Conn. school, under pressure, approves student to wear anti-gay shirt

  • metta

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    Feb 27, 2013 4:23 PM GMT
    Conn. school, under pressure, approves student to wear anti-gay shirt

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/02/conn-school-under-pressure-approves-student-to-wear-anti-gay-shirt/
  • metta

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    Feb 28, 2013 2:08 AM GMT
    US: 68-year-old arrested after complaining that student was allowed to wear anti-gay t-shirt

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/02/28/us-68-year-old-arrested-after-complaining-that-student-was-allowed-to-wear-anti-gay-t-shirt/
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    Feb 28, 2013 2:09 AM GMT
    I made a thread about this but it got no views icon_confused.gif

    Eh... I guess this is just part of what comes with an open and accepting society. We also have to accept some of the negative people.
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    Feb 28, 2013 2:10 AM GMT
    This is the town I grew up in...I am shocked actually,. though I refused to go to that crappy school! icon_cool.gif

    Fuck you Wolcott you one horse town!
  • Medjai

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    Feb 28, 2013 2:15 AM GMT
    They have just as much right to wear that shirt as we do to peak out against this. The school made the right call.
  • KissTheSky

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    Feb 28, 2013 4:16 AM GMT
    So would the same school allow students to wear shirts that made racist statements about African Americans or anti-Semitic statements against Jews? Of course not, because gays are the last minority that it's still okay to bash.

    Every time you hear a story about any institution accepting discrimination against gay people, which is always rationalized by someone, try this experiment: substitute any racial or religious minority for gay people and ask yourself if that same institution would accept bigoted actions against that group. The answer is always "no."

  • imbrad

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    Feb 28, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    The shirt does not implicitly threaten anybody... it just states that the wearer is ignorant. His loss really. I'm glad the ACLU is supporting his right to wear the shirt. I hope this starts a legitimate discussion among the students and faculty about acceptance and open-mindedness.

    I support anyone's right to have a bad opinion and to voice it so long as no one is hurt or rights infringed.
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    Feb 28, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    I have to say I am surprised. I was in the Wolcott Public School System until 8th grade. (I was supposed to go to Wolcott High School). And the teachers actually did try to teach us acceptance of all races, orientations, ect., ect.

    Actually the principle of Wolcott High was my 8th grade History Teacher if I am not mistaken, and I am surprised she would stand for this.
  • Musicman91

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    Feb 28, 2013 6:38 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidI have to say I am surprised. I was in the Wolcott Public School System until 8th grade. (I was supposed to go to Wolcott High School). And the teachers actually did try to teach us acceptance of all races, orientations, ect., ect.

    Actually the principle of Wolcott High was my 8th grade History Teacher if I am not mistaken, and I am surprised she would stand for this.


    The kids parents probably have connections in the school somewhere. They threatened peoples jobs, they allowed it.
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    Feb 28, 2013 6:46 AM GMT
    Well people should be able to wear counter offense type of shirts to rebut this kid. I hate the sensitive card! just wear something that will piss he/she off! icon_twisted.gif
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    Feb 28, 2013 7:23 AM GMT
    Musicman91 said
    The kids parents probably have connections in the school somewhere. They threatened peoples jobs, they allowed it.
    I doubt it. The thing is everyone knows everyone in that town.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 28, 2013 7:26 AM GMT
    KissTheSky saidSo would the same school allow students to wear shirts that made racist statements about African Americans or anti-Semitic statements against Jews? Of course not, because gays are the last minority that it's still okay to bash.

    Every time you hear a story about any institution accepting discrimination against gay people, which is always rationalized by someone, try this experiment: substitute any racial or religious minority for gay people and ask yourself if that same institution would accept bigoted actions against that group. The answer is always "no."

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    There is a huge difference between allowing and accepting. This is a free speech issue. There are no threats or violence here, only symbols. If this gets censored, they are losing a right.

    It's funny how gays are all for equal rights when it suits them, like marriage. But heaven forbid someone else use their rights in a way you don't like...
  • seafrontbloke

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    Feb 28, 2013 7:58 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    KissTheSky saidSo would the same school allow students to wear shirts that made racist statements about African Americans or anti-Semitic statements against Jews? Of course not, because gays are the last minority that it's still okay to bash.

    Every time you hear a story about any institution accepting discrimination against gay people, which is always rationalized by someone, try this experiment: substitute any racial or religious minority for gay people and ask yourself if that same institution would accept bigoted actions against that group. The answer is always "no."

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    There is a huge difference between allowing and accepting. This is a free speech issue. There are no threats or violence here, only symbols. If this gets censored, they are losing a right.

    It's funny how gays are all for equal rights when it suits them, like marriage. But heaven forbid someone else use their rights in a way you don't like...


    No, it's a school. Students have the right to education in an accepting space. Keep your politics for the public forum.
  • Medjai

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    Feb 28, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    seafrontbloke said
    No, it's a school. Students have the right to education in an accepting space. Keep your politics for the public forum.


    They also have a responsibility to teach real life lessons. If a kid wants to make an intolerant statement, they should have that right. Otherwise it's censorship. The nice thing is that it's a dying view. That kid might make an unpopular statement and quickly find themselves ostracized for it, just like in real life.

    That kid is the Westboro Baptist of his school. Lets see how long spoke care about what he has to say.
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    Feb 28, 2013 11:49 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidSo would the same school allow students to wear shirts that made racist statements about African Americans or anti-Semitic statements against Jews? Of course not, because gays are the last minority that it's still okay to bash.

    Every time you hear a story about any institution accepting discrimination against gay people, which is always rationalized by someone, try this experiment: substitute any racial or religious minority for gay people and ask yourself if that same institution would accept bigoted actions against that group. The answer is always "no."



    Exactly!!! I don't know what it's like in US, but in Europe we have the freedom of speech, but at the same time it is usually illegal to depict or propagate symbols of hate speech against a recognized minority group, which gays are, so I don't see this succeeding at the supreme court.
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    Feb 28, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    seafrontbloke said
    No, it's a school. Students have the right to education in an accepting space. Keep your politics for the public forum.


    They also have a responsibility to teach real life lessons. If a kid wants to make an intolerant statement, they should have that right. Otherwise it's censorship. The nice thing is that it's a dying view. That kid might make an unpopular statement and quickly find themselves ostracized for it, just like in real life.

    That kid is the Westboro Baptist of his school. Lets see how long spoke care about what he has to say.


    It's a school, children are easily influenced by what they see, so what they see has to be censored. This is the same reason why you have PG rating etc.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 01, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    klobasnik said
    Medjai said
    seafrontbloke said
    No, it's a school. Students have the right to education in an accepting space. Keep your politics for the public forum.


    They also have a responsibility to teach real life lessons. If a kid wants to make an intolerant statement, they should have that right. Otherwise it's censorship. The nice thing is that it's a dying view. That kid might make an unpopular statement and quickly find themselves ostracized for it, just like in real life.

    That kid is the Westboro Baptist of his school. Lets see how long spoke care about what he has to say.


    It's a school, children are easily influenced by what they see, so what they see has to be censored. This is the same reason why you have PG rating etc.


    This raises another issue then. Why are schools doing the raising? Where are the parents?

    Kids are smart enough to make their own choices, for the most part. If the parents do their part and instill decent values at home, this issue would self-regulate very quickly.
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    Mar 01, 2013 12:54 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    klobasnik said
    Medjai said
    seafrontbloke said
    No, it's a school. Students have the right to education in an accepting space. Keep your politics for the public forum.


    They also have a responsibility to teach real life lessons. If a kid wants to make an intolerant statement, they should have that right. Otherwise it's censorship. The nice thing is that it's a dying view. That kid might make an unpopular statement and quickly find themselves ostracized for it, just like in real life.

    That kid is the Westboro Baptist of his school. Lets see how long spoke care about what he has to say.


    It's a school, children are easily influenced by what they see, so what they see has to be censored. This is the same reason why you have PG rating etc.


    This raises another issue then. Why are schools doing the raising? Where are the parents?

    Kids are smart enough to make their own choices, for the most part. If the parents do their part and instill decent values at home, this issue would self-regulate very quickly.


    That's a good point, the fact that the child had the tshirt is wrong in the first place.

    But on the other hand I have to say: No, children are not smart enough to make their own choices. Even if you try the hardest to teach them the values until some point they still do what they see. I know it from my own experience, children are very easily influenced and decisions they make are very often not made by them. There should always be someone watching over them and making sure that the decisions they make are not the wrong ones.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 01, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
    klobasnik said
    That's a good point, the fact that the child had the tshirt is wrong in the first place.

    But on the other hand I have to say: No, children are not smart enough to make their own choices. They do what they see. I know it from my own experience, children are very easily influenced and decisions they make are very often not made by them. There should always be someone watching over them and making sure that the decisions they make are not the wrong ones.


    In my experience, generally, if you give anyone, adult or child, the chance to do the right thing, they usually will.
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    Mar 01, 2013 1:01 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    klobasnik said
    That's a good point, the fact that the child had the tshirt is wrong in the first place.

    But on the other hand I have to say: No, children are not smart enough to make their own choices. They do what they see. I know it from my own experience, children are very easily influenced and decisions they make are very often not made by them. There should always be someone watching over them and making sure that the decisions they make are not the wrong ones.


    In my experience, generally, if you give anyone, adult or child, the chance to do the right thing, they usually will.


    But not always. Children rarely want to do something they know is bad, the thing is they very often don't know what is good and what is bad.

    Anyway, it's sad that they let the child wear it. It makes bad example for other children. I can imagine how that child is bragging about doing it and even getting the school to approve it.

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    Mar 01, 2013 1:06 AM GMT
    ATC84 saidI made a thread about this but it got no views icon_confused.gif

    Eh... I guess this is just part of what comes with an open and accepting society. We also have to accept some of the negative people.
    Would you say the same thing if it were anti-woman or anti-black or anti-Asian?
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    Mar 01, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    Who decided that t-shirts with incendiary comments were necessary to insure freedom of speech? Send the fucker home to change into something more appropriate.

    I still remember an employee at a casual Friday wearing a "It's a Black thing, you wouldn't understand" t-shirt.......icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 01, 2013 1:26 AM GMT
    ATC84 saidI made a thread about this but it got no views icon_confused.gif

    Eh... I guess this is just part of what comes with an open and accepting society. We also have to accept some of the negative people.


    Freedom of speech can be a bitch sometimes. It really sucks that people feel that way, but everyone has the right to express the way they feel--even if it's completely reprehensible.
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    Mar 01, 2013 1:40 AM GMT
    Medjai saidThey have just as much right to wear that shirt as we do to peak out against this. The school made the right call.


    This. You can't legislate people out of the right to an opinion, whether or not it's one you agree with is irrelevant.
  • metta

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    Mar 01, 2013 1:53 AM GMT
    So in public schools, is it ok to wear shirts that are anti:

    - Jewish
    - Black
    - Women
    - Asians
    - Latinos
    - White

    Or what about shirts that support organizations like the KKK?

    What about shirts with fowl language?

    I have never heard of a school that did not have some boundaries.