Androgel

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    Feb 26, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
    For those RJ buds who have low testosterone and taken Androgel to raise your levels to normal?What are the side effects if any?I am going to get my levels checked soon because my fatigue is off the chart.But I def dont want acne if that is a side effect of Androgel?Comments?
  • newtosyr

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    Feb 26, 2013 7:45 PM GMT
    Haven't experienced any side effects that I have noticed. Not helping much with fatigue...
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    Feb 26, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    Acne is often caused by low estrogen (all testosterone converts to estrogen and DHT).

    Androgel is very pricey, it's not very effective, and is expensive. Ask your doctor to give you 10% test base in EMU compounded. It's only about $40 a month, 10 times stronger, and you'll actually feel better.

    Keeping your levels at 1000 or higher has shown for years to have much better outcomes (studies of HIV patients).

    With exogenous hormone, you may get a bit of testicular atrophy (to be expected, and not permanent), and a bit of bloating if the test dose is high enough to bring up your estrogen. Low dose Arimdex is usually used in cases where there's some bloating and hypognodal. The Armidex actually also brings up your free testosterone and removes enough estrogen (about 50%...not all of it) to kick up your endogenous testosterone, too, but, has the biggest effect of eliminating hypertension from bloat which can lead to cardio myiopathy later, but, does affect your lipids a bit, as do all androgens, as well (steroids are those hormones like estrogen, cortisone, and testosterone that are soluble in lipids).

    The good effects will far outweigh the bad effects.

    Your doctor shouldn't take issue with having at 600 or higher. If the doctor does, get rid of them. They don't know what they're doing.

    Fatigue is lots of things, but, test usually isn't one of them. Are you getting enough to eat, and sleeping?

    For a better understanding of this, research some good bodybuilding forums like t-nation.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 26, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAcne is often caused by low estrogen (all testosterone converts to estrogen and DHT).

    Androgel is very pricey, it's not very effective, and is expensive. Ask your doctor to give you 10% test base in EMU compounded. It's only about $40 a month, 10 times stronger, and you'll actually feel better.

    Keeping your levels at 1000 or higher has shown for years to have much better outcomes (studies of HIV patients).

    With exogenous hormone, you may get a bit of testicular atrophy (to be expected, and not permanent), and a bit of bloating if the test dose is high enough to bring up your estrogen. Low dose Arimdex is usually used in cases where there's some bloating and hypognodal. The Armidex actually also brings up your free testosterone and removes enough estrogen (about 50%...not all of it) to kick up your endogenous testosterone, too, but, has the biggest effect of eliminating hypertension from bloat which can lead to cardio myiopathy later, but, does affect your lipids a bit, as do all androgens, as well (steroids are those hormones like estrogen, cortisone, and testosterone that are soluble in lipids).

    The good effects will far outweigh the bad effects.

    Your doctor shouldn't take issue with having at 600 or higher. If the doctor does, get rid of them. They don't know what they're doing.

    Fatigue is lots of things, but, test usually isn't one of them. Are you getting enough to eat, and sleeping?

    For a better understanding of this, research some good bodybuilding forums like t-nation.


    I'm on Axiron but because it is doing nothing, I'm shifting to Androgel. You say this won't work either and I should try "10% test base in EMU compounded." What is that? Is this a pharmacist compounded solution or something he orders? If I talk to my pharmacist will he know what I'm talking about?

    And Arimedex. My doctor said there was a potential problem that it could actually promote breast tissue growth in men. The guys I've talked to said they've never heard of that and they hadn't had any side effect like that. Have you?

    To the OP's original question, any test booster can cause and abnormal level of estrogen in your system and cause tenderness and some heat sensitivity in and around your nipples. Also potential male-breast enlargement. Tricky when you start balancing these hormones. I wonder if I checked around if there's a doctor more experienced in this stuff than my primary. He's young and receptive to working with me on this but doesn't seem to have much experience.

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    Feb 26, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
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    chuckystud saidAcne is often caused by low estrogen (all testosterone converts to estrogen and DHT).

    Androgel is very pricey, it's not very effective, and is expensive. Ask your doctor to give you 10% test base in EMU compounded. It's only about $40 a month, 10 times stronger, and you'll actually feel better.

    Keeping your levels at 1000 or higher has shown for years to have much better outcomes (studies of HIV patients).

    With exogenous hormone, you may get a bit of testicular atrophy (to be expected, and not permanent), and a bit of bloating if the test dose is high enough to bring up your estrogen. Low dose Arimdex is usually used in cases where there's some bloating and hypognodal. The Armidex actually also brings up your free testosterone and removes enough estrogen (about 50%...not all of it) to kick up your endogenous testosterone, too, but, has the biggest effect of eliminating hypertension from bloat which can lead to cardio myiopathy later, but, does affect your lipids a bit, as do all androgens, as well (steroids are those hormones like estrogen, cortisone, and testosterone that are soluble in lipids).

    The good effects will far outweigh the bad effects.

    Your doctor shouldn't take issue with having at 600 or higher. If the doctor does, get rid of them. They don't know what they're doing.

    Fatigue is lots of things, but, test usually isn't one of them. Are you getting enough to eat, and sleeping?

    For a better understanding of this, research some good bodybuilding forums like t-nation.


    I'm on Axiron but because it is doing nothing, I'm shifting to Androgel. You say this won't work either and I should try "10% test base in EMU compounded." What is that? Is this a pharmacist compounded solution or something he orders? If I talk to my pharmacist will he know what I'm talking about?

    And Arimedex. My doctor said there was a potential problem that it could actually promote breast tissue growth in men. The guys I've talked to said they've never heard of that and they hadn't had any side effect like that. Have you?

    To the OP's original question, any test booster can cause and abnormal level of estrogen in your system and cause tenderness and some heat sensitivity in and around your nipples. Also potential male-breast enlargement. Tricky when you start balancing these hormones. I wonder if I checked around if there's a doctor more experienced in this stuff than my primary. He's young and receptive to working with me on this but doesn't seem to have much experience.



    Anit-E's are used to PREVENT gyno. Your doctor is clueless. Fire him.

    Estrogen is what causes the gyno, resultant of the testosterone aromatizing to estrogen (and DHT). In some cases, prolactin is an issue, but, likely not in this context. Only about 1/3 of the male population has the receptor for gyno, but, if you take exegeneous testosterone, at anything higher than HRT levels, anti-Es are a good measure to PREVENT gyno and hypertension, and help keep fat off. You NEED estrogen, but, not tons of it.

    You can google about anti-Es and read tons about all this online.

    And, yes, any decent pharmacist, or doctor, will know EXACTLY what 10% test in EMU base, compounded is. I was on it for years, by prescription, of course.
  • Beeftastic

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    Feb 26, 2013 11:34 PM GMT
    I was on Androgel for about three years, I think it literally saved my life. I had so many health problems before testosterone supp.

    I've moved on to weekly injections, because it was far cheaper than Androgel even with my insurance (almost $1000 a year for Androgel!).

    If you can get your doctor to prescribe a compounded test cream, that will be far cheaper and probably work better!

    johnh
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    Feb 26, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    Testosterone is good medicine, but, you have to understand the systems around it / that it affects. Many doctors are clueless, or scared, things in no small part to butt loads of misinformation, and media that can't do research for more than five minutes.
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    Feb 26, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    shots are cheaper than the gel. they can teach you how to do your own shots
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    Feb 26, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
    MidwestLaxBro saidshots are cheaper than the gel. they can teach you how to do your own shots


    Compounded gel can run as low as $35.00 a month. Cyp injectable varies from around 80 to 130, retail. Injects are more effective, no doubt, but, maybe not cheaper..

    My doctor PREFERS I do shots, as they're more effective, and the delivery system is more stable (quantities are consistent).
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    Feb 26, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
    Dont you get small little raisin balls?
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    Feb 26, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    I'd suggest reading the official list of side effects.

    If you're having fatigue problems, considering getting your thyroid levels checked, if you haven't already. It's not unusual to have both a thyroid and testosterone problem. Make sure that they check ALL of your thyroid levels, not just one or two. Also, make sure you are getting enough iodine in your diet. The typical American diet does not. You may be getting enough in your vitamins and supplements, so check the label. If you aren't getting enough, I can tell you which supplement I'm taking.
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    Feb 27, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidI'd suggest reading the official list of side effects.

    If you're having fatigue problems, considering getting your thyroid levels checked, if you haven't already. It's not unusual to have both a thyroid and testosterone problem. Make sure that they check ALL of your thyroid levels, not just one or two. Also, make sure you are getting enough iodine in your diet. The typical American diet does not. You may be getting enough in your vitamins and supplements, so check the label. If you aren't getting enough, I can tell you which supplement I'm taking.


    Thyroid should be part of the work up. This is solid advice.

    Lots of times, folks just don't eat enough, and then wander why they feel crappy.
  • alliedguy

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    Feb 27, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
    I've been on Androgel for a little over a year. I use the 1.62 gel. I haven't noticed any side effects from it. Balls have not shrunk (they weren't really that big to begin with icon_smile.gif ) No acne, basically no problems. It has definately helped as my T levels are around 650 now and I am feeling better overall. Just picked up my refill a couple of days ago. A 4 week supply costs about $1800. Thankful I have good insurance and only spend $75 out of pocket! Good luck with it!
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    Feb 27, 2013 12:37 AM GMT
    alliedguy saidI've been on Androgel for a little over a year. I use the 1.62 gel. I haven't noticed any side effects from it. Balls have not shrunk (they weren't really that big to begin with icon_smile.gif ) No acne, basically no problems. It has definately helped as my T levels are around 650 now and I am feeling better overall. Just picked up my refill a couple of days ago. A 4 week supply costs about $1800. Thankful I have good insurance and only spend $75 out of pocket! Good luck with it!


    Androgel is over the top expensive. 10% test in EMU, is $40...for a 30 day supply. Talking about some pillaging.

    Retail test cyp is around 80 for 10 cc at Tom Thumb, and 130 at Walmart.

    Ever wonder why health care costs are exploding?
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    Feb 27, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidFor those RJ buds who have low testosterone and taken Androgel to raise your levels to normal?What are the side effects if any?I am going to get my levels checked soon because my fatigue is off the chart.But I def dont want acne if that is a side effect of Androgel?Comments?


    I didn't have side effects.
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    Feb 27, 2013 1:04 AM GMT
    I took androderm, the patch. worked great, but for guys pestered with high PSA levels, it is forbidden....it runs PSA numbers up (prostate specific antigen #). Testosterone feeds red blood cells, which feeds heart attacks and strokes....why do ya think men die younger than women? Simplified but true

    Please don't pay much attention to pompous, know-it-all bodybuilders who mis-use lots of stuff and think you should do the same. Its not wise.

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    Feb 27, 2013 1:07 AM GMT
    Androgel literally didn't work for me. It also was so inconvenient, and expensive. The smell, wearing it, getting sticky after it dries, every day, nobody can touch it.

    I give myself injections of testosterone cypionate once every 3 days. That means I get all of in my system, no guesses. It's much less expensive for me. The only issue is getting used to giving oneself injections. It's not bad. I started a month ago, am supposed to see something by now I was told. I don't see a different to speak of yet. I have a seriously low T problem, had many years, serious side effects, and figure it must take time for me.
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    Feb 27, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    My PSA is a 0.4.

    I think genetics plays a really big factor in lots of stuff.