god I love beef, pork, turkey, and chicken and that makes it easier. I've never been a big veggie eater though...trying to change that but for the life of me I don't like the taste or texture of most veggies.
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    Trollileo! That was just nasty! icon_surprised.gif