Time to Emigrate to Mexico?

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    Feb 26, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
    On one hand this is a reflection that both parties will need to adjust their immigration platforms - particularly Republicans... on the other, this as much as this is reflection on how much better the Mexican economy is doing, it's also an indictment of how poorly the US economy has been and as a corollary, the failure of its policy makers.

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/02/25/time-to-emigrate-to-mexico/

    Fears that America will be overrun by a mass of poor workers from Latin America are looking more and more like yesterday’s news. Birthrates in Mexico are falling, and the economic situation continues to improve. At 5 percent, Mexico’s unemployment rate is nearly three points below ours. In 2012, its GDP grew by nearly 4 percent, and foreign investors, encouraged by the turnaround, poured $57 billion into stocks and bonds in the first nine months. Forthcoming reforms in the telecommunications and energy sectors may also help those industries to boom. The country’s economic forecasts are so promising that the Financial Times has dubbed it the “Aztec tiger.”

    This is good news. As the Mexican economy improves, immigration pressures will continue to abate. Who knows? If the trends continue, maybe we’ll even see southbound migrants outnumbering northbound ones.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 26, 2013 8:05 PM GMT
    Probably both Canada and Mexico will become the future North American economic powers. Both countries appear to be doing very well against the negative backdrop of this global recession that has clobbered both the US and much of Europe. Probably the planners of the proposed Continental 1 NAFTA superhighway route should plan it to run from Toronto to Mexico City via Hwy 401, I-75, I-69, and MX. Federal 85, rather than running it from Toronto and dead ending it in Miami via US 219 and who knows what other roadway they are eyeing up since 219 ends at the bottom of West Virginia.
  • conservativej...

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    Feb 26, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    Talent is fleeing America at a record pace. Some of it has already landed in Mexico. I do think however that Federal outlays will continue to attract poverty to U.S. shores. This will stop when America can no longer support the fiscal load through borrowing and tax increases.

    The fall of a Rome is never pretty.
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    Feb 26, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    Never mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.

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    Feb 26, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    I'm sure that's probably the minimum wage you support, though. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 26, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
    Stan24 saidNever mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.



    Yes imagine. Imagine however wanting to work for $5 a day because you want the experience for a better job but having the government tell you you can't even do that. Too bad you support that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 26, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    If Mexico's economy is growing at a good clip and a significant amount of talent is moving into Mexico, than there will be incresingly tremendous pressure to raise its wage scale. Mexican wages will start to increase.
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    Feb 26, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
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    Stan24 saidNever mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.



    Yes imagine. Imagine however wanting to work for $5 a day because you want the experience for a better job but having the government tell you you can't even do that. Too bad you support that.


    Yes, I'm sure people want to work hard and get almost nothing in return.icon_rolleyes.gif only in your fucked up mind.
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    Feb 26, 2013 10:09 PM GMT
    Stan24 said
    riddler78 said
    Stan24 saidNever mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.



    Yes imagine. Imagine however wanting to work for $5 a day because you want the experience for a better job but having the government tell you you can't even do that. Too bad you support that.


    Yes, I'm sure people want to work hard and get almost nothing in return.icon_rolleyes.gif only in your fucked up mind.


    What's really fucked up is how you'd rather people be unemployed than gain experience (or the fact I never said that people would want to work hard to get nothing in return - why do you suppose so many people in the US take unpaid internships?). You assume that everyone would still be hired at the forced higher wages. You don't recognize that the small businesses primarily who do hire at minimum wage are doing so in return for some level of productivity and not out of charity. When the cost exceeds the value they get, what do you suppose happens?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 26, 2013 10:10 PM GMT
    The one major problem that can really damage Mexico's economic progress is all the rampant violence from its drug wars along with the entrenched political corruption that has plagued all levels of Mexican government.
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    Feb 26, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Stan24 said
    riddler78 said
    Stan24 saidNever mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.



    Yes imagine. Imagine however wanting to work for $5 a day because you want the experience for a better job but having the government tell you you can't even do that. Too bad you support that.


    Yes, I'm sure people want to work hard and get almost nothing in return.icon_rolleyes.gif only in your fucked up mind.


    What's really fucked up is how you'd rather people be unemployed than gain experience (or the fact I never said that people would want to work hard to get nothing in return - why do you suppose so many people in the US take unpaid internships?). You assume that everyone would still be hired at the forced higher wages. You don't recognize that the small businesses primarily who do hire at minimum wage are doing so in return for some level of productivity and not out of charity. When the cost exceeds the value they get, what do you suppose happens?

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    Hmm maybe you wish that people didn't have to be paid at all, since you're now bringing up unpaid work. Are you trying to look crazier and crazier? Who said anything about internships? The worker who can barely make enough to eat is an intern, in your mind. These are people who have to work to support themselves making only 5 bucks a day. People making a wage that is barely above slavery (nothing).

    These fuckers are making millions and billions, they can afford to pay their workers more. This is apparently the conservative idea of economics. Maximize wealth for the 1%, bring everyone else down to poverty level.
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    Feb 26, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    Stan24 said
    riddler78 said
    Stan24 said
    riddler78 said
    Stan24 saidNever mind that employers in Mexico are only required to pay workers the equivalent of no more than 5 US Dollars A DAY. Imagine trying to live on only 5 dollars a day.



    Yes imagine. Imagine however wanting to work for $5 a day because you want the experience for a better job but having the government tell you you can't even do that. Too bad you support that.


    Yes, I'm sure people want to work hard and get almost nothing in return.icon_rolleyes.gif only in your fucked up mind.


    What's really fucked up is how you'd rather people be unemployed than gain experience (or the fact I never said that people would want to work hard to get nothing in return - why do you suppose so many people in the US take unpaid internships?). You assume that everyone would still be hired at the forced higher wages. You don't recognize that the small businesses primarily who do hire at minimum wage are doing so in return for some level of productivity and not out of charity. When the cost exceeds the value they get, what do you suppose happens?

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    Hmm maybe you wish that people didn't have to be paid at all, since you're now bringing up unpaid work. Are you trying to look crazier and crazier? Who said anything about internships? The worker who can barely make enough to eat is an intern, in your mind. These are people who have to work to support themselves making only 5 bucks a day. People making a wage that is barely above slavery (nothing).

    These fuckers are making millions and billions, they can afford to pay their workers more. This is apparently the conservative idea of economics. Maximize wealth for the 1%, bring everyone else down to poverty level.


    Hmmm where do you suppose I've ever said or inferred that people shouldn't be paid at all? Crazier and crazier? That'd be you and a few others thinking that you can divorce pay from productivity/value.

    I brought up internships because of *your* sarcastic claim that "people want to work hard and get almost nothing in return" - or did you forget that? I am simply pointing out that often it's about more than pay particularly for those who get paid minimum wage - which are generally people new to the workforce.

    These fuckers? Which fuckers? You're not interested in seeking more pay for the poor, or a sense of justice but one of envy. Bring everyone else down to poverty level? Why is that that businesses often will compete to pay considerably more for the best people or that businesses pay most people considerably more than minimum wage? Who is every one else?

    You might want to consider plugging some of those holes in your "logic".