... and at the same venue when Palin told of her just dreadful dreadful treatment by the "gotcha" media the crowd then turned on the media that was there yelling at them and telling a black sound man to ... sit down BOY???
... and this isn't brought up by the candidates??? That is no Uncertain terms can this type of behavior be tolerated ever?
Unless .... that's exactly what they were aiming for in the first palce
I am certain there are republican racists just as i am certain there are racists who are democrat or independent. Those comments are horrible and nothing would make me happier than to have these incidences further explored. I believe the democractic party is doing the right thing by letting the republican party flounder and blunder away cuz any official reaction by them would only highlight this situation and draw attention away from the real issues.
If I continue to see a campaign event like that one with people in the audience yelling all kinds of slurs, I will go back to refering to Palin by her former name.....lol
Seriously, its all a campaign ploy by a cheap and desperate campaign.
All Republicans are not racists, and all racists are not Republicans. But their political philosophies go together like bread & butter, because racists are most frequently right-wingers. And that's true in other countries, too.
In trying to energize and expand their right-wing base, McCain and Palin are appealing to the basest of the base. As their polling numbers plummet, so do their ethics & integrity.
We got our large magnetic Obama-Biden sticker in the mail yesterday, for making a contribution online. I put it on one of the cars this morning. Should be more coming shortly. I see plenty of them here in Gayville, Florida, but no McCain-Palin. Good.
Republicans are not racist inherently (though their policies do harm racial minorities in general). But these Palin rallies have been getting out of hand. She is not necessarily responsible for what people at the rallies do or say, but as a candidate for vice-president it is shameful that she is not doing anything to stop them. With reports like this appearing virtually every day she should be sensitive to it and say it is inappropriate. And until she does, she is the Eva Braun of the GOP ticket.
MunchingZombie said [Palin] is the Eva Braun of the GOP ticket.
I find that somehow appealing as a slogan, though historically flawed. Eva Braun was kept under wraps by the Nazis, never openly campaigned for Hitler, never held any political power herself. Nor even had any political influence, it appears. She was Hitler's secret mistress, and nothing more.
Red: Oh yes, I am well aware of Eva's role. As far as the McCain campaign is concerned Palin isn't a politician, she is just a walking uterus, a fertility statue for impotent McCain. So Eva/Eve is a fitting.
MunchingZombie saidRed: Oh yes, I am well aware of Eva's role. As far as the McCain campaign is concerned Palin isn't a politician, she is just a walking uterus, a fertility statue for impotent McCain. So Eva/Eve is a fitting.
And here I was thinking that calling her the "Palin woman" was inappropriate...LOL
MunchingZombie saidRed: Oh yes, I am well aware of Eva's role. As far as the McCain campaign is concerned Palin isn't a politician, she is just a walking uterus, a fertility statue for impotent McCain. So Eva/Eve is a fitting.
Yes, I see the parallels. Also that McCain has a penchant for younger trophy women. He isn't marrying her, but she is his running "mate."
She's in a subordinate, supportive, stereotypically old-style female role, even if the office in question is the Vice-Presidency. And the values stressed about her fall into that range. She "stands by her man" while her "man" and his people pull her strings.
I'm guessing that the true intellectual leaders of the conservative movement are now fully realizing the price they've paid by aligning themselves with the willfully ignorant and intolerant.
Fiscal conservatism, flawed though it might be when applied to the real world, isn't the problem. The problem is that the Republicans became the party of the "moral majority" and, in doing so, established an environment that coddles the jingoistic and religiously fervent.
Now they're in a tough position: they're stuck dealing with a whole bunch of knuckle draggers - people that they need in order to get their politicians elected, but who are toxic to the intelligent. They've created their own brain drain environment.
So...in summary: Republicans aren't racists. Douche bag ignorant assholes are racists. There just happens to be a large cross over between those two groups.
hobronto saidI'm guessing that the true intellectual leaders of the conservative movement are now fully realizing the price they've paid by aligning themselves with the willfully ignorant and intolerant. [SNIP]
Agreed, and I wrote something similar here in another thread. The Republicans are riding the whirlwind, but what bothers me is that their national party status has given legitimacy, and recruitment powers, to those groups you mention in your full post.
The Religious Right has in fact become larger and more powerful, in alliance with the Republican Party, whereas previously they had much less power. I can't predict how influential they will ultimately be, but they may have the ability to remain a significant political force for generations to come.
And with an electorate permanently divided into "thirds" (right, center, left), and a right wing that is as monolithic as the old "Solid South" once was, their voice will be heard in national politics and debates for many more years.
The Republicans did indeed open a Pandora's Box for their own selfish interests, and now the rest of us must struggle to restore a world imperiled.
Racists may be a going a little overboard. But their economic, social, immigration policies, etc., etc., tend to benefit white people more and put others at a disadvantage. I'm sure this is attractive to people who are racist.
The Republican party has a strange relationship with racism, stemming from the "Southern Strategy." The rise of the modern conservative movement can be traced directly to the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
It is possible to believe in the conservative agenda and not be a racist. That's for sure. But since conservatism doesn't see inequality as a problem, a laissez faire attitude toward economic inequality (which disproportionately hurts nonwhites) is often seen as a way to keep racial minorities down. It's a fair criticism, even if it ascribes racist motives to many principled conservatives that aren't there.
What seems undeniably true, however, is that the GOP is more than willing to appeal to racists, especially when the chips are down for their candidates. They know they need the votes of the angry white men who for some reason feel cheated by the system, and they are more than willing to encourage these people without making overtly racist appeals. Do you remember how long it took the GOP to repudiate the candidacy of David Duke?
I think that in John McCain's case, the fact that he needs racist votes is particularly troubling for him. He's a decent man, and I bet he is disgusted by a lot of what he's had to do to stay alive as a candidate. I don't think his snubbing of Obama or his contemptuous references to Obama are racist -- I think he just can't believe that the people appear to like Obama better and treats his "enemy" with scorn -- but his behavior is surely going to make racists happy. Lee Atwater isn't dead.
The fact is: if the GOP purged itself of racists, it would be dead. Republicans know that and accept it.
EricLA saidRacists may be a going a little overboard. But their economic, social, immigration policies, etc., etc., tend to benefit white people more and put others at a disadvantage. I'm sure this is attractive to people who are racist.
How about bigot then? My word processor gives this thesaurus listing:
I'm not sure if this is racist. Prejudice however, yes. Racism as I understand is based on actions against another human on the basis of their race... whereas prejudice is simply that. Subtlety aside, it's a travesty for this "Country First" message to have someone yell this and yet Palin doesn't say a word or address this hatred head on.
I think that in John McCain's case, the fact that he needs racist votes is particularly troubling for him. He's a decent man, and I bet he is disgusted by a lot of what he's had to do to stay alive as a candidate. I don't think his snubbing of Obama or his contemptuous references to Obama are racist -- I think he just can't believe that the people appear to like Obama better and treats his "enemy" with scorn -- but his behavior is surely going to make racists happy. Lee Atwater isn't dead.
The fact is: if the GOP purged itself of racists, it would be dead. Republicans know that and accept it.
A decent man would not divorce his ailing wife to marry a rich, younger woman just a month later. Selfish? Yes. Unconscientious? Most definitely. Decent? Absolutely not. And given the nature of race relations in this country, a decent white man would not intentionally treat a black man, who is his equal, like an insignificant subordinate.
Indeed, McCain is indecent. And yes, in my opinion, he's also a racist asshole.
BlkMuscleGent said< Indeed, McCain is indecent. And, yes, in my opinion, he's also a racist asshole.
AMEN! And I strongly suspect, mentally unstable. Whether that's a residual of his POW captivity or something else, I don't know. Nor need to know. What is relevant is his history of public erratic behavior. Not a person we dare have as President and Commander-in-Chief.
I'd at least like to believe that Republicans are more likely to be racist (or at least bigoted) than Democrats. Pollsters looking at Appalachian Democrats will tell you Obama has an uphill climb securing their votes.
Saw this a few weeks ago on Towleroad -- a rural Hillary Clinton supported talking about Obama. A bit scary. Does get racist towards the end, so be warned:
Yes there are racist in the Republican party just as there are racist in the Democratic part and truth be told. I would have more respect from some who is racist because I would know what to expect from you.
Do I think that the tone of the McCain campaign has turned into a game of race baiting, yes! Is it racist absolutely and it's also dangerous.
My fear has been since Obama entered the race is and was that some over-zealous American might harm him or a member of his family.
That's where we are now when we have McCain/Palin supporters yelling kill him! They stand there silent. It's Madness which in my opion Racism and bigotry on any level is a form of MADNESS!
Ducky44 saidYes there are racist in the Republican party just as there are racist in the Democratic part and truth be told. I would have more respect from some who is racist because I would know what to expect from you.
Do I think that the tone of the McCain campaign has turned into a game of race baiting, yes! Is it racist absolutely and it's also dangerous.
My fear has been since Obama entered the race is and was that some over-zealous Aermican might harm him oe a member of his family.
That's where we are now when we have McCain/Palin supporters yelling kill him! They stand there silent. It's Madness which in my opion Racism and bigotry on any level is a form of MADNESS!
As I said, I think the GOP should purge itself of racists. The GOP lacks the courage to let go of these nasty people. And it looks like they're going to lose the election, which they should.
The other day I was reading anecdotes from Obama canvassers in Indiana. They would call Obama a nigger and use horrible racist language to describe him. But they would follow with "but with the way this economy is going I just don't know who I am going to vote for". If people like that are undecided voters McCain has some big problems.
BlkMuscleGent said< Indeed, McCain is indecent. And, yes, in my opinion, he's also a racist asshole.
AMEN! And I strongly suspect, mentally unstable. Whether that's a residual of his POW captivity or something else, I don't know. Nor need to know. What is relevant is his history of public erratic behavior. Not a person we dare have as President and Commander-in-Chief.
Well, I think McCain would make a terrible president. He has no idea what to do about the economy. I'm not a fan of his foreign policy ideas.
Do we have to make him an insane racist, too?
When we do aren't we the same as the Republican strategists who try to convince us that there is something "not quite right" or "different from you and me" about Obama?
[quote][cite]NNJfitandbi said[/cite Do we have to make him an insane racist, too?
I did not say "insane racist," but mentally unstable as a general statement. His public history in elective office is erratic, with wild swings. Racism is another issue, but his instability when under pressure is documented.
The fact that neither Palin or McCain came out after the fact to denounce the chanting of "Kill him" etc. makes them despicable...not sure they would be considered racists because of this.
BlkMuscleGent said< Indeed, McCain is indecent. And, yes, in my opinion, he's also a racist asshole.
AMEN! And I strongly suspect, mentally unstable. Whether that's a residual of his POW captivity or something else, I don't know. Nor need to know. What is relevant is his history of public erratic behavior. Not a person we dare have as President and Commander-in-Chief.
Well, I think McCain would make a terrible president. He has no idea what to do about the economy. I'm not a fan of his foreign policy ideas.
Do we have to make him an insane racist, too?
When we do aren't we the same as the Republican strategists who try to convince us that there is something "not quite right" or "different from you and me" about Obama?
We don't have to make McCain a racist. If he "walks" like a racist and "talks" like a racist, then he is a racist.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: (Republican) -led the way to end slavery
RICHARD NIXON: (Republican) -raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent -doubled the budget for black colleges -adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; -invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise),
RONALD REAGAN: (Republican) -signed into law “Martin Luther King Day” as a national holiday
PRESIDENT GEORGE H BUSH (Republican) -appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court as only the second black person to ever serve in this position
GEORGE W BUSH (Republican) -Bush has more blacks in his administration and inhigher office positions than any other president in the history of the U.S.
What have the Dems done for minorities except give government backed free programs (ie welfare, food stamps,etc) that only keeps the poor and minorities down
and what about Obama's racists remarks in his 2 memoirs (books)?
KyleBelfast saidI saw on news that this Obama person started his run by having a party at a terriost home. And made racists comments in two books. Never heard of Palin or Mcain doing that. If she said boy, maybe it was a young kid, I get called boy all the time. Is that a bad thing in America to be called boy???
The term "boy" is what white slave owners would call their black male slaves regardless of age. It still has power today as a way for a white person to use to a black man. And you can still find in use in the South.
In this case, "sit down, boy" was used on a black man who works for the media. So, yes, it can be a bad thing in American to be called "boy" depending on the context.
silverfox1 saidThe fact that neither Palin or McCain came out after the fact to denounce the chanting of "Kill him" etc. makes them despicable...not sure they would be considered racists because of this.
nycusa05 saidNO REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS.........
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: (Republican) -led the way to end slavery
RICHARD NIXON: (Republican) -raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent -doubled the budget for black colleges -adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; -invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise),
RONALD REAGAN: (Republican) -signed into law “Martin Luther King Day” as a national holiday
PRESIDENT GEORGE H BUSH (Republican) -appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court as only the second black person to ever serve in this position
GEORGE W BUSH (Republican) -Bush has more blacks in his administration and inhigher office positions than any other president in the history of the U.S.
What have the Dems done for minorities except give government backed free programs (ie welfare, food stamps,etc) that only keeps the poor and minorities down
and what about Obama's racists remarks in his 2 memoirs (books)?
nycusa05 saidNO REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS.........
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: (Republican) -led the way to end slavery
RICHARD NIXON: (Republican) -raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent -doubled the budget for black colleges -adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; -invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise),
RONALD REAGAN: (Republican) -signed into law “Martin Luther King Day” as a national holiday
PRESIDENT GEORGE H BUSH (Republican) -appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court as only the second black person to ever serve in this position
GEORGE W BUSH (Republican) -Bush has more blacks in his administration and inhigher office positions than any other president in the history of the U.S.
What have the Dems done for minorities except give government backed free programs (ie welfare, food stamps,etc) that only keeps the poor and minorities down
and what about Obama's racists remarks in his 2 memoirs (books)?
140 years. One genuine effort and seven token ones.
"Sorry about that slavery thing. Here's a Clarence Thomas cookie. Now be on your way, unless you are planning on shining these shoes."
Imagine how I feel when I see some of the guys here on campus wearing "Beat the Hell Outta OBAMA" shirts... I'm just thinking, "WOW, not cool..." You can google the name of the shirt if you wanna see one, it's pretty disturbing
I really don't wanna see anymore of this type of politics...it's cheap and dirty.
(Disclaimer: BTHO McCain shirts ARE available, though the probability of a white guy getting lynched down here in the SOuth is close to none)
Imagine how I feel when I see some of the guys here on campus wearing "Beat the Hell Outta OBAMA" shirts... I'm just thinking, "WOW, not cool..." You can google the name of the shirt if you wanna see one, it's pretty disturbing
I really don't wanna see anymore of this type of politics...it's cheap and dirty.
(Disclaimer: BTHO McCain shirts ARE available, though the probability of a white guy getting lynched down here in the SOuth is close to none)
nycusa05 saidNO REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS.........
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: (Republican) -led the way to end slavery
RICHARD NIXON: (Republican) -raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent -doubled the budget for black colleges -adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; -invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise),
RONALD REAGAN: (Republican) -signed into law “Martin Luther King Day” as a national holiday
PRESIDENT GEORGE H BUSH (Republican) -appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court as only the second black person to ever serve in this position
GEORGE W BUSH (Republican) -Bush has more blacks in his administration and inhigher office positions than any other president in the history of the U.S.
What have the Dems done for minorities except give government backed free programs (ie welfare, food stamps,etc) that only keeps the poor and minorities down
and what about Obama's racists remarks in his 2 memoirs (books)?
Well, Lincoln was the first Republican and ended slavery, but it's probably been downhill from there.
Nixon: Not positive here, but I would be pretty sure he was recorded saying some pretty racist things on those tapes he's recorded on in the White House.
Reagan: his economic policies were far from friendly to African Americans. And he turned his back on the AIDS crisis, which affected gays and black men and other minorities in large numbers. How many deaths could have been prevented if he'd acted more equitably? His policies on drug enforcement were also rather draconian, and I think have lead to the prison overcrowding issues we have today. Blacks are incarcerated in very disproportionate numbers in the prison system. Instead of arrests, people should have been put into drug treatment and education programs. Of course, if there was more economic opportunity, perhaps they wouldn't have turned to drugs or crime to begin with.
George H.W. Bush: pretty much continued most of Reagan's policies. He was marginally better about AIDS, but not much. As for Clarence Thomas? Please! That was more for the Conservatives! Thomas would do away with a lot of policies that even the playing field for minorities.
As for what Democrats have done, what about LBJ getting the most sweeping Civil Rights legislation passed?
Does these Republican accomplishments mean they are or aren't racist? No. But, to suggest they were friends of the African American community in light of certain historical facts is insulting.
nycusa05 saidNO REPUBLICANS ARE NOT RACISTS.........
ABRAHAM LINCOLN: (Republican) -led the way to end slavery
RICHARD NIXON: (Republican) -raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent -doubled the budget for black colleges -adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities; -invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise),
RONALD REAGAN: (Republican) -signed into law “Martin Luther King Day” as a national holiday
PRESIDENT GEORGE H BUSH (Republican) -appointed Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court as only the second black person to ever serve in this position
GEORGE W BUSH (Republican) -Bush has more blacks in his administration and inhigher office positions than any other president in the history of the U.S.
What have the Dems done for minorities except give government backed free programs (ie welfare, food stamps,etc) that only keeps the poor and minorities down
and what about Obama's racists remarks in his 2 memoirs (books)?
Well, Lincoln was the first Republican, so let's cut him some slack. But, yes he ended slavery. It's probably been downhill from there.
Nixon: Not positive here, but I would be pretty sure he was recorded saying some pretty racist things on those tapes he's recorded on in the White House.
Reagan: his economic policies were far from friendly to African Americans. And he turned his back on the AIDS crisis, which affected gays and black men and other minorities in large numbers. How many deaths could have been prevented if he'd acted more equitably? His policies on drug enforcement were also rather draconian, and I think have lead to the prison overcrowding issues we have today. Blacks are incarcerated in very disproportionate numbers in the prison system. Instead of arrests, people should have been put into drug treatment and education programs. Of course, if there was more economic opportunity, perhaps they wouldn't have turned to drugs or crime to begin with.
George H.W. Bush: pretty much continued most of Reagan's policies. He was marginally better about AIDS, but not much. As for Clarence Thomas? Please! That was more for the Conservatives! Thomas would do away with a lot of policies that even the playing field for minorities.
As for what Democrats have done, what about LBJ getting the most sweeping Civil Rights legislation passed?
Does what the Republicans did about mean they're racist, no. But, to suggest they were friends of the African American community in light of certain historical facts is insulting.
Good work!
But NYCUSA05 IS ARGUING IDIOTICALLY. That's why I didn't even bother to engage him.
EricLA saidI'd at least like to believe that Republicans are more likely to be racist (or at least bigoted) than Democrats. Pollsters looking at Appalachian Democrats will tell you Obama has an uphill climb securing their votes.
Saw this a few weeks ago on Towleroad -- a rural Hillary Clinton supported talking about Obama. A bit scary. Does get racist towards the end, so be warned:
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i don't care what anybody says susan sarandon looks great in this video and does an awesome job portraying a hillbilly. i didnt know she was still acting.
EricLA saidI'd at least like to believe that Republicans are more likely to be racist (or at least bigoted) than Democrats. Pollsters looking at Appalachian Democrats will tell you Obama has an uphill climb securing their votes.
Saw this a few weeks ago on Towleroad -- a rural Hillary Clinton supported talking about Obama. A bit scary. Does get racist towards the end, so be warned:
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i don't care what anybody says susan sarandon looks great in this video and does an awesome job portraying a hillbilly. i didnt know she was still acting.
Susan Sarandon? No, that's Angelina Jolie really burying herself in a role.
Sorry if I missed it in any of the posts, but did anyone watch the Republican Convention? I did! Every night of their primetime broadcasts on CNN. If you didn't, let me tell you it was a sea of white people in that auditorium. Oh, sure there were minorities there. But not in plentiful numbers. It was a stark contrast to the Democratic Convention.
wave173 saidHmm, I think you're all missing one simple fact. NOONE in the Republican party has mentioned anything about racism in this election.
Let's look at the democratic party. During the primaries. Obama's camp called Geraldine Ferraro racist. Then the Obama camp calls former Pres Bill Clinton racist. Then Obama's campaign calls Hillary racist. Let's not forget all of Obama's surrogates like Governor Sebelius constantly saying race is such an important part of this election.
Why would the racists in the Republican party voluntarily out themselves?
There are racists on both sides of the fence so what is everyone arguing about anyway?
I love the Al Sharptons of the world who are so quick to point out the white on black crime but is always silent when the black on white crime (much higher rate by the way) happens , simply amazing
There are racists on both sides of the fence. Neither side can be completely innocent of not being racists
Thank God the majority of people, however, who I beleive are good people, are not racists.
First African American Supreme Court Justice appointed by a Republican.
First African American Secretary of State and first African American Female Secretary of State appointed by a Republican.
Democrats are against school choice which would help African American parents get their children out of failing schools. Republicans are for it.
A sitting member of the U.S. Senate is a former KKK member -- he's a Democrat.
82 percent of Senate Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 while only 69 percent of Senate Democrats voted for it. Democrats launched a 57 day filibuster against it.
Historians credit the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the kick-start for the later bill of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The 1957 Act was proposed by the Republican Eisenhower administration -- Then Senator John F. Kennedy - a democrat - voted against it.
In the 26 major civil rights votes after 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 percent of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 percent of the votes. (http://www.congresslink.org/civil/essay.html and http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1982/3/82.03.04.x.html.)
Yeah... Republicans are racist.
Look, there are racists on all sides, and they're all hideous. To purport that one party is racist and the other is not belies history. Sarah Palin's much bally-hooed remark (thanks to the AP) was not a racist remark. She said that Barack Obama "is not one of us." She meant it in the context of her broader remarks, conveniently absent from the AP's reporting. Wrong or right, her point was that Obama's values - with respect to life, to national defense and other issues - were not those of herself and the people gathered at that event.
The only ones I hear injecting race into this campaign are Democrats. Hillary's campaign did it more than once and Barack himself raised the issue with his comments relative to him claiming his opposition would try to paint him as different because he didn't "look like the other presidents on our currency" (paraphrase) -- someone tell me what Barack meant when he said that... Was he suggesting his ears were bigger???
Come on -- we're all intelligent people -- we can do better than label one side racist in all of this.
Republicans have far more of a stigma of being racist, although I believe that's concentrated more in the far right. Having said that, I think the democrats are plagued (on the far left) with a lot of self-righteous minorities who think white straight males owe them everything. They are just as annoying as the racist white conservative rednecks.
MEA CULPA! I had an error in my previous post. I mistakenly claimed that the first African American Supreme Court Justice was appointed by a Republican -- that is not true - he was appointed by a Democrat (LBJ). My historical recollection was off by two years -- Marshall was appointed in '67 and not '69. Sorry.
SamerPhxAZ saidI am sure everybody are racists... Why only Republicans are racists, but not Democrats?
I wish people would stop saying everyone is racist. I'm not. Please just speak for yourselves in that regard.
Hay all it took was for me to say Obama the hidden Muslim! I was labeled a racist; lol, and I'm color blind.
Next they will try to tell me I fear homosexuals, and I not only have one long term relationship to keep going, how easy. I have two, and one is long distance.
I'm sure all those rednecks, whom drag a balk fella. by his feet from the back of a truck, are not Republicans.
SamerPhxAZ saidI am sure everybody are racists... Why only Republicans are racists, but not Democrats?
I wish people would stop saying everyone is racist. I'm not. Please just speak for yourselves in that regard.
It depends on what you mean by "racist". We tend to pretty severe in our society about what’s racist these days. By that I mean I think many people have a general fear of the unknown or at least a discomfort with it. Often that includes different cultural and ethnic groups and in the minds of many it falls under the category of "racist". In those cases I think "ignorance" works better as a descriptive term. Everyone have comfort zones.
silverfox1 saidThe fact that neither Palin or McCain came out after the fact to denounce the chanting of "Kill him" etc. makes them despicable...not sure they would be considered racists because of this.
I mentioned over and over that the Republican party has never tried to reach out to the African-American community. Has McCain or Palin attended anything that wasn't 90 percent or more Caucasian?
When I watch the Republican convention or any McCain or Palin rally, I feel invisible. It is like the browns and blacks in the U.S. just vanish.
SamerPhxAZ saidI am sure everybody are racists... Why only Republicans are racists, but not Democrats?
I wish people would stop saying everyone is racist. I'm not. Please just speak for yourselves in that regard.
Hay all it took was for me to say Obama the hidden Muslim! I was labeled a racist; lol, and I'm color blind.
Next they will try to tell me I fear homosexuals, and I not only have one long term relationship to keep going, how easy. I have two, and one is long distance.
I'm sure all those rednecks, whom drag a balk fella. by his feet from the back of a truck, are not Republicans.
Don't be too quick to paint Lincoln as quite so forward-thinking in his view of freeing the slaves. In a written response to an editorial by Horace Greely, Lincoln wrote...
"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that..."
Lincoln was a pragmatic man. It's possible his freeing of the slaves was driven partially by humanitarian reasons, but it's also likely that he freed them as more a matter of political expediency, at least in his earlier attitudes. It's also possible that he had a later epiphany which may have given fuel to more empathic sensibilities.
FALCONER saidMEA CULPA! I had an error in my previous post. I mistakenly claimed that the first African American Supreme Court Justice was appointed by a Republican -- that is not true - he was appointed by a Democrat (LBJ). My historical recollection was off by two years -- Marshall was appointed in '67 and not '69. Sorry.
The civil rights legislation (1964) was largely bipartisan and distinguished mostly by north vs south as opposed to republican vs democrat. The original House version: * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%) * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor) * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas) * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure) * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure) It is interesting to note that Arizona took so long to accept MLK day. McCain opposed it originally but expressed regret for it later.
The transformation of the republican party was related to the passage of the Civil Rights Act pushed by Kennedy/Johnson ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Political_repercussionsThe bill divided and engendered a long-term change in the demographics of both parties. President Johnson realized that supporting this bill would risk losing the South's overwhelming support of the Democratic Party. As Vice President, Johnson pushed the Kennedy administration to introduce civil rights legislation, telling Kennedy aide Ted Sorensen that "I know the risks are great and we might lose the South, but those sorts of states may be lost anyway."[14] Senator Richard Russell, Jr. warned President Johnson that his strong support for the civil rights bill "will not only cost you the South, it will cost you the election."[15] The South indeed started to vote increasingly Republican after 1964. However, political scientists Richard Johnston and Byron Schafer have argued that this development was based more on economics than on race. [16]
On June 11, 1963, President Kennedy gave a speech to the nation on civil rights. That same night, Medgar Evers (NAACP civil rights lawyer) was shot to death at his own home, while his wife and children heard the shots.
ActiveAndFit saidI don't think the all republicans are racists, but this poll was very interesting ..
Where's the version of this on how BLACK people view WHITE people? It'd be interesting to cross-reference. Based on this poll you don't know if the feeling is mutual of it it's just old fashion whites hating blacks.
jakebenson saidWhere's the version of this on how BLACK people view WHITE people? It'd be interesting to cross-reference. Based on this poll you don't know if the feeling is mutual of it it's just old fashion whites hating blacks.
The point of the poll was to show what the different parties think of blacks. I could not find a graph for that but the poll indicated that blacks are generally more positive about whites than the other way around ..
jakebenson saidRepublicans have far more of a stigma of being racist, although I believe that's concentrated more in the far right. Having said that, I think the democrats are plagued (on the far left) with a lot of self-righteous minorities who think white straight males owe them everything. They are just as annoying as the racist white conservative rednecks.
jakebenson saidRepublicans have far more of a stigma of being racist, although I believe that's concentrated more in the far right. Having said that, I think the democrats are plagued (on the far left) with a lot of self-righteous minorities who think white straight males owe them everything. They are just as annoying as the racist white conservative rednecks.
Don't forget the white gay males .
Awwww you don't think I'm racist? Well I am. Jay kay gurlfriend. (no really I fucking hate everybody).
White gay males can be pretty pretty racist and very Stepford Housewives about it. Although I think the most racist group in LA are Latinos. Well at least the ones I've dated lol
You know why Grampy et al are pandering .... They're losing so they're going to the core of their party WHICH IS RACIST HOMOPHOBIC and ETHNOCENTRIC
The republican party has always been behind.... since the turn of the century (The 20th Century not this one) it has fought against Civil rights and don't give me that southern democrat stuff because that was just a fluke of party affiliation dating back from the reconstruction Strom Thurman was never a Democrat they have fought and are still fighting against gay rights always against diplomacy against immigration reform
Balljunkie saidI mentioned over and over that the Republican party has never tried to reach out to the African-American community. Has McCain or Palin attended anything that wasn't 90 percent or more Caucasian?
When I watch the Republican convention or any McCain or Palin rally, I feel invisible. It is like the browns and blacks in the U.S. just vanish.
No but they were happy to give a black women the advancement of one of the top jobs, Ms Rice, and a top job she has done too, go Girl.
Let's not forget that Rebublicans are the party of Lincoln. That the Rebublicans fought for freeing slaves.
Let's not forget. Blue Dog Democrats, or Dixiecarts, fought against Civil Rights. Johnson had to fight them.
Let's not forget that the Klu Klux Klan was white Democrats in the south.
And let's not forget, the only former Klu Klux Klan member, still serving in Congress, is DEMOCRAT Congressmen Bird. He is a former, or still member, of the KKK. He is still a member, or former member, depending on what you believe. But he has been a Democratic member of congress for 40+ years.
Racism is such an uncomfortable subject here in the US, so much so, we don't discuss it openly and honestly. I'm a Republican and I don't consider myself a racist but most of you would.
Here's how I see it; racism is perpetuated in a cycle by minority advocate groups where only a few get rich off of it and victimization is fostered.
The best example of this is the CAC (Chicago Annenberg Challenge). I see this sort of thing here in Toledo and it's just disgusting.
The CAC was a case where a philanthropist provided Chicago with $50 Million in matching funds for the school system. A board was implemented to disperse the funds. The funds were supposedly dispersed to 201 schools, all predominantly minority schools. Less than 10% of the populations of these school's students were white. This project lasted from 1995 to 2001. Barack Obama was designated the chairman of the board. Bill Ayers (The Terrorist) was also a member of the board. The schools didn't improve, they still have a 40% High School graduation rate to this day. Can you imagine the vast number of Chicago minority citizens who were cheated out of an education? Can you imagine what this does to our society?
The Annenberg money didn't go to the students, it went to "Minority Advocacy Groups", like Jeremiah Wright and the Trinity UCC, and ACORN. These groups get rich off of complaining about racism, they keep their constituency stupid and feeling victimized. Then their uneducated communities lack the skills to attract business and jobs and further lead to the idea of victimization. It's easy to blame the system and the white man and so, continue the cycle. This idea of victimization then leads to resentment and resentment leads to crime and anti-social behavior. This lands many minority citizens in prison and further adds to the idea of victimization. The crime and anti-social behavior then leads to resentment in the white community. This resentment is considered Racist and so, not Politically Correct. Since it has the label of "Racist", it's uncomfortable to discuss. Since it's uncomfortable to discuss, it isn't discussed.
Most white students have one advocacy group, the PTA, it works very well. Groups like the; NAACP, Urban League, Rainbow PUSH, Trinity UCC and most of the churches in the Black Community don't work at all. They rake in the chips and leave their constituents poor and stupid and feeling mean.
Teachers Unions are another source of fostering the cycle of stupidity, to victimization to resentment to prison.
This entire problem was invented by Democrats and supports Democrats. No wonder the country is in a mess.
Most white students have one advocacy group, the PTA, it works very well. Groups like the; NAACP, Urban League, Rainbow PUSH, Trinity UCC and most of the churches in the Black Community don't work at all. They rake in the chips and leave their constituents poor and stupid and feeling mean.
McGay saidAH, more agreement. Is there anybody who thinks the repugs aren't racist?
Guess not.
Many are. But I don't think the GOP is racist. Colin Powell and Condi Rice don't strike me as racist.
Opposition to the modern welfare state is not inherently racist. Anyone who lived in Europe during the 80s and saw what life was like on the dole can see that paternalistic government has its flaws. We're a nation of individualists, and many Republicans are Republicans for this reason.
I personally can't write them all off, especially the ones who keep those of us on the liberal side of the fence honest.
Racism is such an uncomfortable subject here in the US, so much so, we don't discuss it openly and honestly. I'm a Republican and I don't consider myself a racist but most of you would.
Here's how I see it; racism is perpetuated in a cycle by minority advocate groups where only a few get rich off of it and victimization is fostered.
I agree that racism is an uncomfortable subject for many Americans. I also agree that we rarely discuss it openly and honestly. However, I think the problems plaguing the discussion of racism, race relations, etc., stem, in part, from the divergent definitions of words such as "racist" and "racism." In my experience, non-whites, particularly blacks and latinos, and whites define the words "racist" and "racism" differently. To this day, some of my gay white friends fail to recognize racism when it rears its ugly head. They labor to write it off as something other than racism, often arguing that the individual is merely ignorant, not racist. But I try not to hold this against them, for I know that they are decent individuals with good intentions. It is difficult, though, to maintain this approach with strangers, people with whom I have no history.
With respect to the definition of racism, it seems to me that many of us are stuck in a rut, so to speak. There's a consensus regarding the "N" word, segregated social services, and Jim Crow laws. We even agree that tossing résumés with black-sounding names into the trash can for no other reason is racist. Yet the individuals who harbor hatred towards those unlike themselves are not the only racists among us. When we appease vocal bigots by keeping silent, we are guilty of racism. When we make inappropriate jokes that no one finds funny, or inappropriate jokes that are funny yet harmful to certain groups, we are guilty of racism.
Your assertion that racism is perpetuated by minority advocate groups raises questions. While it is true that some minority advocate groups focus on pointing out racial injustice, are you implying that they are also responsible for creating these unfortunate incidents? Are the stories about Don Imus and The Bounty Hunter fairytales? Is the discrepancy between crack and cocaine sentencing make-believe? Was Ronald Reagan completely disconnected from the crack epidemic that plundered inner-city neighborhoods in the 80s and early 90s? Indeed not.
You didn't go after the real culprits in your post, buddy.
hobronto saidNow they're in a tough position: they're stuck dealing with a whole bunch of knuckle draggers - people that they need in order to get their politicians elected, but who are toxic to the intelligent. They've created their own brain drain environment.
Okay, I'm quoting myself not because I'm a huge asshole (I mean, I think that's been well established...) but because I was astonished to see, after pulling this argument more or less out of my ass, that a fairly prominent conservative columnist basically said the same thing. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
So there.
ANYWAY... I'm kind of amused by all of the Abraham Lincoln name dropping going on. Yes, he freed the slaves. Yes, he was a Republican. But it's a little naive to think that the Republican party of 1861 is interchangeable with the party of 2008. I think we like to remember it as being a clash over slavery, but ultimately the Civil War had more to do with the battle over states' rights. Lincoln came down on the side of the Federal Gov't. That contrasts with today's conservative states' rightists.
Regardless, just as I said it's silly to assume all Republicans are racists, you sure as hell can't prove that Republicans AREN'T racists just because Lincoln is among their ranks. Pretty weak.
"Most white students have one advocacy group, the PTA, it works very well. Groups like the; NAACP, Urban League, Rainbow PUSH, Trinity UCC and most of the churches in the Black Community don't work at all. They rake in the chips and leave their constituents poor and stupid and feeling mean."
There is just much wrong with statement that I do not even know where to begin.
How do you know that African American Community churches don't work. You mean to tell me that you have been to EVERY African American church in the nation and you have witness first hand their dysfunction.
You have set on the board of the Chicago school system and witness it's failure.
You may not consider yourself a racist and I don't know you are because I don't know you.
But what you write and your opinions resonate a different meaning and tone.
The point that you make that white students have only one advocacy group which is the PTA is laughable!
Do you even understand stand why the above groups are even in existence .
Oh you left out one other important group LARAZA! (it's an advocacy group for the largest supposed minority group in this country. Latinos!
I continue to be "GOD SLAPPED" by what you post! 8-)
hobronto saidNow they're in a tough position: they're stuck dealing with a whole bunch of knuckle draggers - people that they need in order to get their politicians elected, but who are toxic to the intelligent. They've created their own brain drain environment.
Okay, I'm quoting myself not because I'm a huge asshole (I mean, I think that's been well established...) but because I was astonished to see, after pulling this argument more or less out of my ass, that a fairly prominent conservative columnist basically said the same thing. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/10brooks.html
So there.
ANYWAY... I'm kind of amused by all of the Abraham Lincoln name dropping going on. Yes, he freed the slaves. Yes, he was a Republican. But it's a little naive to think that the Republican party of 1861 is interchangeable with the party of 2008. I think we like to remember it as being a clash over slavery, but ultimately the Civil War had more to do with the battle
