UK's top cardinal accused of 'inappropriate acts' by priests

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    Feb 24, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
    It looks like the RC Church's bigot-in-chief in Britain is about to have his closet blown wide open.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
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    Feb 24, 2013 6:52 AM GMT
    I heard on BBC news last night that the Vatican is upset about news that is coming out now they think is trying to influence the choice of a new pope. The commentator was not very specific but when I saw this article, I thought possibly this might fit with that complaint.

    But then I read the article and discovered that the complaints against the cardinal in Scotland were made a week before the resignation of the present pope.
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    Feb 25, 2013 2:01 PM GMT
    Just a reminder:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2221987

    When Stonewall Scotland awarded him Bigot of the Year in 2012, people clutched their pearls and howled... at Stonewall.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20175530

    BBCThe Catholic Church in Scotland has called for the withdrawal of public funding for the group.

    First Minister Alex Salmond said Stonewall was wrong to describe Cardinal O'Brien as a bigot.

    But the Scottish government has ruled out cutting funding for the charity.

    Mr Salmond said: "Stonewall were clearly wrong to describe Scotland's cardinal in these terms, and in any case should reflect on whether pejorative titles like this do anything to enhance their cause...

    "Personal insults are not conducive to a proper and dignified debate on the important issue of equality in Scotland."

    Sponsors of the awards, Barclays and Coutts, have said they will axe their funding if the Bigot of the Year category is not dropped next year.

    Christian Concern's Andrea Minichiello Williams said she regarded Cardinal Keith O'Brien as "a courageous Christian leader who has stood for the truth".

    She said: "Neither he nor any faithful Christian is homophobic. Stonewall's attack on him reveals their contempt and brazen attitude to those who will not capitulate to their agenda."


    Is it OK for him to win Hypocrite of the Year in 2013?

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    Feb 25, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
    Hahahaha can't wait for the day the Catholic Church crumples before my eyes.

    Keep exposing these ignorant, self-loathing, teaching-people-to-hate-other-people, right wing, religious nutjobs!
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    Feb 25, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
    Looks like the entire church might have its closet blown wide open.

    Talks of a full blown scandal and male prostitutes which could have caused Benedict to step down.

    I'm curious if this comes out to be true would it help LGBT issues across the globe or hurt them.
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    Feb 25, 2013 2:04 PM GMT
    Guardian (UK)It is understood that the first allegation against the cardinal dates back to 1980. The complainant, who is now married, was then a 20-year-old seminarian at St Andrew's College, Drygrange, where O'Brien was his "spiritual director". The Observer understands that the statement claims O'Brien made an inappropriate approach after night prayers.

    The seminarian says he was too frightened to report the incident, but says his personality changed afterwards, and his teachers regularly noted that he seemed depressed. He was ordained, but he told the nuncio in his statement that he resigned when O'Brien was promoted to bishop. "I knew then he would always have power over me. It was assumed I left the priesthood to get married. I did not. I left to preserve my integrity."

    In a second statement, "Priest A" describes being happily settled in a parish when he claims he was visited by O'Brien and inappropriate contact between the two took place.

    In a third statement, "Priest B" claims that he was starting his ministry in the 1980s when he was invited to spend a week "getting to know" O'Brien at the archbishop's residence. His statement alleges that he found himself dealing with what he describes as unwanted behaviour by the cardinal after a late-night drinking session.

    "Priest C" was a young priest the cardinal was counselling over personal problems. Priest C's statement claims that O'Brien used night prayers as an excuse for inappropriate contact.

    The cardinal maintained contact with Priest C over a period of time, and the statement to the nuncio's office alleges that he engineered at least one other intimate situation. O'Brien is, says Priest C, very charismatic, and being sought out by the superior who was supposed to be guiding him was both troubling and flattering.

    Those involved believe the cardinal abused his position. "You have to understand," explains the ex-priest, "the relationship between a bishop and a priest. At your ordination, you take a vow to be obedient to him.

    "He's more than your boss, more than the CEO of your company. He has immense power over you. He can move you, freeze you out, bring you into the fold … he controls every aspect of your life. You can't just kick him in the balls."
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    Feb 25, 2013 2:13 PM GMT
    Also noted that his premature resignation results in Britain now lacking voting representation in the election of the next Pope. Oh, well!

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100204119/cardinal-obrien-resigns-after-gay-allegations-and-wont-vote-for-next-pope-this-is-a-shocking-crisis-for-the-church/

    Telegraph (UK)Let's spell this out bluntly. The most senior Catholic cleric in Britain, Cardinal Keith O'Brien of St Andrews and Edinburgh, has been forced to resign ahead of schedule following allegations that he made homosexual advances to younger clergy in his diocese – and isn't now expected to attend the conclave to elect the next Pope. There will now be no Briton in the Sistine Chapel when voting takes place. O'Brien's early resignation is believed to have been at the personal insistence of Benedict XVI, in one of his last acts as Pope.

    The Cardinal denies the allegations, whose publication has been carefully timed – but his decision will remind the cardinals meeting in Rome next month that allegations against its clergy have now permeated the entire institution.

    The next Pope's first priority must be to restore confidence in the sexual probity of the Church. Who on earth is going to be able to do that?

    Watch out for real fireworks in Scotland, where tribal Catholicism is dying off. Cardinal O'Brien was a firebrand on the subject of gay sex and the unsuitability of homosexuals for clerical office; his counterpart in Glasgow, Archbishop Philip Tartaglia, is even more outspoken, recently suggesting that a Scottish MP's death was hastened by his homosexuality.
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    Feb 26, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    Homophobic British Cardinal Skipping Papal Election Due To Being Outed

    http://www.theawl.com/2013/02/cardinal-ou
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    Feb 26, 2013 8:58 PM GMT
    As a Catholic let me tell you something.What people see on the outside of the Church is not what it may appear.This Cardinal may be gay and spouted off against gay marriage but in reality he is a big liberal who was told by the Vatican to tow the line or else.I am glad he resigned but just an FYI that many of the so called "right wing" cardinals and the like are closet lefties!That is why I am hoping for a real hard line conservative!I loved Pope Benedict but obviously age limited what he can do.I have my few favorites to succeed him.icon_smile.gifRyan
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    Feb 26, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    running11 saidHahahaha can't wait for the day the Catholic Church crumples before my eyes.

    Keep exposing these ignorant, self-loathing, teaching-people-to-hate-other-people, right wing, religious nutjobs!


    I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. The Catholic Church has survived for two thousand years and won't be going down anytime soon. Sex scandals in the Church are nothing new. The faithful are able to make the distinction between the teachings and the human beings who are unable to live up to them - priests, nuns. bishops, popes and even themselves included.

    I was a faithful Catholic for the majority of my life. Never was I taught to hate anyone and it was rare when I ran across a right wing, religious nutjob. In fact, I've run across far more intolerant people in the gay community (most on this site) than I ever did in the Catholic Church.
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    Feb 27, 2013 8:08 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidAs a Catholic let me tell you something.What people see on the outside of the Church is not what it may appear.This Cardinal may be gay and spouted off against gay marriage but in reality he is a big liberal who was told by the Vatican to tow the line or else.I am glad he resigned but just an FYI that many of the so called "right wing" cardinals and the like are closet lefties!That is why I am hoping for a real hard line conservative!I loved Pope Benedict but obviously age limited what he can do.I have my few favorites to succeed him.icon_smile.gifRyan


    Surely the fact he was a liberal who prostituted his principles to get a promotion makes him even more of a hypocrite.
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    Feb 27, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
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    WickedRyan saidAs a Catholic let me tell you something.What people see on the outside of the Church is not what it may appear.This Cardinal may be gay and spouted off against gay marriage but in reality he is a big liberal who was told by the Vatican to tow the line or else.I am glad he resigned but just an FYI that many of the so called "right wing" cardinals and the like are closet lefties!That is why I am hoping for a real hard line conservative!I loved Pope Benedict but obviously age limited what he can do.I have my few favorites to succeed him.icon_smile.gifRyan


    Surely the fact he was a liberal who prostituted his principles to get a promotion makes him even more of a hypocrite.


    Time to bring back the Reformation, methinks.
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    Feb 27, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
    A good site to keep track of them, http://gayhomophobe.com/.

    You will notice they are republicans and religious officials. Term hypocrite applies?
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    Mar 03, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
    Cardinal Keith O’Brien admits inappropriate ‘sexual conduct’ following allegations

    "Also today, one of the priests accusing Cardinal O’Brien of inappropriate behaviour came forward to call for transparency within the Catholic church, which he said would “crush him” if it could, for speaking out. "


    "Last November, Cardinal O’Brien was named ‘Bigot of the Year’ by a gay rights charity due to his staunch opposition to marriage equality.

    In 2012, he stated that same-sex relationships were “harmful to the physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing” and compared equal marriage to slavery and child abuse."

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/03/03/cardinal-keith-obrien-admits-inappropriate-sexual-conduct-following-allegations/
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    Mar 03, 2013 9:17 PM GMT
    At least he's had the decency to admit his wrongdoing (albeit in the face of pretty overwhelming evidence). He ought to spend the rest of his days working as hard for gay rights as he did fighting against them.
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    Mar 03, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
    What...... he didn't molest children?!? icon_eek.gif