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Too many queens, not enough dethroning!

Maverick75 saidToo many queens, not enough dethroning!

AMEN, Brother!

It does beg the question....did you dethrone "her"????

Kyivite saidIt does beg the question....did you dethrone "her"????

Nope, I kept my distance. I have no interest in staging a palace coup. Maybe I should have said "abdicate."

Red_Vespa said
Nope, I kept my distance. I have no interest in staging a palace coup. Maybe I should have said "abdicate."

Isn't that the same shit?

How do you go about dethroning a queen? I'm sure it is not easy, but prob would be fun to watch/take part in.

Live and let live, man.

TheIStrat saidHow do you go about dethroning a queen? I'm sure it is not easy, but prob would be fun to watch/take part in.

Pull the weave out or pick up a visibly straight guy. The loss of either makes all queens weep.

Eh, everyone has a place in the royal court. Sounds to me like you've got a little of the Diva envy goin on. Let her do her thing and enjoy the entertainment.

I guess if I didn't like the clientele in a restaurant or pub, my friends and I would feel free to go to better places. I have to say - I never thought of going to a country / western bar in the afternoon - or anytime for that matter. There is so much more to do than sit around twang bars. Let the lady enjoy herself - it sounds like she might be a regular there - and where else would she be able to hold court?

We can let these things piss us off or we can have a good laugh and enjoy the variety. Life's much more fun when we're laughing.

JUST WAY TOO MANY QUEENS!
Enough said...

OMG. the things I don't have to endure anymore. Don't remember the last time I seen one of them. Shame they don't use the real Queen Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth as a role model. But then the rest are just imitators anyway. I like to see them pull a crowed at 80.

I'd probably just ignore her and do the 'live and let live' thing. But I do wonder sometimes what goes into making a person do what they do -- or what's made that queen the attention whore she is? Or what sort of issues or insecurities does that person have?

They may or may not need de-throning, and I'm not the one to do it -- but usually there is more going on, and deeper issues than meets the eye. People act the way they do for myriad reasons, but often that is as dysfunctional as it is functional, and in those who are self centered and obnoxious there's usually more going on than just their outward behaviour.

I'm pretty sure blind people can read this thread Vespa Thanks for the extra large font yall.

Can't stand people who talk about personal matters outloud so we all get to hear... There almost if not worse then name droppers....

Those people who just can't wait to tell you what there wearing and how much it cost when you didn't even ask. The ones who when you're talking about an oil change and tire pressure somehow finds a way to slip in the fact they just bought a $300 frying pan from Williams Sonoma.. I use to date a turd like that.

Their just striving for the attentation that they do not get in the daily life I would guess.

I think there are people who don't realize there is a difference between positive attention & negative attention. I think it's all positive to them.

The funny thing to me is when i've seen these Queens out of drag they wouldn't say "boo"..

Sean_85 saidI'm pretty sure blind people can read this thread Vespa Thanks for the extra large font yall.

Not sure how large it actually appears on other screens, especially on PCs, since I use a Mac. Hope it's not like obnoxiously big. Not trying for attention, just readability. I tried Bolding the default font size, but then I got dinged for "shouting."

As I mentioned in another thread, I have vision problems, which got a bit worse after another crash a few months ago. I type by touch, then do a Preview first to check what I've written, which I can see better if larger, going back and forth from Edit to Preview several times.

Simpler for me to just Submit as is, but I can delete the sizing change first if that's annoying to others. Also lets me go back to the thread and revisit what I've Submitted. Thanks for the comment and the opportunity to mention this!

Red_Vespa said

Maverick75 saidToo many queens, not enough dethroning!

AMEN, Brother!

You are preaching to the quire here.

I used to be the Events Coordinator for a glbt youth group in Boston. I organized the Seasonal dances that the youth group holds, about 1000+ 14 to 22 yo gays lesbians etc. As awesome as it was to run them and see such a huge turnout, esp when I would make it go over capacity, the number of QUEENS was ridiculous. I don't think they understand that I actually don't care about their lives and their Gucci man purses. May God have mercy on any masculine man who has to deal with QUEENS like that everyday. And the younger they are, the worse it is. With all this Paris Hilton crap and the "Reality TV" Shows like The Hills and what not, no wonder there are so many more QUEENS these days. I've met about 3 QUEENS who changed their last names to Hilton....no shame.

I capitalized QUEENS because it represents how they are. Big, loud, and obnoxious as fuck.

I love this Forum Vespa.

Jesus, don't get so queeny.

ChangeofPace said
I capitalized QUEENS because it represents how they are. Big, loud, and obnoxious as fuck.

I love this Forum Vespa.

You're welcome! Aside from simply being an obnoxious person who intruded on others in a bar, not just me, the queen in my anecdote also reminded me of the kind of self-centered, disrespectful behavior that's far too common in our gay community.

How did the term "GST" for Gay Standard Time come into being? We created it ourselves, in guilty recognition of the fact that too many of us can't be courteous and responsible enough to even arrive on time. And here again, their Royal Highnesses the Queens are the worst.

I've "run" more drag shows than I can remember, and getting those queens to even show up in time for their own stage calls was like pulling teeth.

[Stage Manager over headset]
"Tom! Miss Crystal Chandelier isn't here yet! Hold the sound & lights!"

[Tom back]
"Isn't anybody ready back there?"

[Stage Manager]
"No! But Miss Tiffany Cartier can come out and work the crowd for a few minutes until we decide what to do."

[Tom]
"Where's she entering?"

[Stage Manager]
"Stage right, just hit her as she enters."

[Tom}
"Got it, stage right. Lemme know who's on next and where."

And after the show I'd hear every lame excuse for lateness ever concocted by the femmy mind of man. But they'd all boil down to this: "I couldn't get my lazy ass in gear, and didn't give a damn how that impacted others depending on me."

I went through that more times than I can tell you. And also had more gay dates arrive way late, or not at all, and others be no-shows at every kind of commitment & function you care to mention. There's no flake like a gay flake, and if we're honest we'll all admit that's true.

So I guess I'm predisposed to have not a whole lot of sympathy, when in a bar I see a corollary example of this all-too-common behavior. If gays want to enter mainstream society, then I think it's time to shape up and get a real life, that's something beyond "Me, Me, Me."

sounds like you were a little miffed that someone else was getting attention or had a different personality than yours.

i thought it was very interesting that you felt the need to write in large and bold font.
and i thought it was interesting that you felt you needed to think and respond on behalf of everyone else in the bar as if your were the "bar environment police" or "spokesperson" for everyone else...seems presumptuous...could we have some "pot calling the kettle 'black' " going on here ?

no biggy. best to just let it go and don't let it affect you in such a negative manner. nobody's trying to steal your thunder, I'm sure. besides, when a "queen" as you so eloquently put it, comes into a club with a strong personality - sometimes it's funny and adds a little life to the club and people get a chuckle out of it. I would hate to go to an establishment where everyone was exactly the same, all quiet, and trying to succumb to rules of one person's version of "cool"...how boring would that be.

best to you.

;)

fluxu8 saidsounds like you were a little miffed that someone else was getting attention or had a different personality than yours.

i thought it was very interesting that you felt the need to write in large and bold font...could we have some "pot calling the kettle 'black' " going on here ?

no biggy. best to just let it go and don't let it affect you in such a negative manner.

best to you.

;)

You evidently haven't read the whole thread, or chose to ignore it. My vision is poor, as I wrote above, and have mentioned that in other threads. I've tried several tactics with RJ fonts to help me see the text I write better. I'm reluctant to use Apple assistive methods because the trade-off is clumsier use.

And no, I'm not interested in attention in a bar, merely the opportunity to enjoy my drink in peace. A sentiment that the majority of the others present shared with me. Since they were there, and you weren't.

sorry to have upset you. that was not my intent. and sorry about your eyesight.

what I should have asked is :
do you find yourself getting easily frustrated when others do not think or express themselves like you?

in addition, maybe you should stay home with a group of special friends and have your drinks in quiet.

and you are correct. I was not there so clearly I can not nor should not speak for anyone else in any case. I have , however, been in a club when such a scenario happened and ...well...I just, smiled, laughed and didn't give it a second thought. But that's just me, and again...I wasn't there.

just a thought.

no harm done.


best to you.

fluxu8 saidsorry to have upset you. that was not my intent. and sorry about your eyesight.

what I should have asked is :
do you find yourself getting easily frustrated when others do not think or express themselves like you?

in addition, maybe you should stay home with a group of special friends and have your drinks in quiet.

just a thought.

no harm done.


best to you.

Thanks for your gracious & understanding reply regarding my eyesight. I actually think (at least hope) that I'm rather laissez-faire in my approach to others. And my friends all tell me that I am, so I don't think I'll need to seek quiet retreats in which to drink with them.

But I do have my pet peeves, and obnoxious gay queens are near the top of the list (Republican lawyers perennially score equally high). And when personally challenged I will respond in kind, though the Army taught me to make sure I have a good target before I fire. My patience, and aim, are rather good.

But online I usually see no need for patience, so I fire at will, though still mindful of my aim. And frustration is not a word in my vocabulary, because I rarely lose, rarely fail. I set modest goals for my modest abilities, and I meet them.

A Queen's throne is her heels. Give me a saw and I will dethrone her for you.

Ikaros saidLive and let live, man.

For real...

Breath.
Chill.

Red_Vespa said

Sean_85 saidI'm pretty sure blind people can read this thread Vespa Thanks for the extra large font yall.

Not sure how large it actually appears on other screens, especially on PCs, since I use a Mac. Hope it's not like obnoxiously big. Not trying for attention, just readability. I tried Bolding the default font size, but then I got dinged for "shouting."

As I mentioned in another thread, I have vision problems, which got a bit worse after another crash a few months ago. I type by touch, then do a Preview first to check what I've written, which I can see better if larger, going back and forth from Edit to Preview several times.

Simpler for me to just Submit as is, but I can delete the sizing change first if that's annoying to others. Also lets me go back to the thread and revisit what I've Submitted. Thanks for the comment and the opportunity to mention this!

No worries man, I was just teasin

Pattison saidOMG. the things I don't have to endure anymore. Don't remember the last time I seen one of them. Shame they don't use the real Queen Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth as a role model. But then the rest are just imitators anyway. I like to see them pull a crowed at 80.

I hope you mean Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, not the original . She wouldn't be good role model with the number of people executed,the subterfuge/plotting & torture

kew1 said

Pattison saidOMG. the things I don't have to endure anymore. Don't remember the last time I seen one of them. Shame they don't use the real Queen Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth as a role model. But then the rest are just imitators anyway. I like to see them pull a crowed at 80.

I hope you mean Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, not the original . She wouldn't be good role model with the number of people executed,the subterfuge/plotting & torture

Indeed it is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, One was Referring to, and not the Virgin Queen. But Elizabeth I had her achievements. She was a women in power, when many were not.

Those troublesome catholics. Could not get over England was no longer a Catholic country, but a protestant one. Catholics had been burning protestants long before she was even born, and if it was not for her father Henry VIII becoming a protestant and thus turning England into a protestant land. Oz would not of become the great Protestant southern land it was to become. We would not be a free spirit we are, as we would of been under the dictatorship, of Vatican City. Many Catholics have come to this protestant land, to have a life, they never would of had in their catholic home.

Elizabeth I displayed strength of purpose and prudence as a queen. Strong willed and imperious like her father Henry VIII, but unlike him fair, to devoted servants. Throughout her 45 year reign Elizabeth showed considerable political acumen in defying a predominantly catholic Europe intent on overturning the protestant faith. History also tell us of The Armada in 1588 I think. What an achievement, what a women. But yes it was Elizabeth II One was referring too.

Oh One had catholasisem forced on to me as a child, and as soon as I could do something about that I did.

Just get over it!! Yes, queens can be a bit much at times, but they are usually fun to watch and listen to! I have had my queen moments and did not care what all the little uptight fags thought! People are people!

DanteCA saidA Queen's throne is her heels. Give me a saw and I will dethrone her for you.

Wonderfully said!

Pattison saidif it was not for her father Henry VIII becoming a protestant and thus turning England into a protestant land.

Actually Henry never considered himself a Protestant, and thought European Protestants were heretics and banned them from England. Through convoluted logic he believed himself and the English people still part of the Catholic Church (the word then meaning universal and all-embracing, not exclusively the church based in Rome as we do today).

But many around Henry saw the opportunity to advance genuine Protestant goals, and Protestants did make some doctrinal inroads, especially towards the end of his reign. The real Protestant influence came when his young son Edward VI came to the throne, in whose reign the Book of Common Prayer was published, defining the break with Rome in essential theological terms.

That development was ruthlessly reversed when his older sister Mary succeeded him (the "Bloody Mary" of cocktail fame), who reestablished strict doctrinal and leadership ties to the church in Rome under the Pope. But Mary died after only a few years, and her younger sister Elizabeth became the last of the Tudor monarchs. She made England officially Protestant once and for all.

Red_Vespa said

Pattison saidif it was not for her father Henry VIII becoming a protestant and thus turning England into a protestant land.

Actually Henry never considered himself a Protestant, and thought European Protestants were heretics and banned them from England. Through convoluted logic he believed himself and the English people still part of the Catholic Church (the word then meaning universal and all-embracing, not exclusively the church based in Rome as we do today).

But many around Henry saw the opportunity to advance genuine Protestant goals, and Protestants did make some doctrinal inroads, especially towards the end of his reign. The real Protestant influence came when his young son Edward VI came to the throne, in whose reign the Book of Common Prayer was published, defining the break with Rome in essential theological terms.

That development was ruthlessly reversed when his older sister Mary succeeded him (the "Bloody Mary" of cocktail fame), who reestablished strict doctrinal and leadership ties to the church in Rome under the Pope. But Mary died after only a few years, and her younger sister Elizabeth became the last of the Tudor monarchs. She made England officially Protestant once and for all.

There's is some truth in your words.

In the early years of his reign Henry pursued private pleasures and left the government in the capable hands of chancellor Wolsey, However, in 1529, when the letter failed to secure from the pope the King's divorce from Catherine of Aragon, he was charged with treason.

In 1534 Henry declared himself Supreme Head of the English church and broke off relations with Rome ( Thanks mate).. Excommunicated by the Pope, Henry Become increasingly autocratic and set about consolidating the spiritual and political independence of England from Rome
Thank Henry, because if it was not for your deeds. Oz would not of become the Great Sothern land it did, as it would of been under the dictatorship of Vatican City. But we have as head of State Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She allows us independence, something Vatican City still tries to control, thanks mate.

Yes after Henry's death. His Daughter from his first wife Catherine of Aragon, did become Marry I, a Catholic took over the top job. Yes she is known as bloody Marry and a mixed drink is around of the same name, but I would not call this mixed drink a cocktail.


Marry was like her mother, a fervent Catholic, she suffered years of humiliation after her parents divorce. and was denied the succession by her brother Edward VI who left the throne to the protestant Lady Jane Grey in 1553. However a few days into Jane's reign, Mary advanced on London and claimed the throne. Once crowned, Mary burned numerous protestants at the stake for heresy, replaced protestant legislation and restored papal supremacy in England. However her marriage to the catholic Philip of Spain failed to produce an heir and marry died embittered in 1558.

Then came the Virgin Queen Elisabeth I, who also executed a half sister Marry Queen of Scott's, who was another catholic, who was to become Queen of France for a very short time but her husband the Kind died, shortly after becoming King of France. Marry was then returned to Scotland.

After Elizabeth I death England and Scotland become united, under the Stewart's, Elizabeth I was the last Tudor.

Elizabeth I's heir was James VI of Scotland, Also became James I of England. who was the Great, great grandson of Henry VIII's Sister Margaret Tudor, wife of James IV.

The next two Stuarts Kings Charles I and his son Charles II Though outwardly Protestant tolerated catholics.

James I a raving bisexual. But when James ascended the English thrown he had already been king of of Scotland for 36 years. James also ordered a new translation of the Bible and ahead of his time, wrote a Counterblast to Tobacco, a well argued attack on smocking.


Now after James I death we had Charles I, the second son of James I becomes King of England. 1642-49 England has a Civil war.
1649 Charles is tried and executed by parliament. Although technically Kind after the execution of his father Charles I in 1649 Charles II did not ascend the throne until the Restoration of the Monarchy in 1600. During this time, England was a republic run by puritans. Puritans were to become the founding forefathers of America.

In 1685 they say Charles converted to Catholicism on his death bed,convenient. But I don't feel this to be true.

Then we get James II. The second son of Charles I. James returned to England on Charles II's restoration in 1660. James converted to catholicism in the late 1660s led to his removal from high office, an attempt by parliament to exclude him from the succession. The attempt failed, and on his brothers death in 1685, James made it clear that he intended to restore catholicism.

So via monarchy, we have had gays bi's and women in power, way before today. Where some women find it hard to get past the glass ceiling. gays were heads of state, and out, and so were the bi's. Albeit James I was despised for his vile sexual tenderises and for the fact he used his position, to force himself on many str8 men.

But the queens of today, the gay ones. Are the more visible ones of the gay community, and as we see here. They are shunned by many gays, and do a lot of damage for the image of the homosexual community, out in the real world.

That has to be the most incoherent retelling of British history I have ever read. But what REALLY bothers me is saying that a "Bloody Mary" is not a cocktail.

Challenge me on points of history if you must, I merely taught it for years in college. But when it comes to matters of mixed drinks, well, that hits too close to home.

Red_Vespa saidThat has to be the most incoherent retelling of British history I have ever read. But what REALLY bothers me is saying that a "Bloody Mary" is not a cocktail.

Challenge me on points of history if you must, I merely taught it for years in college. But when it comes to matters of mixed drinks, well, that hits too close to home.

Oh should one of put more dates in it to of helped you out?

I could of looked them up. Incoherent you may find it! But does not mean it is incorrect. On is also talking of a time many hundred years ago, and tried not to ramble on to much. So one did try to keep it short, thus detail was left out.

History also teaches us, that history teachers in the past, and I'm sure present, have a lot to answer to. Just as a Christain teachers view in the creation of the universe, may differ from that of a scientist. A democrat teachers veiw, may well be diffrent veiw to history, to a teacher who has no interest in politics, thus less bi est.

But then some people are never happy no-matter what, and One is only able to please one person a day, seems today was not your day, and tomorrow is not looking good either. Oh sorry for not writting in American English.

Also forgive me for my forthrightness. Funny in the days of Wallis Simpson, an American seemed very straightforward, and crass to the pommies. But I'm sure us Aussies seem to straightforward to the Americans.

Food for thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder#Relationships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

Furthermore, trying to dethrone a queen would only feed their attention seeking behavior.

Red_Vespa said

fluxu8 saidsorry to have upset you. that was not my intent. and sorry about your eyesight.

what I should have asked is :
do you find yourself getting easily frustrated when others do not think or express themselves like you?

in addition, maybe you should stay home with a group of special friends and have your drinks in quiet.

just a thought.

no harm done.


best to you.

Thanks for your gracious & understanding reply regarding my eyesight. I actually think (at least hope) that I'm rather laissez-faire in my approach to others. And my friends all tell me that I am, so I don't think I'll need to seek quiet retreats in which to drink with them.

But I do have my pet peeves, and obnoxious gay queens are near the top of the list (Republican lawyers perennially score equally high). And when personally challenged I will respond in kind, though the Army taught me to make sure I have a good target before I fire. My patience, and aim, are rather good.

But online I usually see no need for patience, so I fire at will, though still mindful of my aim. And frustration is not a word in my vocabulary, because I rarely lose, rarely fail. I set modest goals for my modest abilities, and I meet them.

Interesting......

Thanks for the portrayal of the kind of person you are ....sounds kind of scary, but hey, you have just as much of a right to exist and be "you" just like everyone else.
Cool.

I am also curious...when you say "obnoxious queens"...how do you define obnoxious queens? I gather from you comments that these are people who annoy you. What exactly is it about them that annoys you? Is it the volume of the voice? Is it a way of expression that doesn't match yours? Is it a "look"? Is it the combination of nouns, verbs, pronouns, etc. they use? I'm just curious what it is that makes you refer to others as obnoxious queens or annoying people. Do you feel that this public establishment should be fit specifically to your particular taste and the volume level of everyone should be within your particular realm of acceptable? Should the people that enter this public establishment conform to what you determine is acceptable? Is someone forcing you to go to this establishment?
I'm just curious.