Obama VS. McCain: An objective take

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    Oct 08, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    I watched the debate tonight on CNN and I noticed something odd. CNN has this bar at the bottom showing the reaction of the audience to either candidate.

    When Obama would speak, he starts positive, simply answering the question asked. When he does this the audience's attitude goes way up. When he's done answering the question, he begins to deconstruct McCain's plans and the audiences positive reaction doesn't vary much, often the Women's reaction bar is scraping the max.

    When McCain speaks, he ALWAYS starts with deconstructing Obama's plan, at which point the audience reaction often falls into the negative. So when McCain begins to actually answer the question asked, the audiences reaction doesn't go much higher, which is the obvious result.

    In my OPINION, I think McCain would do a whole lot better if he would lay off on the attacks until he offers his solution to the question first.

    Deconstructionists often get a bad rap because they can tear down a plan but they won't offer up an alternative, much like the anti-Federalists of Pre-Constitution America. They felt very strongly that the Constitution wasn't the right direction for the country but they couldn't offer up an alternative so the end result is a Constitution. Just my thoughts.

    What about you all? What's your OBJECTIVE opinion on the debate tonight? No partisan flame wars please. Thanks. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 08, 2008 7:56 AM GMT
    I felt the energy of the debate was kind of low. I think Obama could do better but maybe he is holding back. You are right. Too much negativity. The problem with that is once an attack is made then the other has to defend and that eats time. I think Obama is better at thinking things through and studying things which is what I like about him. If I didn't read so much, I am not sure I would understand what Obama is really like. I wish he could express some of that stuff better but am not sure a debate really allows for that.

    I felt that McCain sounded good, but the stuff he says doesn't seem to represent what he really is. He tries to come off as a diplomat, but I think in reality he is kind of a Hot Head for example. He sounds and acts like he really hates Obama even when Obama agrees with him. He sounded contemptuous when he called Obama "that one". If nothing else, McCain's anger will do himself in.

    BTW, here are some people who can read between the lines and see Obama's intelligence and potential .. remember how Obama said it is important to see around the corner when it comes to national security? (see below)

    The spies who love Obama The team of former intelligence professionals who have come together to advise Barack Obama describe a candidate who they believe is open-minded and intellectually inclined to absorb information—not just the recognized current threats (terrorism, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, a resurgent and more belligerent Russia), but the ones on the horizon (nuclear terrorism, water wars, climate change and the conflicts it could generate).
    On the other hand Why CIA Veterans Are Scared of McCain

    Also Economists see the same thing in Obama:
    http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12342127A survey of academic economists by The Economist finds the majority—at times by overwhelming margins—believe Mr Obama has the superior economic plan, a firmer grasp of economics and will appoint better economic advisers.
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    Oct 08, 2008 2:56 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn said
    Deconstructionists often get a bad rap

    Don't open up that can. :p
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    Oct 08, 2008 3:29 PM GMT
    Very astute observation, Ryan!

    I believe it shows that the viewers don't like personal attacks and prefer to hear what YOU have to offer. Obama seemed to understand that; McCain didn't.

    Regardless of how you viewed their answers, I believe Obama was better prepared by his staff than McCain was.
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    Oct 08, 2008 3:42 PM GMT
    SFTraveler saidVery astute observation, Ryan!

    I believe it shows that the viewers don't like personal attacks and prefer to hear what YOU have to offer. Obama seemed to understand that; McCain didn't.

    Regardless of how you viewed their answers, I believe Obama was better prepared by his staff than McCain was.


    Thanks for the compliment!

    You're right, preperation is key in that type of a debate.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:07 PM GMT
    I noticed that pattern as well, Ryan, but it's also how Obama and McCain delivered their responses. Obama seemed more self-assured, more empathetic. McCain did not help himself by being snarky, including dismissively (the generous interpretation) using "that one" to describe Obama, referring to "hair plugs" as a slam to Biden. He often seemed personal. Obama attacked McCain's judgment without being personal. As a result, Obama looked far more presidential. And then to refuse Obama's handshake at the end, really childish and petty.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    I felt, even were I a republican (*shudder*) I would be offended by the colloquial tone of McCain's remarks, a tone which seemed wildly inappropriate given the context, the seriousness of our problems today, and the general mood of the US.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    EricLA saidI noticed that pattern as well, but it's also how Obama and McCain delivered their responses. Obama seemed more self-assured, more empathetic. McCain did not help himself by being snarky, including dismissively (the generous interpretation) using "that one" to describe Obama, referring to "hair plugs" as a slam to Biden. He often seemed personal. Obama attacked McCain's judgment without being personal. As a result, Obama looked far more presidential.


    That One/Biden 08!
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:31 PM GMT
    McCain constantly using the expression "my friends" to address the people there was a turn-off for me. It's forced familiarity. None of them were his friends, nor would they likely ever become his friends.

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    Oct 08, 2008 5:35 PM GMT
    Polling showed it was a snoozer of a debate, but people favored Obama over McCain. So by all available objective data Obama won.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
    From a non-partisan POV, I felt Obama conveyed erudition, historical context and a wonderful grasp of the world around him. Additionally, he projected a certainty that seems reassuring. All very, Trust me, I got this. However, he was dull and overly academic (by that I mean he wore his smarts too obviously, which is fine but threatens most people. The smartest smart people know how to be smart without always appearing so smart. Does that make sense?) Also, I wanted more personality.

    Meanwhile, McCain demonstrated too much personality and not enough foundation - no concrete under the house he seemed to construct. For example, the buying mortgages thing. Very out of nowhere and likely to be unpopular with anyone who's not qualifying for that particular buyout. Dismissively snarling 'that one' was just...wow. Such bold disdain, even birthed from the generally snarling veneer he wore the entire time, that it surprised me.
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:50 PM GMT
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    EricLA saidI noticed that pattern as well, but it's also how Obama and McCain delivered their responses. Obama seemed more self-assured, more empathetic. McCain did not help himself by being snarky, including dismissively (the generous interpretation) using "that one" to describe Obama, referring to "hair plugs" as a slam to Biden. He often seemed personal. Obama attacked McCain's judgment without being personal. As a result, Obama looked far more presidential.


    That One/Biden 08!


    Actually, according to McCain, the slogan might be "That One/Hair Plugs '08!"
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    Oct 08, 2008 5:52 PM GMT
    Obama is running for king. He wants to be a better king than King George. ..I am going do this... i'm going to do that...In a democracy the people do everything and the Congress makes the laws..The presidents job is to see that things are running smoothly.
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    Oct 08, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidObama is running for king. He wants to be a better king than King George. ..I am going do this... i'm going to do that...In a democracy the people do everything and the Congress makes the laws..The presidents job is to see that things are running smoothly.


    If that's so, then why do we, as Americans, keep asking the candidates WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO?

    This is not a real democracy; it's a representative republic. We WANT someone in office who has some level of vision for the country, and that's something that comes from within the person holding office and not The People.
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    Oct 08, 2008 7:14 PM GMT
    If I hear Grandpa McSame say "my friends" one more time, I'm gonna PUKE. He'll NEVER be a friend of mine. :>(
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    Oct 08, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    debate was very boring. McCain did not do what he needed to do and that was to give a knockout blow to Obama


    Tom Brokaw sucked as a mediator. He had 6 million questions (literally) to pick from but chose the same old dull questions where both MCCain and Obam sounded like broken records



    Obama needs to explain:

    his socialist health care plan

    his record of voting to raise taxes 94 times

    his ties to William Ayes (domestic terrorists)

    his ties to Reverand Wright (a racist anti -American bigot0

    his ties to Father Phelger (another racist and anti American bigot)

    his ties to Rezco ( who is now in jail for illgal activites who Obama did business with)

    Why Obama refused to wear the American flag until a marine asked him to wear one

    Michelle Obama's hate comments and college thesis on why America is a "bad country"

    Obama's memoirs (his 2 books) where he stated many anti-white comments

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    Oct 08, 2008 9:33 PM GMT
    See if you can guess who's voting for Obama:

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    Oct 08, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saiddebate was very boring. McCain did not do what he needed to do and that was to give a knockout blow to Obama

    Obama needs to explain:

    his socialist health care plan

    his record of voting to raise taxes 94 times

    his ties to William Ayes (domestic terrorists)

    his ties to Reverand Wright (a racist anti -American bigot0

    his ties to Father Phelger (another racist and anti American bigot)

    his ties to Rezco ( who is now in jail for illgal activites who Obama did business with)

    Why Obama refused to wear the American flag until a marine asked him to wear one

    Michelle Obama's hate comments and college thesis on why America is a "bad country"

    Obama's memoirs (his 2 books) where he stated many anti-white comments


    All these answers have been detailed in other posts. You're just being inflammatory as if it's going to be an effective strategy. If Palin and Fox News can't make these flimsy "issues" stick, neither will you.
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    Oct 08, 2008 9:45 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saiddebate was very boring. McCain did not do what he needed to do and that was to give a knockout blow to Obama


    Tom Brokaw sucked as a mediator. He had 6 million questions (literally) to pick from but chose the same old dull questions where both MCCain and Obam sounded like broken records



    Obama needs to explain:

    his socialist health care plan

    his record of voting to raise taxes 94 times

    his ties to William Ayes (domestic terrorists)

    his ties to Reverand Wright (a racist anti -American bigot0

    his ties to Father Phelger (another racist and anti American bigot)

    his ties to Rezco ( who is now in jail for illgal activites who Obama did business with)

    Why Obama refused to wear the American flag until a marine asked him to wear one

    Michelle Obama's hate comments and college thesis on why America is a "bad country"

    Obama's memoirs (his 2 books) where he stated many anti-white comments



    icon_rolleyes.gif Give me a break... this is why McCain is losing. Most voters who are still swayable don't want to hear about any of that petty crap.. They want to hear about the economy and how the candidate is going to fix it.
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    Oct 08, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    It's a shame how clueless people are. You think the economy is bad now..wait until Obama becomes president. The increased taxes on small corporations (the only shining star in the economy right now) will be devastating

    And really. many people have a problem with Obama's associations. I mean who in ther right mind would hold an event to kick off their political career in a house of a well known domestic terrorists. Add the fact that Obama listened to Reverand Wirght's racist, anti-American ranting and raving for 20 years really speaks volumes about his judgement and character. Does he honestly think that people are going to believe he did not know what Wright was saying for 20 years..GIMME A BREAK !!!!!
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    Oct 08, 2008 11:06 PM GMT
    My question to both:

    Why didn't you ask Wal-mart or Starbucks to bail out Wall-street?
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    Oct 08, 2008 11:52 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saidIt's a shame how clueless people are. You think the economy is bad now..wait until Obama becomes president. The increased taxes on small corporations (the only shining star in the economy right now) will be devastating

    And really. many people have a problem with Obama's associations. I mean who in ther right mind would hold an event to kick off their political career in a house of a well known domestic terrorists. Add the fact that Obama listened to Reverand Wirght's racist, anti-American ranting and raving for 20 years really speaks volumes about his judgement and character. Does he honestly think that people are going to believe he did not know what Wright was saying for 20 years..GIMME A BREAK !!!!!


    What the hell are you talking about? What shining star? As far as I can tell, small businesses are having just as much trouble getting loans as anyone else. And speaking of clueless and taxes... high or low they have nothing to do with the current downward spiraling economy... The causes are the credit freeze and dismal consumer confidence. People making less than 250,000K per year will get more tax cuts from Obama than from McCain... Thats the Middle Class, otherwise known as 95% of the population, otherwise known as consumers and 80% of the driving force of the US economy.


    And BTW, I didn't say that people don't care about Wright/Ayers/sex-ed for kindergartners icon_rolleyes.gif... I said the ONLY people that care the wingnuts who are already voting for Palin (not McCain - the wingnuts mostly hate him too)



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    Oct 09, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    daystroom saidPeople making less than 250,000K per year will get more tax cuts from Obama than from McCain.


    You don't get it. If people repeat that Obama will raise taxes and destroy small businesses enough times (even if that point has been shot down on countless occassions), it becomes true! Trust me, it's magic.
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    Oct 09, 2008 1:20 AM GMT


    When McCain speaks, he ALWAYS starts with deconstructing Obama's plan, at which point the audience reaction often falls into the negative. So when McCain begins to actually answer the question asked, the audiences reaction doesn't go much higher, which is the obvious result.

    In my OPINION, I think McCain would do a whole lot better if he would lay off on the attacks until he offers his solution to the question first.


    Back to the original question. I think this is why Palin was perceived to do better than Biden. In the VP debate.

    She started to answer the question. So the opinion of her response was high.
    But then she switched in mid sentence back to her pre-recorded statements that had nothing to do with the question.

    I hope everyone here is register to vote.
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    Oct 09, 2008 1:27 AM GMT
    Neither one of them really said anything new. They both did not give real answers to any of the questions.
    One of these two men will run our country.
    We will have our first African American President or Female Vice President.
    What ever the out come. I know the whole world is watching and waiting to see what American's want for there country for the next four years.
    This years outcome will go into to history.
    My only question for you is..
    Did you register to vote?