Keystone may be closer to approval

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    Mar 02, 2013 8:34 AM GMT
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/keystone-xl-pipeline-does-little-environmental-harm-us-finds/
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    Mar 02, 2013 2:58 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidGood news for both our countries.


    Given that we've seen gas prices rise by over 50 cents a gallon so far this year, it can't hurt. No better way, coupled with the slightly smaller paychecks due to the SS tax increase, to kill off the tepid recovery.

    I know well that the lack of the pipeline has nothing to do with the current escalating prices, but a little more supply won't hurt or even the expectations of more supply. And that oil is going to be consumed somewhere in the world so why not here where we will do it somewhat cleaner than they will in China or India.
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    Mar 02, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    While I don't mind if gas prices do go up - which would stimulate efforts to develop alternative energy sources and nudge us towards greater efficiency - I tend to agree. A geologist friend with impeccable credentials tells me that oil sands extraction is now acceptably clean and allows clean-up; and the latest news is that ecologists have concluded that the pipeline is safe.

    But we still need efficiency and alternate sources - and a whole array of alternatives. I keep thinking that there is great untapped business and investment potential in alternative energy.
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    Mar 02, 2013 4:56 PM GMT
    The conventional ICE will be around for a very long time. Alternative sources of energy are great too. We'll need and have variety and the market will decide. Still much room for improvement with the conventional ICE.

    Disclaimer: I will admit that I have a personal selfish reason for my desire for cheaper gas. I like cars. Old ones especially. Big ones too. Don't like $120 fill ups to get these out to shows / meets, and in the summer there's something every weekend. I think it's important that we have these vintage / historical pieces out because it breeds comradery and friendship plus puts a smile on just about everyone's face.

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    Mar 02, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
    I used to have a 1936 Packard V-12. 4-6 mpg. $120 would just about get it to the next gas station after filling it up. Sort of like a pub crawl, except for gas.

    My '47 CJ2A gets better mileage ever since I mothballed it. Miss it, though... One of these days....
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 02, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
    We have more than enough of our own oil in the US. There are huge oil reserves in North Dakota that possibly extend into Montana, Wyoming, and South Dakota. We don't need oil from Canada or any other foreign country.
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    Mar 03, 2013 12:04 AM GMT
    tazzari saidI used to have a 1936 Packard V-12. 4-6 mpg. $120 would just about get it to the next gas station after filling it up. Sort of like a pub crawl, except for gas.

    My '47 CJ2A gets better mileage ever since I mothballed it. Miss it, though... One of these days....


    My 61 Tri-power Ventura gets around 15 overall so its not so bad. Its a 4-speed plus its relativity light at 3,700+ pounds, but its still a 25 gallon tank and my 63 and 66 are 27 gallon so that hurts. These cars need to be out and around because it makes folks happy. You meet shit loads of people as if they were cute puppies
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    Mar 03, 2013 12:05 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidKeystone may be closer to approval

    Yeah, the Obama Administration just learned that there are millions of miles of other pipelines carrying potentially hazardous liquids all over the USA (including in the "environmentally sensitive areas" where Keystone is supposed to be built). And, since Obama is not allowed (at the moment) to run for a third term, there's no more need for him to placate the environmentalists.

    Blame Nixon....he's the one who created the EPA, right? icon_lol.gif


    Yep, most liberal / progressive POTUS post WWII
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    Mar 03, 2013 12:19 AM GMT
    The rumors amoung the Ottawa commentariat when John Kerry came to visit was that he was trying to get a deal, like a "North American Energy Strategy" or something like that: Harper agrees to stricter environmental regulations and Obama agrees to Keystone and so both Harper and Obama have something to sell to their respective politcal bases.
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    Mar 03, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    Here's a partial solution for a daily driver without the very negative stigma of a Prius (to me)

    http://green.autoblog.com/2013/03/01/ford-fusion-energi-qualifies-for-california-hov-lane-access/

    to keep the environment looking a little more like the more pleasant shots in this

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    Mar 03, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    freedomisntfree said
    yourname2000 said
    southbeach1500 saidKeystone may be closer to approval

    Yeah, the Obama Administration just learned that there are millions of miles of other pipelines carrying potentially hazardous liquids all over the USA (including in the "environmentally sensitive areas" where Keystone is supposed to be built). And, since Obama is not allowed (at the moment) to run for a third term, there's no more need for him to placate the environmentalists.

    Blame Nixon....he's the one who created the EPA, right? icon_lol.gif


    Yep, most liberal / progressive POTUS post WWII


    Ah, I see someone posted that the holdup in Keystone approval is due to the EPA. That is NOT correct. The holdup was due to the State Department.

    But this is just the kind of misinformation one expects when a hysterical nutcase (who advocates killing children that may not be up to his high standards in terms of physical and emotional capability) attempts to comment on American issues and the workings of the American government.


    Correct. Crosses international border so its the State Department with POTUS having final decision.
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    Mar 03, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
    http://energy.aol.com/2013/03/01/peak-oil-no-more-bankers-prepare-for-a-world-of-energy-abundanc
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    Mar 04, 2013 3:14 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 said
    freedomisntfree said
    yourname2000 said
    southbeach1500 saidKeystone may be closer to approval

    Yeah, the Obama Administration just learned that there are millions of miles of other pipelines carrying potentially hazardous liquids all over the USA (including in the "environmentally sensitive areas" where Keystone is supposed to be built). And, since Obama is not allowed (at the moment) to run for a third term, there's no more need for him to placate the environmentalists.

    Blame Nixon....he's the one who created the EPA, right? icon_lol.gif


    Yep, most liberal / progressive POTUS post WWII


    Ah, I see someone posted that the holdup in Keystone approval is due to the EPA. That is NOT correct. The holdup was due to the State Department.

    But this is just the kind of misinformation one expects when a hysterical nutcase (who advocates killing children that may not be up to his high standards in terms of physical and emotional capability) attempts to comment on American issues and the workings of the American government.

    Correct. Crosses international border so its the State Department with POTUS having final decision.

    Let's hope everyone makes the right decision, for the reasons found in your link in the post above.

    @SB: "spin, spin, spin". icon_lol.gif


    While I certainly understand the need for relatively cheap, and hopefully, relatively clean energy ... all I'm saying is don't make a mess and if you do, clean it up. None of us want it looking like the chewed off mountain tops in West Virginia's coal country. We can and must do better than that.