Well was it to be a "Willy Horton" approach? Swift Boating? Nothing like a republican presidential candidate that can't win on the issues and falling behind in the polls. I remember in 1992 when the Bush machine tried about everything to beat up on Clinton, but the issues were with him...... and GH Bush didn't have much to offer except a bunch of personal attacks.
He was defeated.
And now we have "a couple of mavericks" who do things differently! I think we've seen how different these two are based on the past.
Geeze, I'll be glad when this shit is over... I'm fed up with the ineptitude of both candidates - they're both out of touch. When might we gain two candidates that actually are in tune and prepared to lead and who can garner votes by ability and not mud-slinging.
Well let you stated in your post when you can't when on the issues and you are tanking in the polls you revert back to type!
I was so disappointed in Senator McCain's blatant display of lack of respect not only for a fellow candidate but t for his colleague it's going to be very difficult to watch this debate if his manner is more of the same.
His behavior has just been shameful, especially since he said he would not resort to this type of politics.
Whose next Michelle? Oh he wouldn’t dare because they are loaded with amo with Gov. Palin she be the Maverick that she is!
Calling Senator Obama out on character issues he's been running from the entire campaign is not nasty politics -- it's fair politics. I hope McCain nails Obama to the wall tonight in the debate and forces Obama to admit his association with a known terrorist, William Ayers...To force Obama to admit his association with a slick Chicago criminal named Tony Rezco. America needs to know the TRUTH about both candidates...warts and all. This idea that Obama has been playing nicey nicey during the whole campaign is nothing but a bunch of CROCK! You can bet that Senator McCain will also have to answer to his association with the Keating 5 scandal, and he will, and he has, and he, in fact, changed his entire focus as a politician after that scandal to clean up corruption in government. Obama doesn't want this campaign to turn nastier because he knows that America, enlightened, may stop swooning over him. All Obama and his people can say right now is that McCain is "running from the issues", also a CROCK, when anyone who has listened to a McCain speech (or a Palin speech) can see quite clearly that McCain/Palin have been talking and focusing on all the issues. The gloves are off, and it's about freaking time.
CuriousJockAZ saidCalling Senator Obama out on character issues he's been running from the entire campaign is not nasty politics -- it's fair politics. I hope McCain nails Obama to the wall tonight in the debate and forces Obama to admit his association with a known terrorist, William Ayers...To force Obama to admit his association with a slick Chicago criminal named Tony Rezco. America needs to know the TRUTH about both candidates...warts and all. This idea that Obama has been playing nicey nicey during the whole campaign is nothing but a bunch of CROCK! You can bet that Senator McCain will also have to answer to his association with the Keating 5 scandal, and he will, and he has, and he, in fact, changed his entire focus as a politician after that scandal to clean up corruption in government. Obama doesn't want this campaign to turn nastier because he knows that America, enlightened, may stop swooning over him. All Obama and his people can say right now is that McCain is "running from the issues", also a CROCK, when anyone who has listened to a McCain speech (or a Palin speech) can see quite clearly that McCain/Palin have been talking and focusing on all the issues. The gloves are off, and it's about freaking time.
I hope Obama nails McCain against the wall with his mudslinging and seals the election TONIGHT!
McCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
Speaking of dubious associations (by Palin who's attacking Obama for some early acquaintances), here is a 10 minute exploration by Keith Olberman of some Palin associations:
JohnG16775 saidMcCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
Oh puleeeeze... the man was the son of an admiral....he got away with being crappier than hell....graduated like 8th from the bottom of a class of 800....crash several training planes....crashed 5 fighters....and got his ass captured being a smart-aleck. He himself admits his poor judgment. He cant keep riding that getting captured bit forever. ....that was 40 years ago ....We arent electing him Mr Prisoner of War. ....this is for the presidency.
AbFab1 saidSpeaking of dubious associations (by Palin who's attacking Obama for some early acquaintances), here is a 10 minute exploration by Keith Olberman of some Palin associations:
AbFab1 saidSpeaking of dubious associations (by Palin who's attacking Obama for some early acquaintances), here is a 10 minute exploration by Keith Olberman of some Palin associations:
McCain/Palin started this with her already proved false allegation that Obama "pals around with terrorist" .. Yep they want to "turn the page" on economics so they can lie and smear. It just goes to show that that old keating 5 mentality is still the McSame ..
Even now he uses his "connections" to keep Palin from answering subpoenas involving abuse of power firing people for personal vendettas .. Two peas in a pod .. I can see that the bush-like abuses of power will continue if he is elected.
JohnG16775 saidMcCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
I am not sure what that has to do with being an effective politician, but that is beside the point.
Senator McCain's biggest barrier to being elected is his predecessor, George W. Bush. I personally think he erred when he chose Sarah Palin, a social conservative, as his running mate. For independent voters I am sure it brought back memories of the past 8 years and the culture wars. He may have won kudos from the Christian right-wing voters, but he has undoubtedly alienated many others.
The meltdown of the financial system in the US will also be a tremendous obstacle to overcome. Perhaps Senator McCain will win if he can convince undecided voters that Senator Obama is too inexperienced and risky, but continuing many of President Bush's policies must be a tough sell. If he had continued to be the "maverick" that he prides himself on he may have had a better shot right now at the White House.
BodyWork4 saidGeeze, I'll be glad when this shit is over... I'm fed up with the ineptitude of both candidates - they're both out of touch. When might we gain two candidates that actually are in tune and prepared to lead and who can garner votes by ability and not mud-slinging.
I know McCain is out of touch, but give me one example where Obama is out of touch.
CuriousJockAZ saidCalling Senator Obama out on character issues he's been running from the entire campaign is not nasty politics -- it's fair politics. I hope McCain nails Obama to the wall tonight in the debate and forces Obama to admit his association with a known terrorist, William Ayers...To force Obama to admit his association with a slick Chicago criminal named Tony Rezco. America needs to know the TRUTH about both candidates...warts and all. This idea that Obama has been playing nicey nicey during the whole campaign is nothing but a bunch of CROCK! You can bet that Senator McCain will also have to answer to his association with the Keating 5 scandal, and he will, and he has, and he, in fact, changed his entire focus as a politician after that scandal to clean up corruption in government. Obama doesn't want this campaign to turn nastier because he knows that America, enlightened, may stop swooning over him. All Obama and his people can say right now is that McCain is "running from the issues", also a CROCK, when anyone who has listened to a McCain speech (or a Palin speech) can see quite clearly that McCain/Palin have been talking and focusing on all the issues. The gloves are off, and it's about freaking time.
Have you ever looked up the term "ideological zombie"?
CuriousJockAZ saidCalling Senator Obama out on character issues he's been running from the entire campaign is not nasty politics -- it's fair politics. I hope McCain nails Obama to the wall tonight in the debate and forces Obama to admit his association with a known terrorist, William Ayers...To force Obama to admit his association with a slick Chicago criminal named Tony Rezco. America needs to know the TRUTH about both candidates...warts and all. This idea that Obama has been playing nicey nicey during the whole campaign is nothing but a bunch of CROCK! You can bet that Senator McCain will also have to answer to his association with the Keating 5 scandal, and he will, and he has, and he, in fact, changed his entire focus as a politician after that scandal to clean up corruption in government. Obama doesn't want this campaign to turn nastier because he knows that America, enlightened, may stop swooning over him. All Obama and his people can say right now is that McCain is "running from the issues", also a CROCK, when anyone who has listened to a McCain speech (or a Palin speech) can see quite clearly that McCain/Palin have been talking and focusing on all the issues. The gloves are off, and it's about freaking time.
So this mudslinging is supposed to enlighten America? Did you ever think to check into the policies, worldview, and writings of these candidates?
JohnG16775 saidMcCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
So is Lance Armstrong. But I won't be voting for him either. I ignored John Kerry's heroism when I voted for him. It's about policy positions, world view, and intelligence. Do research.
You criteria seems to be severly myopic and suggests irresponsibility as a voter.
Here's a nice little article about the McCain/Palin KKK-style rallies going on. Nice people, those repugnicans. Anyone else read about the hanging from a tree of the effigy of Obama a week or so ago at whatever christian university that was? I'll scout it out unless someone knows off the top of his head where it was.
McCain and Palin are racist, homophobic scum. Their supporters are rabid, drooling jackals.
Lions and tigers and bears .. OH MY! and sarah shot them all for their legs! watch those videos above! Palin and her hubby palling around with witch hunters and secessionist terrorists!
Obama effigy found in Oregon shows ugly side of Northwest
Officials at George Fox University in Newberg, Ore., (a school founded more than a century ago by Quakers) said they found a life-size cardboard cutout of Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama "attached by fishing line to a tree." A sign, reading "Act Six reject," was taped to the effigy. The cutout was found Tuesday morning and immediately taken down. University President Robin Baker is set to address undergraduates at 11:15 a.m. today.
"We will not tolerate such displays and condemn it in the strongest terms," Baker said in a press statement Wednesday. "George Fox University is committed to becoming a place that more broadly represents the Kingdom of God - a place where students from diverse backgrounds come together to live out the teachings of Jesus in our world."
Still in the same press statement, George Fox University said:
"University administrators do not know who put the cutout up or its intended meaning. The university requests that any information about the cutout be shared with the university's Office of Student Life."
Administrators don't know what it means? Please.
The school's Act Six program provides scholarships to student leaders from urban Portland. Many, but not all, are students of color, according the university's release.
JohnG16775 saidMcCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
Oh puleeeeze... the man was the son of an admiral....he got away with being crappier than hell....graduated like 8th from the bottom of a class of 800....crash several training planes....crashed 5 fighters....and got his ass captured being a smart-aleck. He himself admits his poor judgment. He cant keep riding that getting captured bit forever. ....that was 40 years ago ....We arent electing him Mr Prisoner of War. ....this is for the presidency.
Exactly. He doesn't have the temperament to run this country. If he had turned back once he dropped the bomb from his plane (as you are supposed to do) he wouldn't have been captured. He wanted to stick around and witness the destruction instead.
Too often he tried to cram an "I" in the word "team", and got in trouble for it.
Well, I don't have the temperament either. I'd send all religious zealot homophobes to an island where none of the opposite sex would be present, and let them fuck each other into tolerance. ;-P
if you read this story McCain's temperament and hunger for power makes sense .. as Commander in Chief he will finally outrank his Father .. From his own book .. this is scary ..
John Sidney McCain III has spent most of his life trying to escape the shadow of greater men. His grandfather Adm. John Sidney "Slew" McCain earned his four stars commanding a U.S. carrier force in World War II. His deeply ambitious father, Adm. "Junior" McCain, reached the same rank, commanding America's forces in the Pacific during Vietnam.
The youngest McCain was not cut from the same cloth. Even as a toddler, McCain recalls in Faith of My Fathers, his volcanic temper was on display. "At the smallest provocation," he would hold his breath until he passed out: "I would go off in a mad frenzy, and then, suddenly, crash to the floor unconscious." His parents cured him of this habit in a way only a CIA interrogator could appreciate: by dropping their blue-faced boy in a bathtub of ice-cold water.
It's astonishing to read the blathering of both sides and utter refusal to admit their own candidate may be just as flawed.
Tonight seems like a great opportunity for both sides to set the record straight as they have both told a lot of lies.
I am surprised how many of you think your party owns the exclusive rights to common sense. You are so willing to call anyone who disagrees with you pathetic and stupid. I am a bit in awe that the same people accusing others of taking the low road seem hell bent on doing the same.
An Obama or McCain presidency is not going to usher in "real change". Both candidates have failed to shine since their conventions and nominations. This election will be the equivalent of taking out the trash, not ushering in a new way of life. Either choice will be just as inadequate as the other.
Typical democrat...Someone doesn't agree with YOU, so they must be "a typical excuse for a voter". Character, whether you want to admit it or not, is a very important consideration, among other things, when choosing a President.
Typical democrat...Someone doesn't agree with YOU, so they must be "a typical excuse for a voter". Character, whether you want to admit it or not, is a very important consideration, among other things, when choosing a President.
Hey now. I am a Democrat and I don't use absolute terms in describing my vote. I stick by my assertion that both sides have something to offer and we have to be respectful to get through the next four years. I am sick of either side being characterized by a loud few. Fuck, RJ forums are worse than "the View".
Typical democrat...Someone doesn't agree with YOU, so they must be "a typical excuse for a voter". Character, whether you want to admit it or not, is a very important consideration, among other things, when choosing a President.
I'm not a Democrat and I am not typical either. Learn a little nuance and stop thinking so lazily.
You seem to be so focused on past associations and other symbols that you likely have no actual clue about the substance of either candidates' positions (as researched, not heard on TV).
I don't blame you for claiming to be a republican, I just blame you for arriving at that choice with what seems to be very little actual or rational thought. But perhaps you merely think being a gay GOPer makes you seem different and more masculine, since it is the more aggressive, straight-white-male party. But it's rife with potential internal conflict and frankly it comes off as slightly creepy. And it's too bad the folks in the party who you think respect you for being there are actually laughing at you behind your back, "silly faggot". So how does loneliness feel, "Curious Jock from Arizona"? But hey...being a maverick can be a lonely business. Too bad that maverick label doesn't seem to apply to you. You seem to instead have bumbled into your association with the GOP and are completely opposed to reconsidering it even though the party has turned to a cancer all around you. The fact that "curious" is in your handle couldn't possibly mean intellectual curiousity. After all, when any sort of passionate argument about something that is actually real comes up, you cast aside truth as "drama". Yeah...truth=drama to folks in severe denial about very basic things.
Go ahead and reply with a few more trite labels though. Karl Rove loves guys like you...so impressionable and obedient in their recitations.
I ask the other posters and lurkers, once again: Where are the REAL gay GOP warriors? ...the ones who face down the intolerant, unsustainable elements of their party and try to change minds?
I ask the other posters and lurkers, once again: Where are the REAL gay GOP warriors? ...the ones who face down the intolerant, unsustainable elements of their party and try to change minds?
XRuggerATX said. But perhaps you merely think being a gay GOPer makes you seem different and more masculine, since it is the more aggressive, straight-white-male party.
Please! Gay republicans are all a bunch of legs up Lucys!
XRuggerATX said I ask the other posters and lurkers, once again: Where are the REAL gay GOP warriors? ...the ones who face down the intolerant, unsustainable elements of their party and try to change minds?
Just to clarify, Rugger, I am NOT here to "change minds", I am merely voicing my opinion. If I wanted to try and change minds here it would be akin to banging my head against a wall - nooooooooooo thank you! As for changing minds in the Republican party, I'm not necessarily a "Republican", but rather just voting that way this time. And, by the way, no Republican I know has ever called me a "silly faggot". Nope, that kind of name calling only comes from the more nasty bitter and angry gay democrats here at RJ who whine for acceptance out of one side of their mouth, and attack anyone with a different view than theirs out of the other.
JohnG16775 saidMcCain- a true American Hero boys. he did his service and didnt shrink away when called. Something for everyone to think about when they go into that booth.
how about i just right in POW in on my ballot.. and whichever wants it the most and can beat up all of the others, gets my vote... since all it takes is service to our country and imprinsonment to another.. get a grip, there a millions of true american heroes in this country and guess what.. not all are fit to lead our country.. and neither is john mccain, imo
XRuggerATX said I ask the other posters and lurkers, once again: Where are the REAL gay GOP warriors? ...the ones who face down the intolerant, unsustainable elements of their party and try to change minds?
Just to clarify, Rugger, I am NOT here to "change minds", I am merely voicing my opinion. If I wanted to try and change minds here it would be akin to banging my head against a wall - nooooooooooo thank you! As for changing minds in the Republican party, I'm not necessarily a "Republican", but rather just voting that way this time. And, by the way, no Republican I know has ever called me a "silly faggot". Nope, that kind of name calling only comes from the more nasty bitter and angry democrats here at RJ.
You probably are changing a few impressionable minds here, actually, whether you mean to or not. You are not changing the ones that are arguing with you, and I doubt I am either. But the lurkers and infrequent posters might be a different story. But more importantly, what minds are you changing within the party?
As for "silly faggot" slurs -- you can't hear it after you leave the room. But they are calling you this. Promise. They just wait until you leave.
XRuggerATX said As for "silly faggot" slurs -- you can't hear it after you leave the room. But they are calling you this. Promise. They just wait until you leave.
Ahhhhh, there we go again, that "victim" mentality. I could care less what they call me when I leave the room. Now, when I'm in the room, THAT is another story. Regardless, I don't walk around everyday worrying about such trivial stuff. If I did, I'd just be another "victim" I s'pose...I choose not to be that. You should too. Life is too short.
XRuggerATX said As for "silly faggot" slurs -- you can't hear it after you leave the room. But they are calling you this. Promise. They just wait until you leave.
Ahhhhh, there we go again, that "victim" mentality. I could care less what they call me when I leave the room. Now, when I'm in the room, THAT is another story. Regardless, I don't walk around everyday worrying about such trivial stuff. If I did, I'd just be another "victim" I s'pose...I choose not to be that. You should too. Life is too short.
Got your back. Was having fun for a while till I read Ruggers attack on you, and by extension, me and all that do not vote for the Messiah.
Keep up the good work. Keep thinking independently.
JW
What "work"? Independent from who? Gays? Thinking independently from GOP dogma might be more prudent.
Understand I'm "attacking" a group here, it's just that CJAZ offers himself up as a reflection of that group so often. He's an extremely willful point-person.
As for the victim barb you threw in the subsequent post, I've been through a lot and have no mental space in my life for acting the victim. If I chose that route, I'd certainly be dead by now. Perpetual victims don't know how to live.
Nice little label though. Too bad it didn't apply.
Disassociating yourself with people who will stab you in the back for their own twisted ideaology is not being a victim, it is simply a matter of self-respect.
Triggerman saidDid someone just call me a silly faggot when I got up and left the room to piss?
Yep, but it didn't come from one of those alleged "gay hating Republicans"...Nope, it was one of those poor "victimized" hypocrites known as an angry bitter gay democrat. Crossing one of them on their angry march to "acceptance" is, well, unacceptable
You are attacking an individual. AZ. Don't play it off like you are making some big social commentary.
You are attacking an individual.
Keep up the good work? "work"?
The work of being independent enough to come on forums like this that are 95% liberal, God Bless them, and be willing to make a statement that does not agree with the group.
Whether I agree with him or not, and I do on this, I applaud him for having the guts and balls to state what he feels.
That is what I meant by keep up the good work. Speak your mind. Do not be afraid of the masses.
Triggerman saidDid someone just call me a silly faggot when I got up and left the room to piss?
Yep, but it didn't come from one of those alleged "gay hating Republicans...Nope, it was one of those poor "victimized" hypocrites known as an angry bitter gay democrat
Let's put the "angry" and "bitter" labels to rest once and for all. How? Owning up to it.
People in this country have a right to be angry. Some are even bitter. Look around you (venture out of suburbia first). Read the articles. Watch the markets. Check the gas pumps.
Angry? Bitter? Absolutely. There wasn't enough of this in '04 and the crap ended up flowing even more.
The victims do nothing about it. The fighters turn it into action. Sometimes people get bitter for very good reasons. Calling it bitter doesn't change that one bit. It's like saying "the sky is blue, goddamit!" You are stating the obvious.
You are attacking an individual. AZ. Don't play it off like you are making some big social commentary.
You are attacking an individual.
Keep up the good work? "work"?
The work of being independent enough to come on forums like this that are 95% liberal, God Bless them, and be willing to make a statement that does not agree with the group.
Whether I agree with him or not, and I do on this, I applaud him for having the guts and balls to state what he feels.
That is what I meant by keep up the good work. Speak your mind. Do not be afraid of the masses.
I respect that immensely.
It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you.
Being on places like this remind me so much of being the only gay kid in my high school.
Either you shut up and get along, or you stick your neck out and say hey, I am gay.
and you know you will get attacked. and you know that it will not be easy. and it would be so much easier to just shut up and shrink down and be a nobody in the group and hopes that no one notices.
but once in a while you need to say, FUCK EM. I am who I am. I think the way I feel and I will be who I am.
It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you.
Okay now, you need to step away from the keyboard, you're becoming unhinged...breath in positive thoughts....breathe out the negative...in positive...out negative...that's right...in....out....ahhhhhhhhhhh...feel better now? It's gonna be okay, rug, really it is...in....out...in....out...good boy
Triggerman saidBeing on places like this remind me so much of being the only gay kid in my high school.
Either you shut up and get along, or you stick your neck out and say hey, I am gay.
and you know you will get attacked. and you know that it will not be easy. and it would be so much easier to just shut up and shrink down and be a nobody in the group and hopes that no one notices.
but once in a while you need to say, FUCK EM. I am who I am. I think the way I feel and I will be who I am.
AZ, more power to ya.
Gay isn't a choice. GOP is.
Poor example.
A guy who constantly sheds the spotlight on himself as "different" should be able to explain why. He leaves too much to the imagination, and with all the problems GOP leaders have introduced, it's hard to imagine any good motives here.
"It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you."
What a condescending piece of shit. Rugger, you can do, and should do, better than that.
Triggerman said"It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you."
What a condescending piece of shit. Rugger, you can do, and should do, better than that.
You know, you don't have to play by someone else's rules. There is something to be said for the high road, especially in this case. Ignore this shit.. It is just so stupid and ineffective.
It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you.
Okay now, step away from the keyboard, you're becoming unhinged...breath in positive thoughts....breathe out the negative...in positive...out negative...that's right...in....out....ahhhhhhhhhhh...feel better now? It's gonna be okay, rug, really it is...in....out...in....out...good boy
So someone who is able to write more eloquently and passionately than you is "becoming unhinged"? Is this a door metaphor? I don't get it.
You can try to paint me as such if you prefer, but I actually believe that the rationality being thrown at you is causing you to cast a false label. So this does not discredit me, if that's what you are going after.
Your stream-of-(semi)consciousness typing style might be seen as a bit more "unhinged", if I were one to use such a label.
Triggerman said"It may feel like work, but it is worthless. He just comes on here to seem different and toss out a meaningless label every now and then. If that's inspiring to you, you might be interested in a few baseless cults holding fort in a rural area near you."
What a condescending piece of shit. Rugger, you can do, and should do, better than that.
Hey man I didn't call you condescending for making me the bumper sticker king, so don't play that card. It's a cop-out.
I was merely saying that his simply being different without much backup shouldn't impress you. More is needed.
Your stream-of-(semi)consciousness typing style might be seen as a bit more "unhinged", if I were one to use such a label.
Hey, I just sensed some unbridled anger and feared you may start hyperventilating. Pardon moi´ for trying to help out another gay brother and talk ya off a cliff...tsk..tsk.
FINE! Wallow in your anger for all I care. It's 85 degrees out. I'm going to go float on a raft in the pool.
(CJ dollops on some sunscreen, slips on a pair of board shorts, and heads his "silly faggot" self out to get a fabulous tan)
Who got nasty? When did I say anything nasty about you? I get called unhinged.
Ah, fuck, why bother. These forums are by liberals for liberals. No thought needed. Just agree with the majority and you can get along just fine. Dum dee dum...
Your stream-of-(semi)consciousness typing style might be seen as a bit more "unhinged", if I were one to use such a label.
Hey, I just sensed some unbridled anger and feared you may start hyperventilating. Pardon moi´ for trying to help out another gay brother and talk ya off a cliff...tsk..tsk.
FINE! Wallow in your anger for all I care. It's 85 degrees out. I'm going to go float on a raft in the pool.
(CJ dollops on some sunscreen, slips on a pair of board shorts, and heads his "silly faggot" self out to get a fabulous tan)
HUGS To ALL!
Nah...wallowing would be frustration without action. Not me.
Either way, different priorities. Fine. Best of luck with that tan.
Triggerman saidWho got nasty? When did I say anything nasty about you? I get called unhinged.
Ah, fuck, why bother. These forums are by liberals for liberals. No thought needed. Just agree with the majority and you can get along just fine. Dum dee dum...
Actually, we need more gay GOPers in these forums, because I know they are out there and I'd hope that this site represents a good cross-section.
I'm good friends with a few gay GOPers here in TX. They explain themselves very well, and are warriors trying to bring the party back to it's honorable days. If the GOP were more like it used to be, I'd consider voting that way in certain elections. But right now the constitution is safer with other parties that are not the GOP.
The few gay GOPers on these boards are doing a disservice by falling back on apocalyptic xenophobia and fear-mongering (John45673), simple labels (CJAZ), religious dogma (most faceless ones, plus the creationism newbie) and so forth.
You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
Triggerman saidWho got nasty? When did I say anything nasty about you? I get called unhinged.
Ah, fuck, why bother. These forums are by liberals for liberals. No thought needed. Just agree with the majority and you can get along just fine. Dum dee dum...
Actually, we need more gay GOPers in these forums, because I know they are out there and I'd hope that this site represents a good cross-section.
I'm good friends with a few gay GOPers here in TX. They explain themselves very well, and are warriors trying to bring the party back to it's honorable days. If the GOP were more like it used to be, I'd consider voting that way in certain elections. But right now the constitution is safer with other parties that are not the GOP.
The few gay GOPers on these boards are doing a disservice by falling back on fear (John45673), simple labels (CJAZ), religious dogma (most faceless ones, plus the creationism newbie) and so forth.
You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
Wow!
Paraphrasing.. See man, we're in control on this here thread man. When we say jump we mean jump god fucking damnit! You're the ones out of control you crazy bastards. You're the one's in the corner. EVERYONE SAYS SO! Watch CNN they'll tell ya! You better post the way we want you to or you'll catch fucking holy hell from us. YOU HEAR ME YOU BITCH'S? HUH? Come on! Where are ya? "OUR" thoughts are absolute. If I say you're wrong by god damn it YOU ARE WRONG! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Triggerman saidWho got nasty? When did I say anything nasty about you? I get called unhinged.
Ah, fuck, why bother. These forums are by liberals for liberals. No thought needed. Just agree with the majority and you can get along just fine. Dum dee dum...
Actually, we need more gay GOPers in these forums, because I know they are out there and I'd hope that this site represents a good cross-section.
I'm good friends with a few gay GOPers here in TX. They explain themselves very well, and are warriors trying to bring the party back to it's honorable days. If the GOP were more like it used to be, I'd consider voting that way in certain elections. But right now the constitution is safer with other parties that are not the GOP.
The few gay GOPers on these boards are doing a disservice by falling back on fear (John45673), simple labels (CJAZ), religious dogma (most faceless ones, plus the creationism newbie) and so forth.
You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
Wow!
Paraphrasing.. See man, we're in control on this here thread man. When we say jump we mean jump god fucking damnit! You're the ones out of control you crazy bastards. You're the one's in the corner. EVERYONE SAYS SO! Watch CNN they'll tell ya! You better post the way we want you to or you'll catch fucking holy hell from us. YOU HEAR ME YOU BITCH'S? HUH? Come on! Where are ya? "OUR" thoughts are absolute. If I say you're wrong by god damn it YOU ARE WRONG! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Shit!
Well excuse us for being engaged.
Most Dems on these boards defend their positions with thoughtful answers that actually mean something. The GOPers here cannot seem to accomplish this.
I don't have the authority to take the stance you think you've paraphrased. I merely issued a challenge. Sorry you felt so threatened!
I am an atheist Gay American. Went to Catholic grammar schools, public high schools and University.
I was gay at 1yo, atheist at 10yo, gay atheist at 11. I tackled homophobia at an early age. I tackled religious persecution (Bad word but can not think of a lesser word), at a very young age, being "different" most of my life. Little scares me. Less intimidates me. Labels? I try and avoid them. Dogma, only from my liberal friends who can't believe I do not follow gay dogma. Dogma? No. I am a gay atheist fiscal conservative social liberal. We wish we had a dogma, but we don't.
"You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
I come on here to say that? I do have a cam. Have I invited anyone to cam with me?
Motives? I like an honest discussion with other gay men. Challenge people in the realm of ideas. Think, and make people think, and make me think harder about the positions I hold. Change mine when I am wrong and maybe make someone else think harder about the position they hold. The opposite of dogma.
Look at me? I am different? Maybe that is your perception. Look at me? I am a name on a response. Big, little, fat, skinny, what difference does that make and when did I ever ask someone to think about more than my words?
just think that most people here have never had an honest discussion with people who may think differently. Most gay people are liberal. It is not hard to be surrounded by people that think the same but I chose not to. Gay, straight, I do not care. Agree with me or not, I do not care. I like the challenge, the mental challenge, of going up against the best minds that disagree with me. UFC of the mind. I lose allot, but I learn allot.
You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
Do you realize that it is only a few of you constantly arguing with a few of them? If you are curious what a "GOP warrior" believes, watch the o'reilly factor . It doesn't make it any easier to stomach just because they are using your tactics. Perhaps the problem is amongst the few of you who seem to have a really hard time understanding the english that is laid out for you to read. I don't really understand how there is this much confusion amongst people who are so vocal about why they vote the way they do. Regardless of whoever is right, no one is being mysterious about their votes here, lol. They have said repeatedly why they are Republican. You have said repeatedly why you are Democrat. This isn't that fucking complicated. I'm not sure what else you need from each other.
""You get hell from us because no one understands your motives, and y'all are doing nothing to change that. You just come on here as if to say "look at me...I'm different...can we cam now?".
lol. Well, I can't change what I can't change. I explained my motives. No, I do not want to cam with you and I never asked, and I prefer you not look at my profile.
I do not even know what a "GOP" warrior is. I don't watch Hannity or O'Reilly, I tend to watch CourtTV and MSNBC, except for Olbermann. Chris Mathews, yes. Maddow, sort of. But my TV in my office is on MSNBC and Court TV, or InSession or whatever they call it now.
I dont listen to Rush, unless I am driving across the Midwest when he is on every station. And then just for kicks.
BodyWork4 saidGeeze, I'll be glad when this shit is over... I'm fed up with the ineptitude of both candidates - they're both out of touch. When might we gain two candidates that actually are in tune and prepared to lead and who can garner votes by ability and not mud-slinging.
Amen brother, I think everyone needs this Follwed by
BodyWork4 saidGeeze, I'll be glad when this shit is over... I'm fed up with the ineptitude of both candidates - they're both out of touch. When might we gain two candidates that actually are in tune and prepared to lead and who can garner votes by ability and not mud-slinging.
Amen brother, I think everyone needs this Follwed by
