Nobel Peace Prize winner and a homophobe

  • europejczyk

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    Mar 04, 2013 1:31 PM GMT
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/03/03/walesa-poland-anti-gay/1959773/

    I was extremely shocked when I saw it on TV, I couldn't believe that our national hero, the most recognisable Pole is so... stupid. As the Polish I'm really dissapointed. As homosexual I'm so pissed off icon_evil.gif
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 04, 2013 1:41 PM GMT
    Sad to read this. He's an example of his generation which will die off soon. Sad to have his career marred by such intolerant and hateful rhetoric. He's a pathetic relic now, and his courage stands in the cold shadow of his ignorance. A shame.
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    Mar 04, 2013 2:20 PM GMT
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa#Homosexuality[/url]
    As part of the same interview in 2012, he that if his son were a homosexual he would pray for him to stop going down the wrong road.[63]

    At a political campaign rally in 2000 he said "I believe those people need medical treatment", continuing with "Imagine if all people were like that. We wouldn't have any descendants." [64]

    On 1 March 2013 he said in a television interview, when asked about gay people, "they have to know that they are a minority and adjust to smaller things, and not rise to the greatest heights”.[65] He concluded that gay politicians, if elected, should be seated "behind a wall".
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    Mar 04, 2013 2:21 PM GMT
    Blech, Walesa.
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    Mar 04, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    dayumm saidBlech, Walesa.


    Funny and it might even translate as is.
  • O5vx

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    Mar 04, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
    When are they going to give him some gym membership, lol he looks like he was going to bursticon_smile.gif
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    Mar 04, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    wow, that's sad that a man like that could be given such an honor.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 04, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    regeneret223 saidwow, that's sad that a man like that could be given such an honor.

    He wasn't given anything. He earned it. But yes, it is sad to see him be so small. Goes to show sometimes small men can achieve great heights if they're in the right place at the right time. I think he was a very brave man who actually wasn't very smart. He's never been very satisfactory as a leader since the revolution.
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    Mar 04, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    regeneret223 saidwow, that's sad that a man like that could be given such an honor.

    He wasn't given anything. He earned it. But yes, it is sad to see him be so small. Goes to show sometimes small men can achieve great heights if they're in the right place at the right time. I think he was a very brave man who actually wasn't very smart. He's never been very satisfactory as a leader since the revolution.

    Agreed, his time as a government leader was not very successful. Some people inspire, some people administer. The same person is frequently unable to do both.

    And don't forget he was strongly aligned with the Catholic Church, which is a non-democratic theocracy. Difficult to embrace democratic ideals of social equality when you pay homage to a patriarchal dictatorship, where even women have no authority.

    The real issue for Walesa in opposing the Communists was their hostility to the Catholic Church, and their subservience to a foreign power, the Soviet Union. But he actually prefers the model of autocratic rule that existed in Poland long before Communism, and is mirrored in the Catholic Church. True Democracy as understood in the West has never been what he seeks.
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    Mar 04, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Destinharbor said
    regeneret223 saidwow, that's sad that a man like that could be given such an honor.

    He wasn't given anything. He earned it. But yes, it is sad to see him be so small. Goes to show sometimes small men can achieve great heights if they're in the right place at the right time. I think he was a very brave man who actually wasn't very smart. He's never been very satisfactory as a leader since the revolution.

    Agreed, his time as a government leader was not very successful. Some people inspire, some people administer. The same person is frequently unable to do both.

    And don't forget he was strongly aligned with the Catholic Church, which is a non-democratic theocracy. Difficult to embrace democratic ideals of social equality when you pay homage to a patriarchal dictatorship, where even women have no authority.

    The real issue for Walesa in opposing the Communists was their hostility to the Catholic Church, and their subservience to a foreign power, the Soviet Union. But he actually prefers the model of autocratic rule that existed in Poland long before Communism, and is mirrored in the Catholic Church. True Democracy as understood in the West has never been what he seeks.


    I think that's an accurate analysis, that would also apply to many polish of his generation (they do love their popes in Poland icon_lol.gif ).
    Unfortunately I think his views on homosexuality, are also shared by many in Poland, not just the older generations.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 04, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    "and that as a minority they need to "adjust to smaller things" in society."

    Perhaps he was referring to his little dick icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 04, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    We will soon see him outed with his young "baggage carrying boy".
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    Mar 04, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
    There was another African lady who won Noble Peace prize and has a very anti gay view.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-57400436-503543/nobel-peace-prize-winner-defends-anti-gay-laws/

    Nothing surprising considering those Eastern European countries are quite homophobic. I really hope EU will consider such aspects before allowing any of those homophobic countries to be part of EU.
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    Mar 04, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    I blame the people of Sodom and Gabborah (sp) God had to smite ya for the damn creepy hedonistic free for all lusting!

    They ruined it for rest of us decent folks!


    Boooo!
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    Mar 04, 2013 9:51 PM GMT
    Well this is probably the only Nobel Prize you don't have to go to school to get it.
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    Mar 04, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    Why don't the Nobel Peace Prize judges vet these people more carefully?
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    Mar 04, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    mileshelvetica saidWhy don't the Nobel Peace Prize judges vet these people more carefully?

    Well they aren't really famous before the prize and hence what they say is hardly publicized as much as after they have got the prize.
    Still I think there should be some kind of procedure for revoking Nobel Prizes.
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    Mar 04, 2013 10:07 PM GMT
    I was surprised to learn Robert Frost was a rabid homophobe. Here's a guy who can write some of the world's most beautiful poetry and yet this shit is in him. Also with Julia Child, a homophobe and a moose of a woman.
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    Mar 04, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
    Taking into account he's Polish makes it less surprising. The country should cut itself from the Church it would help it a lot.
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    Mar 04, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
    Bharatiya said
    mileshelvetica saidWhy don't the Nobel Peace Prize judges vet these people more carefully?

    Well they aren't really famous before the prize and hence what they say is hardly publicized as much as after they have got the prize.
    Still I think there should be some kind of procedure for revoking Nobel Prizes.

    Well, if we really were to be revoking Noel Prizes let's start with Fritz Haber. He comes from Wroclaw (now part of Poland too), got a Nobel prize in Chemistry for syntesis of development for synthesizing ammonia. He also invented Zyklon-B, (through he was Jewish) and supervised the use of chlorine gas, i.e. near Ypres. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Haber#World_War_I).
    Walesa at least had not killed anybody yet.
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    Mar 04, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    The Noble Peace Prize is nothing but a bunch of bs. Thought everyone knew that! Specially after Obama got his. Come on.
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    Mar 05, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    blackhawksfan saidWe will soon see him outed with his young "baggage carrying boy".


    Yep but hope he is out and dead icon_twisted.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 2:27 AM GMT
    It's obvious that we cannot rely or judge a person by the awards he had received!

    For ex: A man who is against nuclear warheads can be awarded Nobel prize, but it doesn't mean that he is against all evil things!, He may be bad with his family or a little racist or even he may be Homophobic too...

    There are many good people in the world who are often unnoticeable and needed to be recognized...but many of those good people just do service and they don't mind for attention...

    For ex: A noteworthy Indian scientist 'Yellapragada Subbarao' who worked in Harward, He deserve Nobel prize, but he didn't get because no one noticed him, he never patent any of his discoveries, he never promoted his own interests, he not even participated in interviews...Sadly not even 1 in 10,000 Indians knows about him & yet everyone of us have used his medicines more than once in our lifetime.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellapragada_Subbarao

    My point is that, awarding someone a Nobel peace prize doesn't tell us to expect every good quality we are looking for in them.

    So, let him bash on us gays, let him speak whatever he wants to speak...but at the end only 'Truth' wins.