election fatigue...

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    Oct 07, 2008 6:25 AM GMT
    i'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!
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    Oct 07, 2008 7:49 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidi'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!

    Oh I am so glad you werent at Valley Forge! ... icon_rolleyes.gif ... icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 2:55 PM GMT
    I am not surprised that Americans get sick of the election. The process including primaries is nearly a year long. I am amazed that anything gets accomplished by the Government during that period.
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    Oct 07, 2008 3:03 PM GMT
    I'm with you dancerjack! I'm overstimulated. icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 3:04 PM GMT
    But I don't get it...if you're sick of it...why would you create a thread speaking about it? icon_eek.gif

    Just wondering. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidi'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!



    AMEN brother, amen!



    just vote for who you think is the lesser of two evils, shove your head between you knees and kiss you ass goodbye.


    poke a fork in DancerJack!
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    In2Lectual saidBut I don't get it...if you're sick of it...why would you create a thread speaking about it? icon_eek.gif

    Just wondering. icon_wink.gif



    because i'm sick of all the threads about it. find a new topic. no one here has changed anyone's mind about this election through all this banter. talk about something important for a change... like... like... i dunno. anything except satan palin.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    As I have been saying for the past few weeks in many political threads that didn't go so well, only 27 days until we get RJ back.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:12 PM GMT
    Or, put another way...only 27 more days until Hillary starts her campaign for 2012 icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:23 PM GMT
    I am right there with you. McCain or Obama, just get it over with. We know enough about both of them. If you do not by now, you are not politically astute. I really think most people could make an intelligent vote tomorrow. More ads? More debates?

    Save you the time:

    McCain is old and he is mostly conservative, and white. Very.

    Obama is young and he is mostly liberal, and black. Not so. Half.

    Both love the Country.

    Both will change everything (and nothing really)

    What either would have done in Valley Forge, I do not know. Taken polls, I guess, cause neither is George Washington or even close to the stature of our Founding Fathers.

    Let's vote already.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    That would be an interesting topic, has anyone on RJ changed who they would vote for based on some of the discussions on RJ? Could you set that up for me DJ? icon_wink.gif

    What I do when I'm tired of reading about the election is scroll quickly through those posts looking only at the images, I can almost see Caslon and HndsmKansan banging the sh!t out of CuriousJock and saying, "You're voting Obama, right bitch!".

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    Just kidding guys but if there is a film available let me know! I'll pay!

    By the way... I actually enjoy the political posts. Some of the guys actually make some very good points and I've learned a little from both sides of the argument. Most of the guys do nothing but spout angry rhetoric but sometimes that can be interesting too.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    If you need something else to be sick about... I was in the hardware store this morning and they've already replaced the lawn&garden stuff with christmas decorations. There oughtta be a law - I don't want to see any of that crap until at least December 1.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    I don't think many minds were changed. I do, however, think that like the rest of the country we have been building consensus around the parties' nominees. The Obama V Clinton threads during the primary were filled with just as much vitriol and name calling.

    Even though minds haven't changed the discussion has been useful for both sides to explore their own level of support of their candidate. But still, election day can't come fast enough.
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    Oct 07, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIf you need something else to be sick about... I was in the hardware store this morning and they've already replaced the lawn&garden stuff with christmas decorations. There oughtta be a law - I don't want to see any of that crap until at least December 1.


    That was because Obama came in a said,
    Summer is over, it's time for a change icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 07, 2008 7:41 PM GMT
    Personally-

    I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

    Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

    Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.
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    Oct 07, 2008 7:58 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidPersonally-

    I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

    Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

    Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.


    I don't usually engage in these threads, for the reasons you listed but since you asked a fair question...


    I can't tell you why YOU should. I can tell you why *I* am, though. Note I wasn't a big Obama supporter before the primary finished, if it matters.

    I believe that what we and the world needs right now, is a U.S. willing to engage in diplomacy again. We HAVE to talk to both our enemies and our allies. And we have to be good at it. Obama, like him or not, has charisma. And he will talk to other nations. Similar (though I don't like him) to Reagan during the cold war.

    I believe that the country needs a leader who is smarter than I am. More educated than I am. I believe that someone who is both more educated than I am and has experienced the lower half of our social pyramid is exactly what we need.

    I believe that, for all his youth, Obama is a wise man who, most importantly, THINKS about things before he decides. And once he's made a decision, he's still willing to change that opinion under the force of further evidence. The world is an uncertain and changing place. We need someone at the helm of this country who can think about problems, who can process them and make decisions, but also evaluate those decisions and change them if necessary. I believe Obama can do that.

    As a side issue, but also important, I believe Obama will do more for civil rights and science, important things to me. ENDA and DADT, for example. Civil unions. Abortion rights. Stem cell research. Primary research funding.

    I believe that he will do what he thinks is right, after lots of thought, and will try to balance both his privileged knowledge and our public opinion, and damn the party line.

    And, the truth is, I believe that even given a military campaign, Obama would be a better leader. I believe he has the intelligence to pick good advisers and listen to the right people on the ground, not the people who tell him what he wants to hear.

    That's why I'm voting for Obama.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 07, 2008 8:01 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidPersonally-

    I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

    Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

    Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.


    OK, I've got an answer for you. I'm sure you know The Economist. Not a liberal publication by any stretch. In it's current issue, it includes a survey of OVER 600 economists and their analysis of the two candidates' economic plans. By a large majority, they favored Obama. Yes, Obama. Read here:

    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

    If that doesn't help make an informed choice, I don't know what will.
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    Oct 07, 2008 8:22 PM GMT
    Diver-

    You had me at "personally.....

    You lost me at...abortion rights"


    Just kidding. I think I agree with you 90%. I will come right and say it. I think he is bright and articulate and has bearing and some wisdom. I think he can restore some of the luster we have lost in the world community. I do think he is bright and I do think he will surround himself with intelligent people. I know he has read Doris Kearns book about Lincoln and how Lincoln invited his enemies onto his Cabinet because he wanted the best regardless of party.

    But, don't forget that Kennedy was smart and charming and all get out, and met with Kruschev in his first year totally unprepared, Kruschev sized him up, saw that he was a lightweight, and thus begat the cold war. Berlin Wall, Missiles of October, ect.

    Anyway, I digress. Great case made for Obama. Enough to make me want to risk the chance that he is a stuffed suit and actually vote for him, which I might.

    I don't care about what school someone went to. Leadership and charisma comes from with and Obama definitely has it.
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    Oct 07, 2008 8:30 PM GMT
    Eric-

    I do read The Economist. I saw that article. My only problem is that most economists don't agree with each other most of the time, but I seriously doubt Obama will do 5% of what is in his plan. Politicians never do. They get into office and say "hey!!! nobody told me about this! and nobody told me about that!" "My numbers were not based on THIS!"

    Remember Arnold when he ran for Governor and said he was going to do this and that, or dis un dat, then when he saw the real numbers and realized he had to deal with an Assembly with their own agendas and all the great plans went out the window? Et tu Obama?

    Maybe. If he makes Warren Buffett his Secretary of Economics I would feel much better.

    But good response. Good article. Good reason to vote for him. It can't get worse.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 07, 2008 9:35 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Triggerman said[/cite]Diver-

    You had me at "personally.....

    You lost me at...abortion rights"

    ::nods:: I try not to tell people what to do beyond to vote for who you think will do the best job (note not who you'd like to have a beer with, or who looks better in a swimsuit or who has more or less houses), even if that disagrees with me.

    I don't care what school he went to, just that he did well at it, took it seriously, and clearly got something out of it. I know brilliant people who went to community college and idiots who went to Yale. But the brilliant people all took it seriously and did well.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 07, 2008 9:44 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidEric-

    I do read The Economist. I saw that article. My only problem is that most economists don't agree with each other most of the time, but I seriously doubt Obama will do 5% of what is in his plan. Politicians never do. They get into office and say "hey!!! nobody told me about this! and nobody told me about that!" "My numbers were not based on THIS!"

    Remember Arnold when he ran for Governor and said he was going to do this and that, or dis un dat, then when he saw the real numbers and realized he had to deal with an Assembly with their own agendas and all the great plans went out the window? Et tu Obama?

    Maybe. If he makes Warren Buffett his Secretary of Economics I would feel much better.

    But good response. Good article. Good reason to vote for him. It can't get worse.


    Yeah, you're right. Politicians don't always hold true to their words. And as far as Schwarzenegger, I was in New York when California elected him. It was odd being back to hear him in the news, I was so sure I was watching some comedy or something. I'm finally used to him.

    But, yes, I do hope Obama makes some brave cabinet choices. I'm not sure Buffet is the best choice, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope he truly shows some bipartisanship in some of his choices. It may or may not help to have Dems control both the House and the Senate. I hope they understand the times we're in are not business as usual. I hope they demonstrate some discipline.
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    Oct 07, 2008 9:51 PM GMT
    I'm so sick of it too. I just want to vote and go to sleep and have it all be over.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 07, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    EricLA said
    But, yes, I do hope Obama makes some brave cabinet choices. I'm not sure Buffet is the best choice, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope he truly shows some bipartisanship in some of his choices. It may or may not help to have Dems control both the House and the Senate. I hope they understand the times we're in are not business as usual. I hope they demonstrate some discipline.


    Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 07, 2008 9:57 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.


    At this point I wouldn't be surprised if one of the candidates suddenly exploded into a cloud of alien beetles and ate the audience.
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    Oct 07, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    The Dow dropped another 500 points today.

    I don't think anything either of them says from here on matters. The crash is deciding the election. And it is a crash, worse than the one in 1987 (which I lived through on the trading floor of the stock exchange).

    The Fed announced today that it would buy commercial paper. This has never happened, not even in 1929.

    The TED index has risen to 3.56. The usual range of the index is between 0.01 and 0.19. This is a rise of (using an average of 0.10) almost 4000%.

    FOUR. THOUSAND. PERCENT.

    Do you really think a town hall is going to change anything? Or some dusty old reference to Bill Ayers?