Prop 8 Now Winning By 5% / Gay Marriages Coming to an End in CA?

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    Oct 08, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/10/gay-marriage-ga.html

    Never, ever underestimate the power of advertising. If they can sell you on his-and-hers personal lubricants, they can even sell you on changing state law to forbid same-sex couples to marry. The latest CBS 5 poll (conducted by SurveyUSA for a San Francisco TV station) finds that support for Proposition 8, the initiative that would embed a ban on gay marriage into the California constitution, leads by five percentage points. Eleven days ago--before a blast of ads for the proposition--it trailed by five points.

    I hope we can turn this around. Your thoughts?

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    Oct 08, 2008 7:59 PM GMT
    this weekend i helped a group raise money to run ads on TV in San Diego at my local farmers market for No on Prop 8. most people where very kind and supportive. it was suprising and refreshing...whole families walking up, dads with babies strapped on their backs handing us $20 bills.

    the negative comments and slurs we got were from the most bitter, angry looking people (most of them were obese and their faces were red..just an observation) just exuding sour energy from every pore of their bodies. this really cute, sweet straight girl helping out was spit on. we were in a very liberal area i should mention.

    liberty and justice for all, we shall see.
  • vindog

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    Oct 09, 2008 4:08 PM GMT
    Can't it just go back to the Supreme Court and they can overturn it again?

    Just curious
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    Oct 09, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    Isn't there an organization that is against Prop 8 and has been doing some fundraising? Why haven't they started running ads on TV and such? Where is the HRC campaign? Where are the LGBT organizations?
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    Oct 09, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    atlnvmasc saidCan't it just go back to the Supreme Court and they can overturn it again?

    Just curious


    No, once the constitution of CA is amended to say that marriage is only between a man and a woman, it will be illegal for gay and lesbian couples to get married.

    One of the things that drives me nuts about this whole process is that it takes 2/3 of the state legislature to pass a budget in CA but our state constitution can be amended by a proposition and a simple majority.

    Amending the US constitution is a much more deliberative process, requiring a bill to pass both the House and Senate by a 2/3 majority and then be ratified by 3/4 of the states. That 51% of CA voters could take this right away from us by amending the CA constitution blows my mind when passing a budget requires more than a simple majority.

    Please contribute to the No on 8 campaigns ... and encourage everyone you know to vote against this amendment.
  • BizzQuik

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    Oct 09, 2008 5:15 PM GMT
    Take a poll with a grain of salt. Polls are meant to deceive the voter. You can manipulate a poll to say what you want. Also most polls are taken by people who want to take them and not by everyone so only certain people will take part. So just take a poll with a grain of salt. I am a mass communications student and in my class we have looked at polling the public for the last 6 weeks. The pollsters will manipulate the poll, or can influence you with the wording of a question, or even what order you answer the questions in.

    I hope Prop 8 is voted down or whatever way it is to allow gay marriage. This is looking like the ballot measure we had in Oregon 4 years ago, with no meaning yes and yes meaning no. Talk about confusing the voter.
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    Oct 09, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
    Only for the next 3 weeks if Proposition 8 passes, Tyler.

    If the anti-gay marriage people have their way, gays and lesbians will no longer be able to get married after November 4th.
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    Oct 09, 2008 6:18 PM GMT
    This is highly disturbing. If I had more time, I'd look for some other polling data to compare this against and also look at the survey phrasing--it's possible that this is an outlier because of statistical mishaps, but equally as possible that it's completely valid--but alas I don't. That being said, below are two organizations that you can donate your money and/or time to, in order to defeat this amendment.

    NoOnProp8.com

    Equality California

    These are just the first two that popped up on a Google search, but that means they're both big and popular enough to be doing the most.

    Donate your time, talent, and money now! Don't let our rights be taken away!
  • Delivis

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    Oct 09, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    Get married in Canada. Niagra Falls looks beautiful this time of year..icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 09, 2008 7:17 PM GMT
    I honestly believe this ones very close. I don't buy this poll as I don't buy polls in general that easily skew results. It's a manipulative tactic to create the illusion of trend. It's too tempting to over poll one side.

    Two of my current feelings of encouragement in all of this is that many church's have attempted to throw their hat in the ring fighting for this discriminatory prop to pass. It is vomit worthy when a church gets off their ass and fights to pass something like this but sits on their asses in their own cities allowing the escalation of gangs and drugs and does nothing about it

    Put the "sanctity" of marriage between a man and a woman out there which has become nothing but a running joke and their nipples get all twisted.

    Those paying attention to that hypocritical little game are also highly aware that dwelling in those same church's are a bunch of married closet cases.

    Many minority groups are really helping out on this one as well. It's time we stop discriminating and by allowing this prop to pass we have opened the door for state government to continue to discriminate not only based on sexuality but ethnic origin as well. Apparently all we would need is a bunch of fucked up holier then thou's to control a vote while the minority numbers are at mercy to them skewing the voting process.

    This suggested prop should be presented as a complete insult to every californian who represents the entire table of diversity. You could liken this vote to asking a majority group of KKK if they would approve of an African American couple moving into their neighborhood. We pretty much already know the votes in that one. Hardly a fair vote.
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    Oct 09, 2008 7:52 PM GMT
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    Oct 10, 2008 12:06 AM GMT
    I just donated a second time. They can always use more support.
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    Oct 10, 2008 12:18 AM GMT
    My issue with churches getting involved in this is that they openly solicit donations to the cause via the church. Any donation to the church is tax deductible as a charitable contribution because they're a 501(c)(3) organization. The church can then donate those same funds to a political cause. Although a church is prohibited from backing a particular political candidate, there is no similar restriction for ballot propositions. My opinion is that when the churches start acting like political action committees they should be treating like them according to the tax law and lose their 501(c)(3) status.

    Our donations to any of the organizations fighting Proposition 8 are not tax deductible because they're donations to a political action committee rather than a charitable organization.

    I know the Mormons are donating heavily to pass Prop 8. Well-heeled Mormon members are being asked privately to donate heavily to fund the tv commercials against gay marriage. One of the biggest donations was from the Knights of Columbus so the Catholics are hitting us hard too.