Polls Show Opposition to ObamaCare Is on the Rise Again

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    Mar 02, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    Well yes, because it's being implemented.

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/01/poll-public-negative-obama-health-care
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    Mar 02, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    You need to stop watching the nursing home network (FoxNews).
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    Mar 04, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidYou need to stop watching the nursing home network (FoxNews).


    That wasn't from Fox News. You should probably stop your wishful/magical thinking...
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:26 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    roadbikeRob saidYou need to stop watching the nursing home network (FoxNews).


    That wasn't from Fox News. You should probably stop your wishful/magical thinking...
    If anyone is the agent of wishful thinking, it is you Ridiot78.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:35 PM GMT
    Actually, the popularity of the Affordable Care Act is on the rise here in Florida as evident by the fact that Governor Scott is now agreeing to implement certain aspects of it. Doing this despite the fact that he spent millions of his own money fighting the Act even before he was elected governor. He is probably politically grandstanding and trying to secure his re-election but the fact remains he is doing something that he thinks a majority of the population of Florida supports. Now does that sound like opposition on the rise? If it is you obviously have no idea what is really going on. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidActually, the popularity of the Affordable Care Act is on the rise here in Florida as evident by the fact that Governor Scott is now agreeing to implement certain aspects of it. Doing this despite the fact that he spent millions of his own money fighting the Act even before he was elected governor. He is probably politically grandstanding and trying to secure his re-election but the fact remains he is doing something that he thinks a majority of the population of Florida supports. Now does that sound like opposition on the rise? If it is you obviously have no idea what is really going on. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Er...

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/04/us-usa-florida-medicaid-idUSBRE92312M20130304

    Scott, a Republican who bitterly fought President Barack Obama's national healthcare plan as a candidate and in his first two years as governor, stunned conservative supporters on February 20 when he endorsed a three-year expansion of Medicaid, provided the federal government picks up the full cost for the first three years as promised.


    How easy is it for you to say no to "free" money?

    Also - polling data here:

    http://www.jamesmadison.org/wp-content/uploads/Florida-Statewide-Medicaid-Poll.pdf
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
    Dude you are an idiot.. Yeah let's quote a survey of 600 people done by a closeted right wing organization. Why would you back up your position with that data? You do know that Florida has 19.3 million citizens? Not really a statistic that I would go with.

    and again, Governor Scott would not do anything in regards to the Affordable Care Act if he did not think this is what the people of Florida want, whether it's "free money" as you put it or for any other reason.... which btw, you just negated your opening stance by pointing out the fact of "free money"...

    so recap,,,
    a. idiot for using a survey of 600 people as representation of 19,317,568
    b. idiot for ignoring real facts and situations on the ground.



    sorry for calling you an idiot, but in this instance you are icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
    Do you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidDude you are an idiot.. Yeah let's quote a survey of 600 people done by a closeted right wing organization. Why would you back up your position with that data? You do know that Florida has 19.3 million citizens? Not really a statistic that I would go with.

    and again, Governor Scott would not do anything in regards to the Affordable Care Act if he did not think this is what the people of Florida want, whether it's "free money" as you put it or for any other reason.... which btw, you just negated your opening stance by pointing out the fact of "free money"...

    so recap,,,
    a. idiot for using a survey of 600 people as representation of 19,317,568
    b. idiot for ignoring real facts and situations on the ground.



    sorry for calling you an idiot, but in this instance you are icon_rolleyes.gif


    Dude - you're a moron - without a basic grasp of the issues so you're left with personal attacks on those with whom you disagree. You refuse to even acknowledge the underlying point that Scott accepted the money only contingent that it was entirely paid for by the federal government - which does not negate my opening stance whatsoever given that it effectively means that the Obama Administration is willing to use funds from other Americans to pay for this subsidy.

    Governor Scott has done a number of unpopular things which sort of negates your central thesis. To recap, the issues aren't nearly as simple as you paint it. Polling data suggests that Floridians don't want Medicare expansion, and you don't seem to be believe in or understand statistics / polling. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidDo you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?


    Do you bother with looking at arguments that are made or are they irrelevant if they're made by people you don't like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    come on dude, I live in Florida. I am very well aware of what our governor is doing. He is doing what he thinks is popular and will get him re-elected. Can you tell me what other left leaning position he has taken of late in order to score political points. If you can do this without having to do any research then I will believe that you have at least a slight inclination of what is going on here in Florida. Until then, you don't know shit even though you think you do.
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
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    dudewithabeard saidDo you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?


    Do you bother with looking at arguments that are made or are they irrelevant if they're made by people you don't like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem




    did you just source wikipedia?
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    dudewithabeard saidDo you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?


    Do you bother with looking at arguments that are made or are they irrelevant if they're made by people you don't like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem




    did you just source wikipedia?


    Yes - for a simple definition that you're apparently unaware of.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:10 PM GMT
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    dudewithabeard saidDo you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?


    Do you bother with looking at arguments that are made or are they irrelevant if they're made by people you don't like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem




    did you just source wikipedia?


    Yes - for a simple definition that you're apparently unaware of.


    But the fact is there are so many credible sources to get the definition from but YOU CHOSE WIKIPEDIA.

    I guess you never learned that there is never a time where wikipedia is accepted as a credible source while debating.
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    dudewithabeard saidcome on dude, I live in Florida. I am very well aware of what our governor is doing. He is doing what he thinks is popular and will get him re-elected. Can you tell me what other left leaning position he has taken of late in order to score political points. If you can do this without having to do any research then I will believe that you have at least a slight inclination of what is going on here in Florida. Until then, you don't know shit even though you think you do.


    You ask for a contrived example in an attempt to disprove an unrelated point. Is Scott trying to do what's popular? Or is he doing what he thinks he can sell? Again, his endorsement of the expansion of the coverage is easy to do given that he can claim that the Federal government will cover all the costs. To turn this away could be politically difficult and unpopular.

    And the irony is that you think you know shit despite only being one of what you note is 19,317,568 people in Florida - which to my count is considerably less than 600 out of 19,317,568. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard said
    riddler78 said
    dudewithabeard said
    riddler78 said
    dudewithabeard saidDo you even research the organizations whose polls you use to back up your case?


    Do you bother with looking at arguments that are made or are they irrelevant if they're made by people you don't like?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem




    did you just source wikipedia?


    Yes - for a simple definition that you're apparently unaware of.


    But the fact is there are so many credible sources to get the definition from but YOU CHOSE WIKIPEDIA.

    I guess you never learned that there is never a time where wikipedia is accepted as a credible source while debating.


    What point do you think I was trying to prove? It's a definition - and you are full of non sequiters. You attack me personally because you are unable to form a simple argument and rebut my points. You attack sources because you cannot rebut their arguments. And yet, you call me an idiot. No - this is more a reflection on you than me.
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    dudewithabeard saidcome on dude, I live in Florida. I am very well aware of what our governor is doing. He is doing what he thinks is popular and will get him re-elected. Can you tell me what other left leaning position he has taken of late in order to score political points. If you can do this without having to do any research then I will believe that you have at least a slight inclination of what is going on here in Florida. Until then, you don't know shit even though you think you do.


    You ask for a contrived example in an attempt to disprove an unrelated point. IOr is he doing what he thinks he can sell? Is Scott trying to do what's popular? Again, his endorsement of the expansion of the coverage is easy to do given that he can claim that the Federal government will cover all the costs. To turn this away could be politically difficult and unpopular.

    And the irony is that you think you know shit despite only being one of what you note is 19,317,568 people in Florida - which to my count is considerably less than 600 out of 19,317,568. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Dude, you are proving my point yet again... he is not doing what is unpopular. sheesh so therefore the governor of my state is doing what he thinks is popular with the people of Florida. This is not done without much forethought and if you think that he has even the slightest inclination that the tides are going the other way, he would not accept any of it. Thus your original statement that opposition is on the rise has once again been debunked by your argument. Thank you for doing my job.

    And as far as getting "free money", that money is not free. Those are my tax dollars which I want spent on the those who have no access to affordable and appropriate health care. This is an opinion that many people I know have and even those that have not been supportive of are now. And as far as to what my knowledge is in regards to Florida, I know a fuck more than someone up in Canada. Trust.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
    I win by the way..... the Governor is trying to get public school teachers a $2500 a year raise. Not really a right wing sort of thing, eh?


    edit: I won because you sourced Wikipedia, a classic rookie mistake.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:31 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    dudewithabeard saidcome on dude, I live in Florida. I am very well aware of what our governor is doing. He is doing what he thinks is popular and will get him re-elected. Can you tell me what other left leaning position he has taken of late in order to score political points. If you can do this without having to do any research then I will believe that you have at least a slight inclination of what is going on here in Florida. Until then, you don't know shit even though you think you do.


    You ask for a contrived example in an attempt to disprove an unrelated point. IOr is he doing what he thinks he can sell? Is Scott trying to do what's popular? Again, his endorsement of the expansion of the coverage is easy to do given that he can claim that the Federal government will cover all the costs. To turn this away could be politically difficult and unpopular.

    And the irony is that you think you know shit despite only being one of what you note is 19,317,568 people in Florida - which to my count is considerably less than 600 out of 19,317,568. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Dude, you are proving my point yet again... he is not doing what is unpopular. sheesh so therefore the governor of my state is doing what he thinks is popular with the people of Florida. This is not done without much forethought and if you think that he has even the slightest inclination that the tides are going the other way, he would not accept any of it. Thus your original statement that opposition is on the rise has once again been debunked by your argument. Thank you for doing my job.

    And as far as getting "free money", that money is not free. Those are my tax dollars which I want spent on the those who have no access to affordable and appropriate health care. This is an opinion that many people I know have and even those that have not been supportive of are now. And as far as to what my knowledge is in regards to Florida, I know a fuck more than someone up in Canada. Trust.


    I wish you were more literate. That's why I put the words "'free" in quotes. They can't afford to bribe every state. It's quite telling that the Obama Administration had to pay for the expansion in its entirety only after which time Scott would endorse it - or are you disputing this fact as quoted from Reuters? That he thinks he can sell the endorsement doesn't mean he doesn't think it couldn't be seen as unpopular - or are you unable to differentiate these points?

    This makes it easier to sell, but it doesn't suggest or prove that opposition to Obamacare isn't on the rise. Then again, just wait until this works its way through in Florida:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3049132

    You win because I linked to Wikipedia's definition of "ad hominem"? Heh - I bet you even believe that.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    hahaha.. now you are using the failed Mediscare tactic. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    So now you are using a debunked hypothetical as support to you argument.


    Heh - debunked hypothetical? The medicare cuts to the Medicare Advantage program - which covers about 25% of Medicare recipients were announced a few weeks ago.

    http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/Medicare/37667 Oh let your lying eyes deceive you. Unless you were referring to Ad Hominem attacks in which case, I again point out to you it was a definition.

    And oh btw - I wasn't using the fact to support my argument - it's largely peripheral but will result in less support in the future particularly in Florida.
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    Mar 05, 2013 8:10 PM GMT
    you are living in the land of wishful thinking,, good luck with that...


    and next time, please do me the favor of not sourcing wikipedia. My education just will not allow me to overlook it or take it seriously, thus not taking you serious even though you may have made some compelling arguments.

    but I still win because you have admitted that Governor Scott is doing what he thinks will sell to get him re-elected and it should be common sense that something that sells is popular. And this is coming from the man who spent tens of millions of dollars fighting against the Affordable Care act before he was elected. His drastic position change can only mean one thing, what he once thought was unpopular is now gaining popularity.


    hope you have a good rest of your day and stay warm up there. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    dudewithabeard saidyou are living in the land of wishful thinking,, good luck with that...


    and next time, please do me the favor of not sourcing wikipedia. My education just will not allow me to overlook it or take it seriously, thus not taking you serious even though you may have made some compelling arguments.

    but I still win because you have admitted that Governor Scott is doing what he thinks will sell to get him re-elected and it should be common sense that something that sells is popular. And this is coming from the man who spent tens of millions of dollars fighting against the Affordable Care act before he was elected. His drastic position change can only mean one thing, what he once thought was unpopular is now gaining popularity.


    hope you have a good rest of your day and stay warm up there. icon_smile.gif


    Heh - sourcing wikipedia for a basic definition to rebut your problematic arguments doesn't quite rise to the level of sourcing in my book. Win? You seem to think this is about winning - but on this point you've lost because of the additional costs that will result - not to mention how Obamacare will make a broken system even worse.

    Governor Scott is doing something he thinks he can sell to Floridians - because the Obama Administration has basically bribed him to do so. You won't even acknowledge the underlying point that in order to get him to agree, the Obama Administration had to promise to cover the full cost of the Medicare expansion.

    Now as for gaining popularity? No, you haven't even come close to proving your point. But have a good day icon_wink.gif
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    dudewithabeard saidyou are living in the land of wishful thinking,, good luck with that...


    and next time, please do me the favor of not sourcing wikipedia. My education just will not allow me to overlook it or take it seriously, thus not taking you serious even though you may have made some compelling arguments.

    but I still win because you have admitted that Governor Scott is doing what he thinks will sell to get him re-elected and it should be common sense that something that sells is popular. And this is coming from the man who spent tens of millions of dollars fighting against the Affordable Care act before he was elected. His drastic position change can only mean one thing, what he once thought was unpopular is now gaining popularity.


    hope you have a good rest of your day and stay warm up there. icon_smile.gif


    Heh - sourcing wikipedia for a basic definition to rebut your problematic arguments doesn't quite rise to the level of sourcing in my book. Win? You seem to think this is about winning - but on this point you've lost because of the additional costs that will result - not to mention how Obamacare will make a broken system even worse.

    Governor Scott is doing something he thinks he can sell to Floridians - because the Obama Administration has basically bribed him to do so. You won't even acknowledge the underlying point that in order to get him to agree, the Obama Administration had to promise to cover the full cost of the Medicare expansion.

    Now as for gaining popularity? No, you haven't even come close to proving your point. But have a good day icon_wink.gif


    you have a book?

    isn't there usually a winner/loser in an impromptu online debate? if not then what exactly are we doing here and what is the point of this. Minds are not being changed because of our conversation.

    I have actually won because now I can live my dream and start my own business without the fear of outrageous costs because of pre-existing conditions, and that is even if I don't get turned down.

    just because you think Scott was "bribed" does not support your claim of opposition rising, I don't really think it supports any part of your argument.

    that is Medicaid expansion, which I know you know but I just want to throw that one in icon_wink.gif

    and it was never my responsibility to prove that there is a rise in popularity, all I had to do was to disprove you argument. which is the claim that opposition to the Affordable Care Act is on the rise. All of my arguments and statements would suggest otherwise.

    and thank you..




    ps.. I like to have the last word, but if you post again, I will let you have it this time. icon_biggrin.gif