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i'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!

dancerjack saidi'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!

Oh I am so glad you werent at Valley Forge! ... ...

I am not surprised that Americans get sick of the election. The process including primaries is nearly a year long. I am amazed that anything gets accomplished by the Government during that period.

I'm with you dancerjack! I'm overstimulated.

But I don't get it...if you're sick of it...why would you create a thread speaking about it?

Just wondering.

dancerjack saidi'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!

AMEN brother, amen!



just vote for who you think is the lesser of two evils, shove your head between you knees and kiss you ass goodbye.


poke a fork in DancerJack!
...so to speak

In2Lectual saidBut I don't get it...if you're sick of it...why would you create a thread speaking about it?

Just wondering.

because i'm sick of all the threads about it. find a new topic. no one here has changed anyone's mind about this election through all this banter. talk about something important for a change... like... like... i dunno. anything except satan palin.

As I have been saying for the past few weeks in many political threads that didn't go so well, only 27 days until we get RJ back.

Or, put another way...only 27 more days until Hillary starts her campaign for 2012

I am right there with you. McCain or Obama, just get it over with. We know enough about both of them. If you do not by now, you are not politically astute. I really think most people could make an intelligent vote tomorrow. More ads? More debates?

Save you the time:

McCain is old and he is mostly conservative, and white. Very.

Obama is young and he is mostly liberal, and black. Not so. Half.

Both love the Country.

Both will change everything (and nothing really)

What either would have done in Valley Forge, I do not know. Taken polls, I guess, cause neither is George Washington or even close to the stature of our Founding Fathers.

Let's vote already.

That would be an interesting topic, has anyone on RJ changed who they would vote for based on some of the discussions on RJ? Could you set that up for me DJ?

What I do when I'm tired of reading about the election is scroll quickly through those posts looking only at the images, I can almost see Caslon and HndsmKansan banging the sh!t out of CuriousJock and saying, "You're voting Obama, right bitch!".



Just kidding guys but if there is a film available let me know! I'll pay!

By the way... I actually enjoy the political posts. Some of the guys actually make some very good points and I've learned a little from both sides of the argument. Most of the guys do nothing but spout angry rhetoric but sometimes that can be interesting too.

If you need something else to be sick about... I was in the hardware store this morning and they've already replaced the lawn&garden stuff with christmas decorations. There oughtta be a law - I don't want to see any of that crap until at least December 1.

I don't think many minds were changed. I do, however, think that like the rest of the country we have been building consensus around the parties' nominees. The Obama V Clinton threads during the primary were filled with just as much vitriol and name calling.

Even though minds haven't changed the discussion has been useful for both sides to explore their own level of support of their candidate. But still, election day can't come fast enough.

mindgarden saidIf you need something else to be sick about... I was in the hardware store this morning and they've already replaced the lawn&garden stuff with christmas decorations. There oughtta be a law - I don't want to see any of that crap until at least December 1.

That was because Obama came in a said,
Summer is over, it's time for a change

Personally-

I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.

Triggerman saidPersonally-

I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.

I don't usually engage in these threads, for the reasons you listed but since you asked a fair question...


I can't tell you why YOU should. I can tell you why *I* am, though. Note I wasn't a big Obama supporter before the primary finished, if it matters.

I believe that what we and the world needs right now, is a U.S. willing to engage in diplomacy again. We HAVE to talk to both our enemies and our allies. And we have to be good at it. Obama, like him or not, has charisma. And he will talk to other nations. Similar (though I don't like him) to Reagan during the cold war.

I believe that the country needs a leader who is smarter than I am. More educated than I am. I believe that someone who is both more educated than I am and has experienced the lower half of our social pyramid is exactly what we need.

I believe that, for all his youth, Obama is a wise man who, most importantly, THINKS about things before he decides. And once he's made a decision, he's still willing to change that opinion under the force of further evidence. The world is an uncertain and changing place. We need someone at the helm of this country who can think about problems, who can process them and make decisions, but also evaluate those decisions and change them if necessary. I believe Obama can do that.

As a side issue, but also important, I believe Obama will do more for civil rights and science, important things to me. ENDA and DADT, for example. Civil unions. Abortion rights. Stem cell research. Primary research funding.

I believe that he will do what he thinks is right, after lots of thought, and will try to balance both his privileged knowledge and our public opinion, and damn the party line.

And, the truth is, I believe that even given a military campaign, Obama would be a better leader. I believe he has the intelligence to pick good advisers and listen to the right people on the ground, not the people who tell him what he wants to hear.

That's why I'm voting for Obama.

Triggerman saidPersonally-

I am an independent and I am not sure who I will vote for. I like and dislike both candidates. On here it is 95% Obama fans so I do challenge them as much as I can to get a real response as to why I should vote Obama, but all I usually get is, shut up fucking LCR or GOP self hater...(I love the self hater one).

Can anyone give me a good reason for voting for Obama that does not include why I should not vote for McCain, why I should hate Bush, why Palin is an idiot.

Tell me about Obama. Why is this Junior Senator from Illinois qualified to run the single largest economy, country, military in the world.

OK, I've got an answer for you. I'm sure you know The Economist. Not a liberal publication by any stretch. In it's current issue, it includes a survey of OVER 600 economists and their analysis of the two candidates' economic plans. By a large majority, they favored Obama. Yes, Obama. Read here:

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127

If that doesn't help make an informed choice, I don't know what will.

Diver-

You had me at "personally.....

You lost me at...abortion rights"


Just kidding. I think I agree with you 90%. I will come right and say it. I think he is bright and articulate and has bearing and some wisdom. I think he can restore some of the luster we have lost in the world community. I do think he is bright and I do think he will surround himself with intelligent people. I know he has read Doris Kearns book about Lincoln and how Lincoln invited his enemies onto his Cabinet because he wanted the best regardless of party.

But, don't forget that Kennedy was smart and charming and all get out, and met with Kruschev in his first year totally unprepared, Kruschev sized him up, saw that he was a lightweight, and thus begat the cold war. Berlin Wall, Missiles of October, ect.

Anyway, I digress. Great case made for Obama. Enough to make me want to risk the chance that he is a stuffed suit and actually vote for him, which I might.

I don't care about what school someone went to. Leadership and charisma comes from with and Obama definitely has it.

Eric-

I do read The Economist. I saw that article. My only problem is that most economists don't agree with each other most of the time, but I seriously doubt Obama will do 5% of what is in his plan. Politicians never do. They get into office and say "hey!!! nobody told me about this! and nobody told me about that!" "My numbers were not based on THIS!"

Remember Arnold when he ran for Governor and said he was going to do this and that, or dis un dat, then when he saw the real numbers and realized he had to deal with an Assembly with their own agendas and all the great plans went out the window? Et tu Obama?

Maybe. If he makes Warren Buffett his Secretary of Economics I would feel much better.

But good response. Good article. Good reason to vote for him. It can't get worse.

[quote][cite]Triggerman said[/cite]Diver-

You had me at "personally.....

You lost me at...abortion rights"

::nods:: I try not to tell people what to do beyond to vote for who you think will do the best job (note not who you'd like to have a beer with, or who looks better in a swimsuit or who has more or less houses), even if that disagrees with me.

I don't care what school he went to, just that he did well at it, took it seriously, and clearly got something out of it. I know brilliant people who went to community college and idiots who went to Yale. But the brilliant people all took it seriously and did well.

Triggerman saidEric-

I do read The Economist. I saw that article. My only problem is that most economists don't agree with each other most of the time, but I seriously doubt Obama will do 5% of what is in his plan. Politicians never do. They get into office and say "hey!!! nobody told me about this! and nobody told me about that!" "My numbers were not based on THIS!"

Remember Arnold when he ran for Governor and said he was going to do this and that, or dis un dat, then when he saw the real numbers and realized he had to deal with an Assembly with their own agendas and all the great plans went out the window? Et tu Obama?

Maybe. If he makes Warren Buffett his Secretary of Economics I would feel much better.

But good response. Good article. Good reason to vote for him. It can't get worse.

Yeah, you're right. Politicians don't always hold true to their words. And as far as Schwarzenegger, I was in New York when California elected him. It was odd being back to hear him in the news, I was so sure I was watching some comedy or something. I'm finally used to him.

But, yes, I do hope Obama makes some brave cabinet choices. I'm not sure Buffet is the best choice, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope he truly shows some bipartisanship in some of his choices. It may or may not help to have Dems control both the House and the Senate. I hope they understand the times we're in are not business as usual. I hope they demonstrate some discipline.

I'm so sick of it too. I just want to vote and go to sleep and have it all be over.

EricLA said
But, yes, I do hope Obama makes some brave cabinet choices. I'm not sure Buffet is the best choice, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope he truly shows some bipartisanship in some of his choices. It may or may not help to have Dems control both the House and the Senate. I hope they understand the times we're in are not business as usual. I hope they demonstrate some discipline.

Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.

CuriousJockAZ said
Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if one of the candidates suddenly exploded into a cloud of alien beetles and ate the audience.

The Dow dropped another 500 points today.

I don't think anything either of them says from here on matters. The crash is deciding the election. And it is a crash, worse than the one in 1987 (which I lived through on the trading floor of the stock exchange).

The Fed announced today that it would buy commercial paper. This has never happened, not even in 1929.

The TED index has risen to 3.56. The usual range of the index is between 0.01 and 0.19. This is a rise of (using an average of 0.10) almost 4000%.

FOUR. THOUSAND. PERCENT.

Do you really think a town hall is going to change anything? Or some dusty old reference to Bill Ayers?

Cant stand these political forums either!

CuriousJockAZ said

EricLA said
But, yes, I do hope Obama makes some brave cabinet choices. I'm not sure Buffet is the best choice, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope he truly shows some bipartisanship in some of his choices. It may or may not help to have Dems control both the House and the Senate. I hope they understand the times we're in are not business as usual. I hope they demonstrate some discipline.

Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.

True. And as I said, I rule nothing out. I'm a Democrat. I've seen other elections go down in flames for us. But, pollsters don't think it's likely for McCain to turn it around. I know it's from a "liberal blog," but give it a look -- it won't kill you (and I won't tell your friends):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/can-ayers-save-mccain-pol_n_132724.html

DiverScience said

CuriousJockAZ said
Perhaps you should wait and see if he actually wins the election -- 4 weeks in this 24 hour news cycle can be a very long time, and anything can, and probably will, happen.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if one of the candidates suddenly exploded into a cloud of alien beetles and ate the audience.

Kucinich has been out of the race for a while now, I think we're safe.

I am definately sick and damned tired of this upcoming presidential election. It is to the point where I don't even want to hear or read the news anymore. All these politicians slinging mud at one another like a bunch of juveniles. Whether it is local, regional, state, or federal politics it is all the same old shit. Instead of focusing on important issues, all these political candidates are interested in are endless accusations, name-calling, and minor petty bullshit. It is no wonder that most Americans despise politics and politicians in general.

I wish that the US didn't take 18 months to elect a President. What a waste.

No kidding. And you know Clinton is going to start her campaign for 2012 on Nov 5th.

Yeah, this process is heavy duty . . . . but it is the only process we have at the moment.

Today I see that the McCain/Palin campaign continue to behave nasty. So, why don't they answer this:

"McCain needs to go back and admit to the Religious right that he was dating and engaged to his current wife while he was still married. He needs to discuss why he crashed every plane he ever flew. Why did he serve on a board that was affiliated with white supremicists and Nazi sympathizers.

Palin needs to discuss why she continued to be married to a man that belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to succeed from the United States and cursed the United States. She needs to explain how she could leave a small town 22 million dollars in debt. She needs to describe what books she wanted to ban from the public library and why. She needs to explain why she feels qualified to be the VP instead of going out and running down everyone else."

BTW: I read that McCain has not even begun planning and/or organizing a transition team whereas Obama has done so with acute planning, strategy, insight and preparedness. It is very unusual that, at this late stage of the campaign, a campaign without a transition team "in process" -- is believed to be negligent and worrisome. I think its very telling of McCain - his realistic perception that he will lose (and lose big) and why he solely "smears" Obama to attempt to distract voters from what is important. Oh, and for the first time in many many years, West Virginia polls show McCain losing his lead from 11 to 1 point. Analysts are speculating that this movement is a strong indicator of what will happen in the days ahead.

OBAMA/BIDEN 08

and B787-

Maybe we need to know why you are so quick to believe anything that anyone tells you just because you want so badly to believe that it is true. McCain crashed every plane he flew? Really? Need I say more? Typical liberal hogwash, easily discredited with a simple fact check. But typical liberal attacks on a guy that fought and served his country.

HighVoltageGuy saidI'm with you dancerjack! I'm overstimulated.

And underwhelmed... and a bit numb at this point!

i think there should be some regulation on this whole process:

*you cannot keep making the primaries earlier
*you cannot start campaigning more than 6 months prior
*you cannot raise or spend more than $x million

just give it to me in a small dose at the end of the current administration... it's getting to the point that people start thinking about the next election less than half-way through the current incumbant's tenure. what is this? suddenly the elections feel more like shopping for xmas lights the day after halloween... stupid.

MunchingZombie saidAs I have been saying for the past few weeks in many political threads that didn't go so well, only 27 days until we get RJ back.

Thanks for showing me the correct thread LOL, I was starting to think I was the only one LOL.

Chizzad said

MunchingZombie saidAs I have been saying for the past few weeks in many political threads that didn't go so well, only 27 days until we get RJ back.

Thanks for showing me the correct thread LOL, I was starting to think I was the only one LOL.

No problem.
And only 25 days to go.

My other complaint about our presidential election process is not only that it is too damn long but also why is it that both New Hampshire and Iowa have to kick off the primary elections? What gives those two states the lawful right to always be the first two primary holders? What is so damn special about both New Hampshire and Iowa? Why can't both Michigan and Florida be the first two states to hold primary elections for a change? I think this favoritism towards Iowa and New Hampshire needs to be made a thing of the past since both those states are somewhat irrelevant to our nation's economy and population distribution.

Rhodielifter saidNo kidding. And you know Clinton is going to start her campaign for 2012 on Nov 5th.

So true

A buddy and I came up with this idea YEARS ago:
Everybody's So Sec No is placed into a huge hopper and spun, then a drawing is made starting with President on down to Dog Catcher.
{The only way your Number isn't included is Mental Illness ( See * Below) and or living outside the U.S}.

The major disqualification? When your name is called you yell "HOORAY! I won!" (* An obvious sign of mental illness)
Um, no you didn't. You're outta here. NEXT!

You serve ONE 6 year term. Period. If you try again, you are shot by the Secret Service. (This part is negotiable..who does the shooting, that is.)

OK, could it be any worse than the current system? Look at how much money the country could save. Of course several TV and Radio stations and a few newspapers would fold instantly due to the lack of ad revenue. Small loss.

Comedian Lewis Black said it best, after soundly trashing the GOP much to the delight of the liberal crowd in attendance: "Oh, like the Democrats are any better?! The Republicans say "I've got a shitty Idea." and the Democrats jump up and say "I can make it shittier!"
"You enter the polling booth with two handfuls of dogshit and you have to decide which one smells less than the other...."



We need a viable third party..and no I don't mean Ralph Nader or Ross Perot type. I said "viable".

RoadbikeMike-

"My other complaint about our presidential election process is not only that it is too damn long but also why is it that both New Hampshire and Iowa have to kick off the primary elections? What gives those two states the lawful right to always be the first two primary holders?"

How about California, since it is the largest economy in the U.S. ? Should we not have the biggest say? Based on population AND economy?

JW

dancerjack saidi'm so sick of this election... can't it just hurry up and happen for sweet baby jesus's sake? i am sick sick sick sick sick to death of it... this bullshit started last summer and has been coming at us in an uninterrupted and ever escalating stream since last may or june. i'm done. my turkey is baked. let's just get it over with. god!

That's why elections are right after Halloween. So you can stop paying attention to them halfway through October, concentrate on getting shit-faced in costume and sick from candy for two weeks, and then catch up for the last three and probably most interesting days.

I think the states that should kick off the presidential primaries should be California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Washington. The states that I listed should be super tuesday primaries that kick off the election process in January since these states are economically most important.

I like the idea of regional primaries. Divide the country into six to ten groups of neighboring states that have primaries on the same day. That way the candidates can actually spend some time in each part of the country, instead of zipping around to the biggest cities and ignoring the rest.

For some reason, I'm getting polled about twice a day now. I tried telling the last lady who called that I'll vote for whichever candidate will stop by this afternoon and help me cut and split this firewood. (Not too unreasonable; I think this one was about state reps.) Unfortunately, that wasn't one of the check-boxes on her form.

I would be happy if we put term limits on all elected offices. So politicians could actually work on the job at hand and not spend all their time trying to get re-elected and raising money to get re-elected and handing out government money in ways that will get them re-elected.

Give the President a six year term, and alternate parties each time and let everyone vote each time.

Parties are the problem. Both parties. They both care more about their party than they do about the citizenry.

Make government service what it was intended to be: a temporary position so that good people could "serve" and get back out.

Pipedream, I know. But I can dream.

Remind yourself that this may turn out to be one history-making/breaking election. Then it's easier to handle.

And to think this thread was intended to get RJ'ers to stop pontificating politics...

A-D-D much?

Stop pontificating on an RJ forum? Maybe in the fitness sections.

ADD? yeah, probably.

But no one is forced to come here and read responses, so I think you protest a bit much. Why read this long long thread?

Just curious....

he likes my long, long thread... he told me so... in private. sexy.

Yeah, right, your long long anything does nothing for me. Not in private and not in public.

I pitch. I do not catch. Long, short, fat, skinny, makes no difference. I never see them. I see shoulder blades and the back of a head.

But nice try.

I think US election campaigns are far too short, maybe the primary season should be 18 months long instead? After all what is the media going to talk about after November 4th?

I've had it since the primaries... can't WAIT for it to be over. This election has made me cranky at everyone and at everything.

I'm not sick of it per-say, however it is becoming rather fatiguing and being that I have already voted I'm just eager to see the results!!! Just a TAD eager here!!!

Nope...it is all a part of the process!

Triggerman saidYeah, right, your long long anything does nothing for me. Not in private and not in public.

I pitch. I do not catch. Long, short, fat, skinny, makes no difference. I never see them. I see shoulder blades and the back of a head.

But nice try.

Yikes Triggerman. I think DancerJack was referring to BodyWork4 and he was only joking.

DancerJack you a'ight by me