BREAKING NEWS: Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act clears the Illinois House Executive Committee after late night hearing, advancing the bill to the House for a full vote!

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    Feb 27, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    So glad to live in Illinois! Proud of my state today! icon_cool.gif
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    Feb 27, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    Unfortunately there was this entirely predictable response from across the floor on the Republican side. This mystifies me as you'd think they'd be for freedom from religious restriction, which is why their ancestors left jolly olde England in the first place.

    Here: http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/illinois/
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    Feb 27, 2013 5:16 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]meninlove said[/cite] Unfortunately there was this entirely predictable response from across the floor on the Republican side. This mystifies me as you'd think they'd be for freedom from religious restriction, which is why their ancestors left jolly olde England in the first place.

    Here: http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/illinois/[/quote

    From that link these quotes piss me off the most:

    "We are knocking down one of the central foundations of society with this bill," said state Sen. Dale Bivins (R-Dixon), a "no" vote who cited poet Robert Frost and the Scriptures in pushing the bill's defeat.

    "From the Old Testament to the New, there's nothing that supports same-sex marriage," he said.


    UGH! How anyone can vote for these jerks is beyond me. icon_mad.gif

    I am still keeping my fingers crossed that my state is one of the first like others have been to be on the right side of history.

    When thesr folks quote scripture does it ever dawn on them a little thing called Speration of Church and State?

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    Feb 27, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    Haven't you gotten the memo?

    "Separation of church and state" doesn't apply to your personal religion...duh!
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    Feb 27, 2013 11:11 AM GMT
    meninlove said Unfortunately there was this entirely predictable response from across the floor on the Republican side. This mystifies me as you'd think they'd be for freedom from religious restriction, which is why their ancestors left jolly olde England in the first place.

    Here: http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/illinois/


    Right, because if there's one thing the Puritans were known for, it was their anything-goes approach to religion.
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    Feb 27, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Unfortunately there was this entirely predictable response from across the floor on the Republican side. This mystifies me as you'd think they'd be for freedom from religious restriction, which is why their ancestors left jolly olde England in the first place.

    Here: http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/illinois/


    Right, because if there's one thing the Puritans were known for, it was their anything-goes approach to religion.


    THIS.
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    Feb 27, 2013 9:22 PM GMT
    Lukehiker saidHaven't you gotten the memo?

    "Separation of church and state" doesn't apply to your personal religion...duh!

    Except an elected representative is not supposed to represent his own church, but his entire constituency. And not always the simple majority, either, but work for the fair & equal treatment of all his constituents, among his many concerns.

    Now unless his entire district belongs to his Church, and holds the same doctrinal views that he does, then he's violating his duty as a public official when he puts his personal religious beliefs ahead of his public duty. Because there are denominations that do NOT believe as he does, and those church members are in his district, too.
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    Feb 27, 2013 9:34 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Lukehiker saidHaven't you gotten the memo?

    "Separation of church and state" doesn't apply to your personal religion...duh!

    Except an elected representative is not supposed to represent his own church, but his entire constituency. And not always the simple majority, either, but work for the fair & equal treatment of all his constituents, among his many concerns.

    Now unless his entire district belongs to his Church, and holds the same doctrinal views that he does, then he's violating his duty as a public official when he puts his personal religious beliefs ahead of his public duty. Because there are denominations that do NOT believe as he does, and those church members are in his district, to.


    It's just too bad their illegal actions won't hold much water here. Unfortunately, Illinois is in such a bad state of flux with these corrupt politicians. I hate living in this state. I downright cannot stand it. My "Iowa" marriage is considered a "civil union" here in Illinois, but what is that really? Not much of anything, it's giving us just enough to MAYBE be satisfied and silent, while they get exactly what they want, a union of their church and state. This state is all about making everything great and grand for all the illegal immigrants, but when it comes to the rights of the citizens born here, we are at the bottom of the list.

    I'm sick of the corruption of government (especially in Illinois) and I'm sick of everyone having to jump through hoops to get us the rights we deserve because we are american. We all deserve equal rights, and I don't feel this state is really the place I will ever truly come across that. I'm definitely not proud to be from Illinois.
  • Lukehiker

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    Feb 27, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Lukehiker saidHaven't you gotten the memo?

    "Separation of church and state" doesn't apply to your personal religion...duh!

    Except an elected representative is not supposed to represent his own church, but his entire constituency. And not always the simple majority, either, but work for the fair & equal treatment of all his constituents, among his many concerns.

    Now unless his entire district belongs to his Church, and holds the same doctrinal views that he does, then he's violating his duty as a public official when he puts his personal religious beliefs ahead of his public duty. Because there are denominations that do NOT believe as he does, and those church members are in his district, too.


    Note joking tone....

    I'm an Atheist, I believe that separation of church and state means NO religion should be used as support of any policy, anywhere.

    I used to file complaints to my city council woman when I lived back in Michigan, stuff like:
    "You cannot site Jesus as reason to support proposal XYZ; I am one of your constituents and I Don't believe in Jesus."

    It drove her up the wall; she once read one of my letters to her before an open council and used it so support her argument "we need to push being moral more; look at this, an Atheist is in our midst!" I always got a hoot out of that dingbat....