'Gender And Sexual Diversities,' Or GSD, Should Replace 'LGBT,' Say London Therapists

  • metta

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    Feb 25, 2013 10:58 PM GMT
    'Gender And Sexual Diversities,' Or GSD, Should Replace 'LGBT,' Say London Therapists


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/25/gender-and-sexual-diversities-gsd-lgbt-label-_n_2758908.html
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    The voting on their poll is quite split. I think we tend to change things to try and please everyone and then just confuse the hell out of everyone. I'm for leaving it be and vocalizing that inclusion is a part of it.
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    I think GSD is much better than the GLBTQPITSSPASJDFKASM we have accumulated now.
  • spunkywasabi

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    Feb 26, 2013 12:20 AM GMT
    Yeah I have mixed feelings. It might beat alphabet city, but I also feel it is somewhat vague and conflates gender and sexual orientation issues. LGBT suggests individual identities, only one in which gender is a primary focus. The others may have different expressions of gender, but it is primarily based on sexual behavior. GSD over emphasizes the gender aspect and is over representing people who may not fit that label. I am gay, not trans. I have no interest is trying to alter my perceived gender. So GSD seems silly to me.
  • calibro

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    Feb 26, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
    how queer
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    I think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    Then that may allow diversity for us Bona Fide Homosexuals, and that would not be such a bad thing.
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    Feb 26, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    Many variants exist including variations that merely change the order of the letters; LGBT or GLBT are the most common terms and the ones most frequently seen in current usage.Although identical in meaning, "LGBT" may have a more feminist connotation than "GLBT" as it places the "L" (for "lesbian") first. When not inclusive of transgender people it is sometimes shortened to LGB. LGBT may also include additional "Q"s for "queer" or "questioning" (sometimes abbreviated with a question mark and sometimes used to mean anybody not literally L, G, B or T) which can then look like e.g., "LGBTQ" or "LGBTQQ"".

    Other variants may add a "U" for "unsure"; a "C" for "curious"; an "I" for "intersex"; another "T" for "transsexual" or "transvestite"; another "T", "TS", or "2" for "Two‐Spirit" persons; an "A" or "SA" for "straight allies"; or an "A" for "asexual". Some may also add a "P" for "pansexual" or "polyamorous", an "H" for "HIV-affected", and/or an "O" for "other".

    The order of the letters has not been standardized; in addition to the variations between the positions of the initial "L" or "G", the mentioned, less‐common letters, if used, may appear in almost any order. Variant terms do not typically represent political differences within the community, but arise simply from the preferences of individuals and groups. The terms pansexual, omnisexual, fluid and queer-identified are regarded as falling under the umbrella term "bisexual". Likewise, the terms transsexual and intersex are regarded by some people as falling under the umbrella term "transgender" though many transsexual and intersex people object to this (both for different reasons).

    "SGL" (i.e. "same gender loving") is sometimes favored among black Americans as a way of distinguishing themselves from what they regard as white-dominated LGBT communities. "MSM" (er.g. "men who have sex with men") is clinically used to describe men who have sex with other men without referring to their sexual orientation.

    A phrase introduced in the 2000s, "minority sexual and gender identities" ("MSGI"), as well as the similar "gender and sexual minorities" ("GSM"), used to include all letters and acronyms, has yet to find its way into common usage. The magazine Anything That Moves coined the acronym FABGLITTER (from Fetish such as the BDSM lifestyle community, Allies or poly-Amorous as in Polyamorous couples became more used, Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, Intersexed, Transgender, Transsexual Engendering Revolution or inter-Racial attraction), although this term has not made its way into common usage. Another acronym that has begun to spread is QUILTBAG, from Queer/Questioning, Undecided, Intersex, Lesbian, Trans, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay. Again, this is not a common term. Similarly, in some areas people are starting to simply use 'LGBTQetc' or 'LGBTQ+' to include everyone. The initial A for Allies comes from straight (heterosexual) allies who are in support of the GLBT community, and sometimes they form an alliance in sociopolitical affairs to further represent the umbrella term GLBTA (Gay Lesbian Bi Trans Alternative or Allies). The A may also be used to represent asexual people. LGBTQIA has some use among transgender American college students and their contemporaries.

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    This is from the LGBT wikipedia page found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

    It has seriously become too much and we need to come up with an all encompassing term if we are going to continue to lump ourselves together into one group instead of alphabet soup.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:01 AM GMT
    What about "people"? I find this word very suitable.

    Also by not differentiating anyone not heterosexually oriented from heterosexuals is a sign that society fully accepts them.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:09 AM GMT
    I'm concerned with the idea of adding polyamorous, especially at a time when we are fighting for marriage equality. Being in a polyamorous relationship is a choice. I don't think we should add distinctions that are choices. I think that would really confuse people and it would be used against us.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:09 AM GMT
    klobasnik saidWhat about "people"? I find this word very suitable.

    Also by not differentiating anyone not heterosexually oriented from heterosexuals is a sign that society fully accepts them.


    +1
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:09 AM GMT
    klobasnik saidWhat about "people"? I find this word very suitable.

    Also by not differentiating anyone not heterosexually oriented from heterosexuals is a sign that society fully accepts them.


    Because they are different. That's really the same thing as saying "I'm color-blind". It's not only inauthentic; it's dismissive of peoples cultures and political struggles.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:15 AM GMT
    I can easily imagine GSD being slanderized (is that a new word?) into -

    Gender and Sexual Deviants

    I'd be wary of changing a term that's already in widespread use, for one that may lend itself to misappropriation by our opponents.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidI can easily imagine GSD being slanderized (is that a new word?) into -

    Gender and Sexual Deviants

    I'd be wary of changing a term that's already in widespread use, for one that may lend itself to misappropriation by our opponents.


    GSM: Gender & Sexual Minorities was also mentioned.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:44 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    ART_DECO saidI can easily imagine GSD being slanderized (is that a new word?) into -

    Gender and Sexual Deviants

    I'd be wary of changing a term that's already in widespread use, for one that may lend itself to misappropriation by our opponents.

    GSM: Gender & Sexual Minorities was also mentioned.

    Gender And Sexual Misfits
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:45 AM GMT
    The problem with labels: the more people you try to apply them to, the less they stick....
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:47 AM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger saidI think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.


    This. I am not really sure how gender identity issues got lumped together with sexual identity issues.
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    Feb 26, 2013 1:51 AM GMT
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    PolaroidSwinger saidI think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.


    This. I am not really sure how gender identity issues got lumped together with sexual identity issues.

    It was partly a political decision, to bring more people "inside the tent" to increase the political clout.
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:09 AM GMT
    bi_in_chicago said
    PolaroidSwinger saidI think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.


    This. I am not really sure how gender identity issues got lumped together with sexual identity issues.


    Preach.

    Sexual orientation and gender dysmorphia are not similar experiences.
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    Then how will I know if we are speaking of German Shepherd Dogs - GSD or people lol icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    Why do we all have to be shoved under the one banner? We are not all one community, we are many. like down here gays and dukes, are mostly segregated at the lesbians will. like they wanted access to our big rave parties, and the guys said OK, but they want to keep their lesbian parties male free.

    I am happy being a male, and when I die and come back it will be as a man, as I have never ever wanted to be a female.

    Being a Bona Fide Homosexual, I've never been with a women, married or breed with one, thus I do not relate to the confusion of bisexuals, or their flip flopping; albeit I have loved a few.

    Oh and since at least in my country, it's us guys who have done most of the work for advancement and our sisters have also reap those rewards, I hate the feminists forcing upon us LGPT when it is and should be GLBT. But for me I'm happy with just BFH, and thats not stoping others from having their own identity or banner.

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    Feb 26, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
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    bi_in_chicago said
    PolaroidSwinger saidI think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.


    This. I am not really sure how gender identity issues got lumped together with sexual identity issues.

    It was partly a political decision, to bring more people "inside the tent" to increase the political clout.


    True, but we all have diffrent agendas too.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 26, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    'Gender And Sexual Diversities' sounds way too clinical.

    Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender sound more personable.

    We should keep it personable.
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:40 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said'Gender And Sexual Diversities' sounds way too clinical.

    Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender sound more personable.

    We should keep it personable.


    I like the clinical sound, and I think that the new name would work really well in a clinical setting.

    Remember, technically a group we have under our ranks is the MSM, which would suck if we had to start saying MSMLGBTQQ to be representative.

    Then again, I think both sucks from a public perspective. As mentioned in this thread, a Transgendered person goes through a radically different life than a LGB person. Not that they both arent important, they are just differently represented.

    Gender and Sexual Diversities is to gay people as Race issues is to blacks/asians/etc.

    Its just a different way to categorize it.
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    Feb 26, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger saidI think it's a bad idea. The all inclusiveness seems nice on the surface; but there are only so many issues that one community/political presence can effectively address at a time.
    I'm not even sure that including transgendered people under the "LGBT" umbrealla is ultimately beneficial to either party; it just blurs lines and further confuses the intended audience.


    I don't see it that way about transgender not fitting with the LGB group. The one thing that binds us together is that we all disprove the hetero-normative way of thinking in our societies and cultures.