importance of "gay owned operated"

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    Feb 26, 2013 4:37 AM GMT
    What do you think of straight people who run a establishment advertise and take the gay dollars but then treat the clientele like shit? or does the Vegas gamming commision have an issue or bias with the gay community?

    Such cases I found while in Vegas:

    The Eagle Las Vegas
    Eagle is a leather/levi/bear type bar in many big cities across the country. The Las Vegas Eagle is owned by a straight women. What do straight business women know about 1) the gay community 2) leather and gay bears? She has had issues wilth conservative gaming commision and running underwear parties in her bar to the point where she has lost almost all her clientele

    Share Nightclub
    Now has "stripper circus" on Friday nights, same advertisement and prob promoter as the one at Here lounge in WeHo. How does this place get away with strippers while the Eagle cant do underwear night according to the gamming commision? do they know somebody?

    Krave@RIO
    This one was prob the worst, although this is temporary, Crown club at the RIO is being used for Krave, the RIO treats the gay community like they are straight patrons. Straight guys walking around in black suits wearing a mini microphone in one ear like we are partying at the white house or something. Its a large space but the straight men in black keep everyone corralled in the center, no one is "allowed" to roam to free space im assuming so that the men in black can keep tabs on the fags whereabouts. You purchase your beverage in the club and when you go out to the casino to USE the BATHROOM, you are not allowed to bring your drink you just bought in the club back into the club. The straight people at the RIO will never ever get my business as I told the hotel manager, that experience sucked after only 20 min. Hopefully when Krave Massive opens in March, Fremont Street will be more down to earth and I believe the gay community will be welcomed there.

    Please use the gay owned and operated establishments, I hope the Eagle can find a new home downtown Vegas, the straight women wont leave the mall she has occupied for 15 yrs even though she lost the business basically, the leather bar Eagle should be owned by gay men


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    Feb 26, 2013 5:00 AM GMT
    i did notice that Share Nightclub and Krave@RIO patrons were the 18+ crowd, these young people did not seem to care how they were treated as long as they could drink and dance, I was a bit underwhelmed
  • tyler_helm

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    Feb 26, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    While I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars
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    Feb 26, 2013 5:32 AM GMT
    tyler_helm saidWhile I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars



    Well, im not talking about small town USA as in Central CA or Lima Ohio, where many gay business has to compete for patrons, this is Las Vegas, gay ownership has always mattered unless you are for gentrification of straight and gay neighborhoods, clubs and such. You must be the "new gay" where labels are a thing of the past. The Eagle in particular is prob not the best example to gentrify straight men into the labled leather bar, I would still think that this type of establishment is exclusive to our gay community
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 26, 2013 5:54 AM GMT
    tyler_helm saidWhile I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars
    what he said. i wish we could get away from the gay only places and straight only places. i have witness bad services and had bad experiences in both places. i have also experienced great experiences in both establishments. i am always baffled by people who get upset when straight people come to gay establishments and gay people that comes do straight establishments. i say get over it people
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:09 AM GMT
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    tyler_helm saidWhile I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars
    what he said. i wish we could get away from the gay only places and straight only places. i have witness bad services and had bad experiences in both places. i have also experienced great experiences in both establishments. i am always babbled by people who get upset when straight people come to gay establishments and gay people that comes do straight establishments. i say get over it people


    This is what the young people today, the new Gen, dont understand about us pioneers and what the hell we fought for gay rights, im sure this new Gen thinks that Stonewall would not have happened if we as a community included straight men and women in our bars. The "gay owned operated" was advertised to the gay community, a safe space to meet and be around others like us, it really matters in small town USA. Just appreciate the fact that this is part of our history and the new Gen wouldnt be able to be themselves around straight people in our own gay establishments. The young gays may think being themselves in a straight club wont get them in trouble, think again, we as a community are not there yet.
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:17 AM GMT
    workplace too, whereas, gay employee resource group (known as a ERG) is run by straight people, how is this fucking possible?, i would think that a gay ERG would be operated by gay people. That would be like the black ERG run by a white women, or the womens ERG run by a man? WTF

    Is there a movement i missed to rid ourselves of labels?
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 26, 2013 6:20 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidworkplace too, whereas, gay employee resource group (known as a ERG) is run by straight people, how is this fucking possible?, i would think that a gay ERG would be operated by gay people. That would be like the black ERG run by a white women, or the womens ERG run by a man? WTF

    Is there a movement i missed to rid ourselves of labels?
    well they do have soul food restaurants that are own by white folks.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 26, 2013 6:21 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidworkplace too, whereas, gay employee resource group (known as a ERG) is run by straight people, how is this fucking possible?, i would think that a gay ERG would be operated by gay people. That would be like the black ERG run by a white women, or the womens ERG run by a man? WTF

    Is there a movement i missed to rid ourselves of labels?
    yes, it has been going on for quite some time now
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 26, 2013 6:23 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    tuffguyndc said
    tyler_helm saidWhile I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars
    what he said. i wish we could get away from the gay only places and straight only places. i have witness bad services and had bad experiences in both places. i have also experienced great experiences in both establishments. i am always babbled by people who get upset when straight people come to gay establishments and gay people that comes do straight establishments. i say get over it people


    This is what the young people today, the new Gen, dont understand about us pioneers and what the hell we fought for gay rights, im sure this new Gen thinks that Stonewall would not have happened if we as a community included straight men and women in our bars. The "gay owned operated" was advertised to the gay community, a safe space to meet and be around others like us, it really matters in small town USA. Just appreciate the fact that this is part of our history and the new Gen wouldnt be able to be themselves around straight people in our own gay establishments. The young gays may think being themselves in a straight club wont get them in trouble, think again, we as a community are not there yet.
    actually you should watch birth and death of disco. that particular music contributed to the stonewall event. guess what there straight and gay people in those clubs back in the day
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:28 AM GMT

    pink pages, these are important still

    http://www.pinkweb.com/pinkpages.navagational.html
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:31 AM GMT
    I dunno.

    Conversely, I've found that gay owners of small businesses with largely straight clientele are less professional and more likely to take advantage of you (or your presumed good nature) when they know you're gay. Like landscapers expecting you to be supportive of skipped service calls because they're planning their lesbian weddings, lady dog groomers being no shows to appointments having left for gay cruises with no warning and assuming you'll understand, shop owners deploying attitude they'd never hurl at straights while reneging on warranties, and so forth. When even coupled lesbians go gay-flakey/irresponsible you know there's an issue.

    Honestly, I've never had these problems with their straight counterparts. With the gays, it sometimes feels like they're "the help that gets a little too familiar." What's up with that?

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    Feb 26, 2013 6:35 AM GMT
    tuffguyndc said
    scruffLA said
    tuffguyndc said
    tyler_helm saidWhile I lack the understanding and context for the scene to which you are referring. But as far as gay owned business in the Central Valley of California, when you go to them the act like they own your business and that you have to patron their business. Then when they close down in less than a year they are genuinely surprised and blame the "conservative" people for the failure. I laugh when I hear them speaking about their loses.

    I shop at places where I feel comfortable and feel like I am important to the owners. I go to events and clubs that make me feel comfortable. A business person needs to act like a business person. Treat their patrons well and offer the best product/services they can.

    It doesn't matter about gay or straight ownership. What matters is they are free to run their businesses the way they want(with in bounds). If straight women can run a successful gay leather bar then GREAT, probably need alot of advice from the Gay community. If Gay men wanted to run a straight bar then awesome do it. They should be free to do so.

    You have the right to shop and go to any club you want. Vote for your morals with your dollars
    what he said. i wish we could get away from the gay only places and straight only places. i have witness bad services and had bad experiences in both places. i have also experienced great experiences in both establishments. i am always babbled by people who get upset when straight people come to gay establishments and gay people that comes do straight establishments. i say get over it people


    This is what the young people today, the new Gen, dont understand about us pioneers and what the hell we fought for gay rights, im sure this new Gen thinks that Stonewall would not have happened if we as a community included straight men and women in our bars. The "gay owned operated" was advertised to the gay community, a safe space to meet and be around others like us, it really matters in small town USA. Just appreciate the fact that this is part of our history and the new Gen wouldnt be able to be themselves around straight people in our own gay establishments. The young gays may think being themselves in a straight club wont get them in trouble, think again, we as a community are not there yet.
    actually you should watch birth and death of disco. that particular music contributed to the stonewall event. guess what there straight and gay people in those clubs back in the day



    Do we want that again? history repeating itself? it was the conservative straight people who didnt like the co-mingling, pre Aids




  • tyler_helm

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    Feb 26, 2013 6:41 AM GMT
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    Well, im not talking about small town USA as in Central CA or Lima Ohio, where many gay business has to compete for patrons, this is Las Vegas, gay ownership has always mattered unless you are for gentrification of straight and gay neighborhoods, clubs and such. You must be the "new gay" where labels are a thing of the past. The Eagle in particular is prob not the best example to gentrify straight men into the labled leather bar, I would still think that this type of establishment is exclusive to our gay community



    I agree with you as far as a gentfrification. I grew up in a very small heterogeneous ethnic/religious background. I had friends, not mexican friends, not boy friends or girl friends. If I was not allowed to go to Mike Smith's house it was because he had a filthy mouth and my parents didn't agree with the way his parents raised him. (Mind you the Smith's were the only other white family in my neighborhood). Labels are damaging to us all. Am I naive enough to believe I change change the world. No but I can make my corner of it better.
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    Feb 26, 2013 6:53 AM GMT
    Yeah maybe we should have our separate drinking fountains too
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    Feb 26, 2013 7:39 AM GMT
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    Well, im not talking about small town USA as in Central CA or Lima Ohio, where many gay business has to compete for patrons, this is Las Vegas, gay ownership has always mattered unless you are for gentrification of straight and gay neighborhoods, clubs and such. You must be the "new gay" where labels are a thing of the past. The Eagle in particular is prob not the best example to gentrify straight men into the labled leather bar, I would still think that this type of establishment is exclusive to our gay community



    I agree with you as far as a gentfrification. I grew up in a very small heterogeneous ethnic/religious background. I had friends, not mexican friends, not boy friends or girl friends. If I was not allowed to go to Mike Smith's house it was because he had a filthy mouth and my parents didn't agree with the way his parents raised him. (Mind you the Smith's were the only other white family in my neighborhood). Labels are damaging to us all. Am I naive enough to believe I change change the world. No but I can make my corner of it better.


    Then the importance of gay owned and operated is no longer going to be significant? I find that interesting, tell that to the gay people who live in the south, they will no longer feel safe and no where to go, isnt this what happened to Matthew Shepard? straight guys in a gay bar pretending to be gay? We as a community are not ready to drop our safety net label, yet
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    Feb 26, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
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    Well, im not talking about small town USA as in Central CA or Lima Ohio, where many gay business has to compete for patrons, this is Las Vegas, gay ownership has always mattered unless you are for gentrification of straight and gay neighborhoods, clubs and such. You must be the "new gay" where labels are a thing of the past. The Eagle in particular is prob not the best example to gentrify straight men into the labled leather bar, I would still think that this type of establishment is exclusive to our gay community



    I agree with you as far as a gentfrification. I grew up in a very small heterogeneous ethnic/religious background. I had friends, not mexican friends, not boy friends or girl friends. If I was not allowed to go to Mike Smith's house it was because he had a filthy mouth and my parents didn't agree with the way his parents raised him. (Mind you the Smith's were the only other white family in my neighborhood). Labels are damaging to us all. Am I naive enough to believe I change change the world. No but I can make my corner of it better.


    Then the importance of gay owned and operated is no longer going to be significant? I find that interesting, tell that to the gay people who live in the south, they will no longer feel safe and no where to go, isnt this what happened to Matthew Shepard? straight guys in a gay bar pretending to be gay? We as a community are not ready to drop our safety net label, yet


    Where are you getting at with your thread? Does owning a gay business mean a safe haven for gay people? I've lived in the South almost all of my life and not once have I ever felt a compromise in my safety at ANY establishment that I've entered. When I enter places of business, I don't see them as either gay or straight establishments but rather as places that I will enjoy being at. And if safety is an issue, I use common sense and judgment to know that there are places I need to avoid.