British cardinal: Next pope should review marriage ban since ‘Jesus didn’t say that’

  • metta

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    Feb 23, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    British cardinal: Next pope should review marriage ban since ‘Jesus didn’t say that’

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/22/british-cardinal-next-pope-should-review-marriage-ban-since-jesus-didnt-say-that/
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    Feb 23, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
    Now if only they would come to the same conclusion on gay marriage that "Jesus didn't say that"....technically the Bible is absent on gay marriage. The closest thing being mentioned is the story of Jonathan and David.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 23, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    Jockular saidNow if only they would come to the same conclusion on gay marriage that "Jesus didn't say that"....technically the Bible is absent on gay marriage. The closest thing being mentioned is the story of Jonathan and David.
    All the heads of right wing hardliners are going to explode like atomic bombs when they are forced to face that historic, biblical fact.
  • Lincsbear

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    Feb 23, 2013 9:56 PM GMT
    The church has changed its mind on many matters over the centuries.

    They rely on the fact that people have short lives and memories!
  • JackDoyle

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    Feb 23, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
    They should just leave the religion the way it is no point pickin and changing stuff, hopefully the religion will just die out, no one goes to church anymore
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    Feb 24, 2013 3:45 AM GMT
    Jesus, however, DID say divorce was wrong ... doesn't seem to stop people going through a few spouses. I know preachers on their second marriage.

    THAT part of the Bible they can make personal allowances for.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 26, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
    xalphaa saidJesus, however, DID say divorce was wrong ... doesn't seem to stop people going through a few spouses. I know preachers on their second marriage.

    THAT part of the Bible they can make personal allowances for.
    If Jesus really condemned divorces, than what do all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs who have married and divorced, remarried and than divorced again have to say for themselvesicon_question.gif Oh not to forget that fat slob right winger Rush Limbaugh, what does he have to say for himselficon_question.gif
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    xalphaa saidJesus, however, DID say divorce was wrong ... doesn't seem to stop people going through a few spouses. I know preachers on their second marriage.

    THAT part of the Bible they can make personal allowances for.
    If Jesus really condemned divorces, than what do all the narrow minded, bible thumping screwballs who have married and divorced, remarried and than divorced again have to say for themselvesicon_question.gif Oh not to forget that fat slob right winger Rush Limbaugh, what does he have to say for himselficon_question.gif


    A whole branch of the church was formed over this.

    Needless to say, the bible is only followed when its convenient.
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:19 AM GMT
    The entire of cannon law is based on things that Jesus didn't say but rather the church felt empowered by God to elaborate upon icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    A moot point now, at least as far as this Cardinal's views are concerned, since he's just abruptly resigned. Or to be more precise, his pending resignation was "fast tracked" by the Pope himself when allegations broke about him having "inappropriate relations" with 4 priests. icon_eek.gif

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17086012-britains-top-catholic-cleric-resigns-amid-allegations-of-inappropriate-behavior?lite
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:44 AM GMT
    Yes the Pope wants the new pope to be of a moral High Ground, so he will be above the threat of black mail.

    I fear this is gong to turn into a homosexual witch hunt, to rid the church of it's homosexual element. Is this going to be a warning for homosexuals and our half brothers the bisexuals, from joining organisations that do not want us?

    As many homos and bis have such a long history of ignoring such rules, of no gay, such as religions and military.
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
    Adam228 saidThe entire of cannon law is based on things that Jesus didn't say but rather the church felt empowered by God to elaborate upon icon_razz.gif


    Which is pretty much where every branch of Christianity came from after the split from the RCC. Then those groups couldn't even agree so they kept dividing themselves because those who disagree rarely find agreement with among themselves.
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    Feb 26, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidA moot point now, at least as far as this Cardinal's views are concerned, since he's just abruptly resigned. Or to be more precise, his pending resignation was "fast tracked" by the Pope himself when allegations broke about him having "inappropriate relations" with 4 priests. icon_eek.gif

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17086012-britains-top-catholic-cleric-resigns-amid-allegations-of-inappropriate-behavior?lite


    ^^^^^^THIS! See ( heheh - "holy see") what happens when you step outta line with the dogma and hierarchy!
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    ATC84 said
    Adam228 saidThe entire of cannon law is based on things that Jesus didn't say but rather the church felt empowered by God to elaborate upon icon_razz.gif


    Which is pretty much where every branch of Christianity came from after the split from the RCC. Then those groups couldn't even agree so they kept dividing themselves because those who disagree rarely find agreement with among themselves.


    Paul, the creator of Pauline Christianity, made a religion that was at odds with Jesus.

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    Feb 26, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    Jockular saidNow if only they would come to the same conclusion on gay marriage that "Jesus didn't say that"....technically the Bible is absent on gay marriage. The closest thing being mentioned is the story of Jonathan and David.


    Search the entire New Testament and nowhere will you find any documentation where Jesus told his disciples to write anything down. He told them to go out and PREACH the good new of salvation and the kingdom of god. He also told them that whoever hears you hears me. There are alot of issues that have arisen since the time of Jesus that the Church has had to address and the Catholic Church believes it was founded and commissioned by Jesus and his disciples to do exactly that and is well within her rights to decide whether her priests can marry and which of its followers and under what circumstances they are elligible for marriage.

    The Church law forbidding the Sacrament of Matrimony to the Roman Catholic clergy is just that - Church law and not divine law. The Church is well within her rights to change that law if it sees fit. You may be interested in knowing there are other rites within the Catholic Church (Roman Catholic is only one rite among many in the Church) that allow priests to be married. I believe the only stipulation is that they must marry before they take Holy Orders and they may not be elevated to the office of bishop if married., although I'm no expert on canon law. In the past priests of the Roman rite were allowed to be married and it is quite possible for them to be allowed to be married again in the future. Not because the Bible says its permissible but because canon law says it is.

    Now if there was solid scriptural basis for not allowing a married clergy; i.e., Jesus is directly quoted as reserving the priesthood to celibate males and there was a tradition of no married priests going back to Apostolic times, that would be something entirely different and the Church would feel she had no right to change something she felt was divinely ordained.
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    Feb 26, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    Menergy_1 said
    ART_DECO saidA moot point now, at least as far as this Cardinal's views are concerned, since he's just abruptly resigned. Or to be more precise, his pending resignation was "fast tracked" by the Pope himself when allegations broke about him having "inappropriate relations" with 4 priests. icon_eek.gif

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/25/17086012-britains-top-catholic-cleric-resigns-amid-allegations-of-inappropriate-behavior?lite

    ^^^^^^THIS! See ( heheh - "holy see") what happens when you step outta line with the dogma and hierarchy!

    Yes, I did wonder whether the Pope making the Cardinal's earlier "nunc pro tunc" (now for then/later) resignation immediately "nunc" (now) was entirely due to the evolving & unproven sex scandal, or partly because of the Cardinal's public endorsement of a married priesthood a few days earlier.
  • trl_

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    Mar 09, 2013 8:40 AM GMT
    The ban on priest marriage is not common to all churches in the Catholic Church, only the Roman Catholic Church which just happens to be the largest and most visible of the 23 churches within the full Catholic Church.

    The other 22 Catholic churches (Melkite Catholic Church, the Armenian Catholic Church, Maronite Catholic Church, et al.), and all the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Churches let their priests marry and have children.

    Just something to think about.

    They basically just keep the celibacy thing for Roman Catholic priests because it's a tradition from medieval times. My guess is because marriage in feudal medieval Europe maybe meant getting caught up in land, money/dowry, and contractual secular issues that could conflict with the time and legal requirements of being a priest. There's no real reason for Roman Catholic priest celibacy IMO in our era since all the other churches in the Catholic Church let their priests marry and we now live in a different society from the one that initiated that practice.
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    Mar 09, 2013 8:48 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said. I believe the only stipulation is that they must marry before they take Holy Orders and they may not be elevated to the office of bishop if married., although I'm no expert on canon law.


    The Eastern Churches take their bishops from monasteries and all bishops are monks, not from the ranks of the presbyter priests like the Roman Church. It's in order to prevent them from being too involved in world affairs and instead be more preoccupied with spiritual guidance of their flock since they have been monks in seclusion. Maybe the Roman Church could take notes? lol
  • TroyAthlete

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    Mar 09, 2013 9:17 AM GMT
    Alternate title: "British cardinal destroys any chance of being made pope"
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    Mar 09, 2013 9:30 AM GMT
    Jesus didn’t say a lot things that church claims he said he did, and in reality we will never what he said, and what he didn’t say, due to the way the early church destroyed scripts and hide scripts .
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    Mar 09, 2013 10:03 AM GMT
    The RC Church has become a laughing stock. Given that most of its adherents don't even bother to follow its rules any more, what is the point of it?
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    Mar 09, 2013 10:27 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe RC Church has become a laughing stock. Given that most of its adherents don't even bother to follow its rules any more, what is the point of it?


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    Mar 09, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    If they did remove the marriage ban, they'd have much better priests available, instead of the bottom feeders recruited from foreign countries that blather on in thick accents in churches today. I was once at a wake where people (including me) started walking out. And half the people in the room were jewish, so much for converting them.....