PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE #2: WAS IT CRITICAL? Who won?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 08, 2008 2:25 AM GMT
    For me this wasn't a close debate at all... Obama sounded like the next President of the United States, McCain didn't. If I had any questions, this debate certainly cleared it.

    I certainly liked the format and the discussion and watching both think on their feet.. with both domestic and foreign policy,

    I especially liked the "anticipation vs reaction" commentary with regard to
    Russia, Georgia and other foreign policy threats.
  • silverfox

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    Oct 08, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    If McCain says "My friends" one more time I think I am going to vomit.
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    Oct 08, 2008 2:39 AM GMT
    I honestly didn't learn that much new from the candidates. It was annoying that they kept reverting back to their talking points even when the questions were asking them to talk about something else. But I guess that's politics.

    But what the hell was with McCain and his aimless wandering? It was distracting, and I'm not sure that it wasn't intentionally so.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 08, 2008 3:26 AM GMT
    Personally, I found the debate a major disappointment. Neither candidate really got all that specific or offered any new ideas. Although, I thought McCain's $300 billion mortgage refinancing plan for Americans, while extremely interesting, and I definitely think it was a bold move, there was no explanation how this would be paid for, so this idea has to be fleshed out. I do think that the age difference really stood out tonight. McCain looked wobbly at times, sort of like he was hobbling around, and perhaps that's his way due to war injuries, but Obama still had that more polished youthful veneer that stood out and just seemed fresher. That being said, much like the last debate, I didn't feel that either candidate had a clear win, there was no glaring gaffes, nor were there any home runs that either could really claim. Overall, the debate was a snoozer...seemed to go on FORever...and I wouldn't be surprised if many Americans tuned out about 3/4 of the way through because it was a lot of stuff we have heard from both candidates over and over again over the course of the campaign. McCain didn't have any moments that helped him, or hurt him, but then neither did Obama. So, because of that, the debate didn't seem worth the time. Just my 2 cents.
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    Oct 08, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    blah. I heard the same talking points from both candidates on the same issues. One thing is clear. McCain needs to fire his entire campaign staff if he stands a chance of winning. To be fed the same talking points which didn't work in the democratic primary or the first debate is a sin. McCain had one of the few remaining opportunities to change the directions of his campaign and he didn't. Even though he debated well, it was not a game changing situation.

    Fire the bastards John.
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    Oct 08, 2008 4:11 AM GMT
    silverfox1 saidIf McCain says "My friends" one more time I think I am going to vomit.



    I know exactly what you mean...I keep expecting him to say..." My friends, right here in River City"...what does he think this is, The Music Man ?

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    Oct 08, 2008 4:12 AM GMT
    McCain claimed that nuclear energy is the future, and that it was environmentally friendly. How is the radioactive nuclear waste that is a a part of the process friendly to the environment? It's half life is well over 100 years if I'm not mistaken, and storage of the nuclear waste would be costly and only a temporary fix. The horrifying thought of terrorist activity associated with these nuclear power plants is ever present as well. That's disregarding the catastrophies that have already occurred in the past!

    Personally, I'm a strong supporter of wind, solar, and ocean current energy. It's plentiful and constant. It's also much cleaner, more environmentally friendly, and safer than oil or nuclear energy. I think one reason why these three aren't more popular is due to the fact that the source of the energy is free, there isn't a large opportunity for profit. Oil and nuclear materials need to be bought, distributed, refined, and sold. Wind is free. The Sun's rays are free (and becoming stronger due to the holes in our ozone). Ocean currents are constant and as strong as ever. Who's going to invest the large sums of money to get the systems universally in place if they can't make money on it? I'd like to say the government, but it appears we need to first deplete our own oil supplies and then those of the rest of the world.

    I don't know a ton about this type of stuff, but this is what I see, think, and feel. I personally hope to own a home that can run entirely without the aid of power generated by the constant use of fossil fuels. It may not be the cheapest route in the short term, but I'll be able to sleep with the confidence that my home can run on its own by harnessing the awesome and infinite power of the planet we live on.

    I sincerely hope that Obama is the next president of the USA. McCain is appalling and leaves me feeling cold.
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    Oct 08, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    Watching the "debate" was at times frustrating because I felt that both candidates were going around in circles. Otherwise I felt Obama was much more "Presidential" and could speak intelligently about the issues. McCain in his hush-hush voice and "my dear friends" every five minutes drove me insane, not to mention the fact that he spoke in more general terms and BTW as was pointed out by ABC after the debate.....his supposed Mortgage Refinancing Plan was already passed in the 700B bail out plan signed in to law last week. He obviously did not read it or he must really think that we are dumber than dumb.
  • silverfox

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    Oct 08, 2008 4:46 AM GMT
    Did you guys see the cute little handshake "snub" from McCain to Obama?

    You know it is stuff like this, plus McCain referring to Obama as "THAT ONE...." that is the stuff American's are cringing over.....

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    Oct 08, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    Speaking of handshakes, I like Obama to begin with, but one thing that I think made a lot of points for him, and simultaneously helped shoot down McCain a bit more, was AFTER the debate ended. Not only did McCain do that handshake snub toward Obama, AND get in Brokaw's line of sight causing Brokaw to ask McCain to move so he could finish reading his script, but most importantly was that after it was over, McCain shook a few hands in a somewhat cursory manner, then went into the corner for a moment, then grabbed his legal pad and notes from his stand, and left, while all of the audience was still wanting more.
    Obama, on the other hand, along with Michelle and Brokaw, stayed in the room and for nearly twenty minutes, Obama met, spoke with, and shook hands with pretty-much everybody in the room, no matter how long it was going to take. He signed autographs, he gladly posed for pictures with anyone who approached, he laughed with them, and he spoke WITH them, and seemed to genuinely listen and connect with those people.
    He made a personal connection in some way with everyone there while McCain simply left the room after less than 4 minutes after the close of the debate.
    Meeting your potential voters, connecting with them in the personal way Obama did, is a very Presidential thing to do, and I'll bet he swayed a lot of the undecideds in the room tonight.
    At the very end, just before they cut off the video feed, the entire audience was on the floor with Obama, and they and he were all kneeling down together in a kind of "Class Photo" or crew photo you see at the final wrap of a movie, where the whole crew and cast gather for a big group shot.

    I liked that.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:03 AM GMT
    The real heart of our financial crisis is high oil prices. Frank Raines was endorsing and bundling bad mortgages and selling them off as MBS' that the suckers on wall Street bought but, had the oil prices and supply been stable, the problem with Fannie Mae could have been fixed.

    John McCain understands this. The oil embargo in 1973 was tough on America, but a catastrophe to most emerging states around the world.
    Barrack Obama probably doesn't remember much of 1973. So on the first question of the night, John McCain had the right answer and has the right answers to get us back on our feet and protect the free world.

    Barrack Obama just used his vague double speak to get by. After all, Barrack has ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes for him.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/voter_fraud_probe;_ylt=AhaZXhpF6zCOwABQGpg6CYRh24cA
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 08, 2008 5:04 AM GMT
    Very dissapointing on both parties. I think if someone is still undecided they didn't learn much more about their candidate. I actually felt bad for both. Neither was stand out in my honest heart-felt opinion.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    John43620 saidThe real heart of our financial crisis is high oil prices. Frank Raines was endorsing and bundling bad mortgages and selling them off as MBS' that the suckers on wall Street bought but, had the oil prices and supply been stable, the problem with Fannie Mae could have been fixed.

    John McCain understands this. The oil embargo in 1973 was tough on America, but a catastrophe to most emerging states around the world.
    Barrack Obama probably doesn't remember much of 1973. So on the first question of the night, John McCain had the right answer and has the right answers to get us back on our feet and protect the free world.

    Barrack Obama just used his vague double speak to get by. After all, Barrack has ACORN to stuff the ballot boxes for him.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/voter_fraud_probe;_ylt=AhaZXhpF6zCOwABQGpg6CYRh24cA




    I continue to be simply amazed......

    LOL !!!
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:38 AM GMT
    nothing surprises me anymore between john's theory of politics and pattison's... well, anything that comes out of pattison's mind.
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    Oct 08, 2008 10:14 AM GMT
    McCrap lost another one, my friends. Coming is the day when conservative and republican are dirty words.
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    Oct 08, 2008 10:31 AM GMT
    McCain lost because he needed to win. Just showing up and getting thru is not an option for the dire straits that his campaign is in.

    The continued tanking of the economy is going to keep him down.

    One response I wish Obama had given was to McCain boast of opposing his party's leaders and Obama never has. Obama could have knocked that one with by simply saying "with the Democrats, he never has had to." .... icon_lol.gif

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    Oct 08, 2008 11:29 AM GMT
    John43620 saidJohn McCain understands this. The oil embargo in 1973 was tough on America, but a catastrophe to most emerging states around the world.
    Barrack Obama probably doesn't remember much of 1973. So on the first question of the night, John McCain had the right answer and has the right answers to get us back on our feet and protect the free world.


  • ArmwrestlerJi...

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    Oct 08, 2008 12:17 PM GMT
    Caslon - I honestly thought he was going to say that also! (with the democrats, there is no need to vote against my party!)
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    Oct 08, 2008 12:45 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said; "Obama sounded like the next President of the United States"

    I disagree, he sounds like Reverend Wright or Reverend Ike. It's an interesting phenomenon in the "African-American" community that the clergy can tell the people what they want to hear, then rake in the chips.
    The clergy rails about the suffering of "The Poor" in their community and then work diligently to make sure they stay poor. All the while these men of the cloth are blaming the plight of their flock on the "white man" and "the white system". It appears to work rather well.

    Reverend Wright retired to a 3 Million dollar home in an affluent white community. This is the man who trained Barrack Obama.

    I think a president Obama will do the same for all of America. I suppose to some, that is "Presidential".
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    Oct 08, 2008 12:49 PM GMT
    I think McCain won the debate. There was an odd air of reassurance from him, both economically and geopolitically. It was subtle, but I think he successfully played up Obama's relative inexperience in Washington. I think Obama played the populist pity card a bit too often as well. Perhaps I was watching the debate through the eyes of a guy twenty years older than myself, but I actually began feeling swayed. This kind of shocked me because I don't typically put much stock in these debates. Part of this may be because I watched the debate on PBS, which doesn't have pundit scores and reaction charts surrounding the screen.

    Problem is, the Palin pick suggests that big oil and religious zealotry are still priorities for the GOP, and I'm very tired of that element in Washington. This is a big deal breaker. I'm sure many independents feel the same way. McCain really shot himself in the foot with that VP pick, and betrayed his own image as an independent from all that religious, big oil, Bush/Cheney crap.

    Thus, I'll vote for change.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 08, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    John43620 saidHndsmKansan said; "Obama sounded like the next President of the United States"

    I disagree, he sounds like Reverend Wright or Reverend Ike.



    Obama didn't sound like any "Reverend" I've ever heard and sounds nothing like Reverend Wright... Good try John.
  • Barricade

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    Oct 08, 2008 1:10 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]HndsmKansan said; "Obama sounded like the next President of the United States"

    I disagree, he sounds.... It's an interesting phenomenon in the "African-American" community that the clergy can tell the people what they want to hear, then rake in the chips.
    The clergy rails about the suffering of "The Poor" in their community and then work diligently to make sure they stay poor. All the while these men of the cloth are blaming the plight of their flock on the "white man" and "the white system"...........


    You sound really ignorant to make such a blanket statement like that.
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    Oct 08, 2008 1:14 PM GMT
    John43620-

    I continue to suffer from "CHRONIC AMAZEMENT" from your replies...so much so that they continue to be a head shaker.
    Regarding the Rev Wright issue first give it a rest. The more you try to make the connection the more it just doesn't stick.

    Here's why:

    An ex-roommate of mine and former best friend. Confided in my that his father and grand-father were card carrying members of the KKK.
    I sat there in stun silence and when he was done.
    I asked him what is your relationship with him now? He said to I don't have a relationship because our "core values are not the same".

    When I found out I could have said oh since your father and grandfather are members of the KLAN that you have to be a bigot also. That would be narrow minded of me and my parents did not raise me that way.

    They did raise to with knowledge that. I will encounter racial bigotry in the country in my life on some level and they gave me the tools to deal with it.

    You have never been to Rev Wright's church how could you say that Obama has graduated from his University of Racism.

    It's just CRAZY!

    Not only is offensive....it doesn't show you in a very popular light either.
    Rev. Wright has some issues that's true and he is also a racist.



    John you also seem to forget that Obama was raised by his grandparents who incidentally are white.

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    Oct 08, 2008 1:15 PM GMT
    Barricade said[quote][cite]John43620 said[/cite]HndsmKansan said; "Obama sounded like the next President of the United States"

    I disagree, he sounds.... It's an interesting phenomenon in the "African-American" community that the clergy can tell the people what they want to hear, then rake in the chips.
    The clergy rails about the suffering of "The Poor" in their community and then work diligently to make sure they stay poor. All the while these men of the cloth are blaming the plight of their flock on the "white man" and "the white system"...........


    You sound really ignorant to make such a blanket statement like that.


    Actually, he sounds like an all-bottom right wing idelogical zombie with a textbook case of gayface.
  • Aquanerd

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    Oct 08, 2008 1:53 PM GMT
    silverfox1 saidIf McCain says "My friends" one more time I think I am going to vomit.


    Obama's "those folks," triggers my gap reflex.