Gay Man Attacked On New York City Subway, Onlookers Do Nothing

  • metta

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    Feb 22, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
    Gay Man Attacked On New York City Subway, Onlookers Do Nothing




    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/gay-man-attacked-new-york-city-subway-hate-crime_n_2733441.html
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    Feb 22, 2013 3:40 AM GMT
    Not justifying this at all, but for the most part, I think it's pretty common for New Yorkers to keep to themselves when something like this is going on....icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 22, 2013 3:42 AM GMT
    metta8 saidGay Man Attacked On New York City Subway, Onlookers Do Nothing


    Is anyone shocked at this? icon_rolleyes.gif New Yorkers are the most self absorbed people on the planet and nobody gives a shit about anyone. I wouldn't live there for all the money in the world.
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    Feb 22, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    Totally unacceptable, shame on those who did nothing
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    Feb 22, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    One night while I was walking through Columbus Circle a man was literally throwing a woman around and kicking/beating the shit out of her. There were like 30 people there, and one couple looked annoyed at having their make out session interrupted. So, being the busy body that I am, I got involved, since no one else would. I called the police and followed the woman for several blocks as she stumbled barefoot and ragged down the street. I stayed on the phone with the dispatchers, giving them a block by block update on her location and direction. About five blocks into this the dude came up behind me. I fell way back, so I could watch them both. The dude, in a very kind voice, said, "I'm so sorry you had to see that. Shit is crazy."

    WTF

    So, you're sorry I saw it??? But you're not sorry you were doing it???

    I followed until the police showed up, and then I went to my hotel room and cried. Not from being sad, but from being angry. It was very callous for people to not even be bothered to pull out their cell phones and call on her behalf.
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    Feb 22, 2013 4:27 AM GMT
    These days, no one will help you. Instead, they'll pull out their cell phones to take pics/video and post on Facebook. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Another thing to keep in mind is that in some areas, people are not willing to get involved because either a) they have a distrust of cops, and/or b) they have the "no snitch" mentality.

    I suspect it's a little bit of both in this particular case.
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    Some things never change.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 22, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    i am not suprised at all. i watched a elderly lady fall outside of the metro and watch a guy step right over her. the douche actually kept on walking. i wanted to chase his ass down but had to check on the lady. there was a woman in front of me who walked around her and kept on walking. another lady who was walking by would have kept on walking had i not stopped. what is the world coming to?
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    Feb 22, 2013 6:36 AM GMT
    Man, I'd get myself into trouble in NYC. Just last week I intervened in an altercation on a bus here in Vancouver... and I do it without the slightest of thought. I just *have* to.

    In NYC I'd probably end up being knifed at some point. icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 22, 2013 7:01 AM GMT
    intensity69 saidMan, I'd get myself into trouble in NYC. Just last week I intervened in an altercation on a bus here in Vancouver... and I do it wihout the slightest of though. I just *have* to.

    In NYC I'd probably end up being knifed at some point. icon_confused.gif


    Being 6'6, I'd doubt anyone would wanna have you going up against them.....no matter WHAT borough they're from icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 22, 2013 8:00 AM GMT
    SxyDrkHair saidWhats up with the pink hat?



    Are you trying to be an IDIOT?
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    Feb 22, 2013 8:11 AM GMT
    I'll be the devil's advocate. Maybe none of you have ever lived in dangerous areas (or maybe were burly enough to hold your own), but if I see shit going down, I keep my head down, my keys in my knuckles, and don't get involved. That's Urban Living 101. You don't know who has guns, who's psychotic, and whether that attacker is just going to turn around and stab you if you try to break it up. I'll call 911 as soon as I see something, but I'm not jumping in the middle of something to get shot.

    Maybe I'm a pussy, I'll take that.
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    Feb 22, 2013 8:12 AM GMT
    Whenever a bystander effect is mentioned in one of my classes, the classic example that every social studies teacher has brought up was of this event from NYC. Long story short, a girl was getting murdered in a public place filled with people, and not a single person stepped in to stop the attacker or even to call for help once the attacker has left her to die.

    I doubt that anyone would step in if, in a crowded area of NYC, a person as mutually sympathized as a child was getting attacked. Or be it a white man in a respectable attire - in the end, the bystander effect will tend to prevail in cities like NY.
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    Feb 22, 2013 9:27 AM GMT
    People commit suicide on by throwing themselves on subway tracks. It's a cold world. Protect yourself and your pack. 6 men were involved, that's just a dangerous situation in what looks like to be uptown A train.

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    Feb 22, 2013 9:28 AM GMT
    Wow I was excited to go for a holiday to NYC but after reading this I feel real shitty about the place now.
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    Feb 22, 2013 9:31 AM GMT
    tuffguyndc saidi am not suprised at all. i watched a elderly lady fall outside of the metro and watch a guy step right over her. the douche actually kept on walking. i wanted to chase his ass down but had to check on the lady. there was a woman in front of me who walked around her and kept on walking. another lady who was walking by would have kept on walking had i not stopped. what is the world coming to?


    Can't imagine this happening in the bay area. I'm always impressed how many people offer a simple good morning when passing on the street here. Always impressed how helpful local bus drivers are with the elderly and handicapped and how often young kids here will offer their seat on the bus to n elderly person.
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    Feb 22, 2013 9:38 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidOne night while I was walking through Columbus Circle a man was literally throwing a woman around and kicking/beating the shit out of her. There were like 30 people there, and one couple looked annoyed at having their make out session interrupted. So, being the busy body that I am, I got involved, since no one else would. I called the police and followed the woman for several blocks as she stumbled barefoot and ragged down the street. I stayed on the phone with the dispatchers, giving them a block by block update on her location and direction. About five blocks into this the dude came up behind me. I fell way back, so I could watch them both. The dude, in a very kind voice, said, "I'm so sorry you had to see that. Shit is crazy."

    WTF

    So, you're sorry I saw it??? But you're not sorry you were doing it???

    I followed until the police showed up, and then I went to my hotel room and cried. Not from being sad, but from being angry. It was very callous for people to not even be bothered to pull out their cell phones and call on her behalf.

    You're a hero, Dancerjack
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    Feb 22, 2013 11:40 AM GMT


    Unmercifully raked over the coals for protecting himself.
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    Feb 22, 2013 11:41 AM GMT
    BlackCat90 saidNot justifying this at all, but for the most part, I think it's pretty common for New Yorkers to keep to themselves when something like this is going on....icon_confused.gif


    This same thing would happen in DC. The fact the man was gay is pretty inconsequential in these types of situation. Those same people wouldn't have helped even if it was a straight man.
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    Feb 22, 2013 11:44 AM GMT
    NerdMonastery saidWow I was excited to go for a holiday to NYC but after reading this I feel real shitty about the place now.


    You're going to make a decision about this after one isolated incident? These type of incidents happen in every major American city from time to time. Do they happen in NYC a little more often? I'm not sure. I don't have the statistics in front of me. In the aggregate, they have more incidents, but that may only be because there are so many people.
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    Feb 22, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    kevmoran saidI'll be the devil's advocate. Maybe none of you have ever lived in dangerous areas (or maybe were burly enough to hold your own), but if I see shit going down, I keep my head down, my keys in my knuckles, and don't get involved. That's Urban Living 101. You don't know who has guns, who's psychotic, and whether that attacker is just going to turn around and stab you if you try to break it up. I'll call 911 as soon as I see something, but I'm not jumping in the middle of something to get shot.

    Maybe I'm a pussy, I'll take that.


    Yeah, it's a sad story, but I can't say I blame the passengers for staying out of it. Depending on what line you're on, there's a good chance the person causing the trouble could be strapped, and the 2 would be one of those lines. NY news used to be full of stories of samaritans that got stabbed and/or shot for stepping into matters just like this one. If it happened somewhere out in KS, maybe that'd be a little different. Plus, if you're a guy that has to wear a pink hat and ride the 2, you better learn how to fight.
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    Feb 22, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
    Oh well... I did'nt know him.....
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    Feb 22, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    I'm just surprised nobody took pics to get on the NY Post frontpage.
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    Feb 22, 2013 4:31 PM GMT
    I can't believe no body did anything. Shame on them!
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    Feb 22, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    Why are you guys saying the people who did nothing should be ashamed of themselves? Those people did not know that guy being attacked? So why should they help?