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  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    I'm a troll. I have started to post on the Catholic Answers Forums under the name MartiniLuther.

    I struggle with my sexuality there. I seek advice from strong Catholics there. And I intend to educate them--- not by insulting them but by infiltrating their silly little hate group. I am agnostic, but I can fake a good relationship with Jesus.

    I hope that some of you will join me.
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    Feb 23, 2013 8:26 PM GMT
    Catholic Charities serve over 1M free meals in Chicago every year. That's 3,000 meals every day of the year. You don't need to be Catholic, not even Christian. . . Just hungry.

    That's some silly little hate group.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    They condemn homosexuality.
    The Ku Klux Klan also does charity work.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_recruitment#Charity_Work_and_Recruitment

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    Feb 23, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    Eh. You'd have more fun on a Forum with a more Southern form of Christianity - i.e. Baptists, Evangelists.

    American Catholics are pretty lapse about the whole gay issue.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 8:30 PM GMT
    Well, considering the messages that I've gotten from so many on that site who claim that I should be celibate, quoting scriptures to support their claims, I'm happy to educate them.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    I find it ironic that any group who calls themselves a "church" automatically gains the respect of everyone. Because of their "beliefs," which are okay, even if they are harming others.

    If you read up, you will find that the only organization in history who has killed more people in the name of religion is the Nazi regime in Germany. And they, too, were Catholic.

    Praise his Holy Fuckin' Name!!
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    Feb 23, 2013 9:03 PM GMT
    ben70 saidCatholic Charities serve over 1M free meals in Chicago every year. That's 3,000 meals every day of the year. You don't need to be Catholic, not even Christian. . . Just hungry.

    That's some silly little hate group.


    I would just notce that Catholic Charities receive about 2/3 of their funding from Gov't contracts. I question if it is completely "charitiy" if taxpayers -Not Catholics themselves - are paying for such services. In such matters Catholic "Charities" act more like Gov't contractors than anything else. Not only do tax-payers fund Catholic services, but Catholic Contractors of gov't contracts are often exempt from many standards a secular non-profit contractor would be subject to.

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    Feb 23, 2013 9:08 PM GMT
    "In 2010 Catholic Charities received nearly $2.9 billion, or about 62 percent of its annual revenue, from tax dollars, and only 3 percent from the church."

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120111/discuss/701119970/
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 9:11 PM GMT
    qaz12 said"In 2010 Catholic Charities received nearly $2.9 billion, or about 62 percent of its annual revenue, from tax dollars, and only 3 percent from the church."

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120111/discuss/701119970/


    You should read ANYTHING by Malachi Martin. Start with "Keys of This Blood"

    And thanks for the link and the info... checking it out now!
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    Feb 23, 2013 9:16 PM GMT

    Dan, say what?!?

    "I find it ironic that any group who calls themselves a "church" automatically gains the respect of everyone."

    Right. Like you and I (who are part of 'everyone') really respect that Scientology church and Westboro church, among others.

    I no tink so.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Dan, say what?!?

    "I find it ironic that any group who calls themselves a "church" automatically gains the respect of everyone."

    Right. Like you and I (who are part of 'everyone') really respect that Scientology church and Westboro church, among others.

    I no tink so.


    Sorry. I worded that wrong. I meant that they gain the respect of Sheeple.
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    Feb 23, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidThey condemn homosexuality.
    The Ku Klux Klan also does charity work.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_recruitment#Charity_Work_and_Recruitment




    Yet one dosn't hear blacks or Jews talking about the "Charity work" of the KKK. One would be hard press to find a Black or Jew supporting, much less belonging to a group working against their interests. Yet how many "Gay Catholics" are there? Very sad.
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    Feb 23, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
    Catholics, the KKK, and Nazis? Look no further than Archbishop Rummels desegregation of parochial schools in New Orleans before the
    Civil Rights Movement, or Father Baccari's saving hundreds of Jewish orphans during WWII, to find out that this is not true.

    Few Catholics deny the evil and corruption that's existed throughout our 2,000 year history. The catholic church is not divine (only God is divine). We make mistakes - we are human beings, far from perfect. We live, learn, and move on. I doubt the Church would exist today if we didn't acknowledge our sins.

    You are angry, and for whatever reason, focus your frustrations on the catholic church. You ask for an open mind without extending that same courtesy.

    Sorry if this sounds preachy, and I'm the last person who should preach to you. It's OK for folks on the Answers Forum to disagree with you, but I hope they are respectful to your views.

    You are a good person, and I hope you find peace with your spirituality and sexuality.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Feb 23, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
    ben70 saidCatholics, the KKK, and Nazis? Look no further than Archbishop Rummels desegregation of parochial schools in New Orleans before the
    Civil Rights Movement, or Father Baccari's saving hundreds of Jewish orphans during WWII, to find out that this is not true.

    Few Catholics deny the evil and corruption that's existed throughout our 2,000 year history. The catholic church is not divine (only God is divine). We make mistakes - we are human beings, far from perfect. We live, learn, and move on. I doubt the Church would exist today if we didn't acknowledge our sins.

    You are angry, and for whatever reason, focus your frustrations on the catholic church. You ask for an open mind without extending that same courtesy.

    Sorry if this sounds preachy, and I'm the last person who should preach to you. It's OK for folks on the Answers Forum to disagree with you, but I hope they are respectful to your views.

    You are a good person, and I hope you find peace with your spirituality and sexuality.


    I'm already at peace with my spirituality and sexuality. I have been for many years. But I do not condone the actions of the Catholic Church. And you, if you are a part of it, are a part of the problem. Thanks!

    What's wrong with Catholics? Go be Episcopal. They actually care about Jesus' message.
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    Feb 23, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    IceBuckets saidEh. You'd have more fun on a Forum with a more Southern form of Christianity - i.e. Baptists, Evangelists.

    American Catholics are pretty lapse about the whole gay issue.


    Are you seriously? Do you know at all about the U.S. Conference of Bishops stances regarding gay issues? Maybe you are referring to the avg. American Catholicy lay person compared to overall Evangelists members?

    What I find odd about American Catholics though is that most Catholics I know don't believe or take church teachings seriously.One heterosexual married guy I know has to even "correct" what his daughter learns at Catholic school regarding homosexuality (His brother/ her uncle is gay). Why raise one's child in a faith where you have to "correct" and don't even agree with church teachings?

    Say what one will about Evangelists, but at least they actually believe the stuff their church teaches.

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    Feb 23, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    Also I know several gays brought up Catholic who struggled to accept themsevles because of their Catholic upbringing. Catholic teachings/upbringing literally messed them up in their head. Yet they stay Catholic. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome!
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    Feb 23, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
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    IceBuckets saidEh. You'd have more fun on a Forum with a more Southern form of Christianity - i.e. Baptists, Evangelists.

    American Catholics are pretty lapse about the whole gay issue.


    Are you seriously? Do you know at all about the U.S. Conference of Bishops stances regarding gay issues? Maybe you are referring to the avg. American Catholicy lay person compared to overall Evangelists members?

    What I find odd about American Catholics though is that most Catholics I know don't believe or take church teachings seriously.One heterosexual married guy I know has to even "correct" what his daughter learns at Catholic school regarding homosexuality (His brother/ her uncle is gay). Why raise one's child in a faith where you have to "correct" and don't even agree with church teachings?

    Say what one will about Evangelists, but at least they actually believe the stuff their church teaches.


    This is what I'm referring to. I'm also speaking from the mere observation from a north eastern perspective so that opinion is a bit skewed to be honest towards the left anyway. icon_razz.gif
  • Jayguy06

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    Feb 23, 2013 10:39 PM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidI find it ironic that any group who calls themselves a "church" automatically gains the respect of everyone. Because of their "beliefs," which are okay, even if they are harming others.

    If you read up, you will find that the only organization in history who has killed more people in the name of religion is the Nazi regime in Germany. And they, too, were Catholic.

    Praise his Holy Fuckin' Name!!


    Hitler created his own religion, the last thing he would have wanted was for germans being loyal to something besides the state. And more than half of germany isnt/wasn't catholic...
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    Feb 23, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    qaz12 saidAlso I know several gays brought up Catholic who struggled to accept themsevles because of their Catholic upbringing. Catholic teachings/upbringing literally messed them up in their head. Yet they stay Catholic. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome!


    There are certain things I had to leave behind. My experience was hardly as traumatizing as one might think. I actually felt very accepted by my old Catholic friends. Two people actually helped me accept myself.

    The things I choose to keep from my Catholic upbringing are truly helpful. I am strong and wise enough to know what is toxic.

    For me, reading the news about the church is like watching a loved one struggle thru some sort of tragic self destruction. I have a love/hate relationship with the church, and I can keep it arms length, but still feel a pang of dismay when they fuck it up...yet again.

    Should I put on my raincoat in anticipation of a shitstorm headed my way? icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 23, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    ben70 said ... and I hope you find peace with your spirituality and sexuality.


    I was with you till that last part, and I found that quite patronizing, even though it was not directed at me.
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    Feb 24, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    qaz12 said"In 2010 Catholic Charities received nearly $2.9 billion, or about 62 percent of its annual revenue, from tax dollars, and only 3 percent from the church."

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120111/discuss/701119970/


    Rather than rely on a quote from a third party blog I actually looked up the audited 2012 financial statements of ShareLife, the umbrella group for the Roman Catholic charities in Toronto. What a surprise: in the past two years ShareLife raised $C 31M and none of it came from governments - most of it from individual donations. Maybe Government donations to Catholics are a local thing in the US.

    I wonder what the 2,600 Roman Catholic priests sent to Dachau alone (!) (according to Wikipedia's entry on Nazi's and Religion) would think of the assertion that Catholicism was the state religion of the Nazis, especially since most Germans are (and were) Protestants.icon_rolleyes.gif

    Anyway, good luck with the proselytism, Dan. Who knows, maybe you'll be able to get people to look at things in a way they hadn't thought of before. Dialogue is always a good start.



  • thatirishbast...

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    Feb 24, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    Draper said
    danisnotstr8 saidI'm a troll. I have started to post on the Catholic Answers Forums under the name MartiniLuther.

    I struggle with my sexuality there. I seek advice from strong Catholics there. And I intend to educate them--- not by insulting them but by infiltrating their silly little hate group. I am agnostic, but I can fake a good relationship with Jesus.

    I hope that some of you will join me.


    I'll pass. If you ever get HIV/AIDS, the Catholic church might be helping you. But you can always refuse their help.

    "The Catholic Church became a world leader in the provision of care to victims of AIDS. In 2008, the UK's Guardian newspaper reported that:
    The Catholic Church is the biggest private provider of AIDS care in the world, providing antiretroviral treatment, home-care visits and counseling to one in four of the world's 33.3 million AIDS patients, according to the Catholic charity Caritas International. In 2008, members of the Catholic HIV and AIDS network spent 180 million euros (about $235 million) on assistance.

    With the spread of the disease to North America, the Church in the United States established the National Catholic AIDS Network to provide care to AIDS patients, their families and loved ones. By 2008, Catholic Charities USA had 1,600 agencies providing services to AIDS sufferers, including housing and mental health services.

    AIDS arrived in Australia in the 1980s. Soon after, the Sisters of Charity began to admit patients suffering from the mysterious new disease at St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, in Sydney's inner city, which became a world leader in HIV research.

    Much of the Church's aid effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".


    Which all means nothing after the Pope travels to Africa and preaches that condoms send you to hell. Which he did.
  • irishguy202

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    Feb 24, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
    Im Catholic but I really only seek God and to grown and to be more like Jesus. I never have any interest in what other Catholics are doing at all, although I will always be impress with Mother Teresa and her beautiful heart towards humanity. She sought to act as Jesus would. And fully give of herself. I think that is all we are supossed to be.
    God himself probably agrees with you, but I can imagine he would say "be patient with them, I am."
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    Feb 24, 2013 1:30 AM GMT
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    qaz12 said"In 2010 Catholic Charities received nearly $2.9 billion, or about 62 percent of its annual revenue, from tax dollars, and only 3 percent from the church."

    http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120111/discuss/701119970/


    Rather than rely on a quote from a third party blog I actually looked up the audited 2012 financial statements of ShareLife, the umbrella group for the Roman Catholic charities in Toronto. What a surprise: in the past two years ShareLife raised $C 31M and none of it came from governments - most of it from individual donations. Maybe Government donations to Catholics are a local thing in the US.

    ...



    Ok, fair enough a blog is not an offical financial statement. Below is a link the CatholicCharities of the archdioceses of chicago annual 2012 report. Notice on pg 26: 151,454.766 (79.7%) revenue source from government sources (i.e., taxpayers). In the US ( I haven't really researched other countries) Catholic Charities are often highly funded by gov't contracts.

    http://www.catholiccharities.net/www/pdf/publications/annual_report/2012_annual_report.pdf

    edit: you will notice similar funding numbers for 2011 also on pg 26 of the report.
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    danisnotstr8 saidI'm a troll. I have started to post on the Catholic Answers Forums under the name MartiniLuther.

    I struggle with my sexuality there. I seek advice from strong Catholics there. And I intend to educate them--- not by insulting them but by infiltrating their silly little hate group. I am agnostic, but I can fake a good relationship with Jesus.

    I hope that some of you will join me.


    I'll pass. If you ever get HIV/AIDS, the Catholic church might be helping you. But you can always refuse their help.

    "The Catholic Church became a world leader in the provision of care to victims of AIDS. In 2008, the UK's Guardian newspaper reported that:
    The Catholic Church is the biggest private provider of AIDS care in the world, providing antiretroviral treatment, home-care visits and counseling to one in four of the world's 33.3 million AIDS patients, according to the Catholic charity Caritas International. In 2008, members of the Catholic HIV and AIDS network spent 180 million euros (about $235 million) on assistance.

    With the spread of the disease to North America, the Church in the United States established the National Catholic AIDS Network to provide care to AIDS patients, their families and loved ones. By 2008, Catholic Charities USA had 1,600 agencies providing services to AIDS sufferers, including housing and mental health services.

    AIDS arrived in Australia in the 1980s. Soon after, the Sisters of Charity began to admit patients suffering from the mysterious new disease at St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, in Sydney's inner city, which became a world leader in HIV research.

    Much of the Church's aid effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".


    Which all means nothing after the Pope travels to Africa and preaches that condoms send you to hell. Which he did.


    Yeah, I just knew that dirty old kid fucker liked it raw,