What kind of RESIDENCES are these?

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    Mar 04, 2013 6:49 PM GMT
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    Mar 04, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    I think townhouse is disqualified if this is the front of the building. I'm inclined to say apartments that might be called walk-ups.
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    Mar 04, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
    At first glance they might be brownstones, a class of NYC townhouse. But the fire escapes in front indicate there are individual apartments on each floor. Plus a classic brownstone more typically has a raised front entrance with a stone staircase from the sidewalk. This picture isn't revealing of that detail. The structure on the left is too large for a typical brownstone. These are small apartment buildings.
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    Mar 04, 2013 7:43 PM GMT
    Aristoshark is correct.

    Apartment building on the left which possibly has a small elevator but is more likely a walkup given the location.

    Brownstone which was originally a single family and then subdivided, probably during the Depression, into apartments. The brownstone as opposed to the limestone facade, proximity to an apartment building instead of an adjacent brownstone or prewar doorman building, and neighborhood suggest that it never had an elevator.

    The apartments in the apartment building to the left are probably railroad flats, meaning you have to walk from one room to get to the other, which is awkward if you have more than one bedroom as some might.

    The units in the brownstone to the right are probably a mix of one bedroom apartments and studios, each occupying half a floor, as spacious, lofty floor through (front-to-back) units with one or two bedrooms or duplexes wouldn't have been considered cost efficient at the time of the conversion.

    In either case, both buildings are probably rentals where the landlords spend a couple thousand dollars on a cheap renovation whenever a tenant vacates (example: retiling the bathroom in $10sf squares of 1'x1' carrera marble) and then overinflate the bill to defraud the rent stabilization board into raising the rent by the most maximum percentage.
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    Mar 04, 2013 8:05 PM GMT
    I'm making it a five-story apartment building where the owner has two of the floors to himself for the party. Or, are there brownstones like that anywhere in Hell's Kitchen?
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    Mar 04, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
    brown·stone audio (brounstn) KEY

    NOUN:

    A brownish-red sandstone used as a building material.
    A house built or faced with brownish-red sandstone.


    That building on the left is made of brick ... not sure about the right
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    Mar 05, 2013 12:30 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI'm making it a five-story apartment building where the owner has two of the floors to himself for the party. Or, are there brownstones like that anywhere in Hell's Kitchen?

    This would make sense for the brownstone on the right - a tenement owner wouldn't own two floors in the building on the left for himself. Particularly given the fire escapes (unusual for a brownstone), if there were only one duplex in the entire brownstone it would be the ground and parlor floors. Kitchen would be in the ground floor and the unit would have a backyard rife with drug party possibility, the vestibule under the brownstone steps just off that ground floor would be ideal for roofie-rape. Likely, historically, this was a single family home built in the late 19th century, subdivided into half floor apartments in the depression, and possibly repurchased as a live-in investment property with rental income in the early '90s with those two bottom floors reconfigured as a duplex. I find that scenario far more likely than it being converted to coop. In REALITY it's still probably a rental building with half floor apartments owned by an absentee landlord/consortium run by a managing agent. Oftentimes rental buildings stay rental because of rent stabilized tenants whose lower rents depress the value of the property for resale - which is why landlords often fudge the numbers when renovating, if renovations can be presented as extensive enough to warrant enough of a rental increase as to make for a more attractive balance sheet, i.e. making the building appear more profitable on paper, after every vacancy. For purposes of your story, the owner can live in the ground floor/parlor unit and have a mixed bag of tenants - yuppies alongside longtime ethnic tenants paying next to nothing - could make for some great dramatic tension. The backstory might make sense since the owner is looking at the home as a long term residence with uninterrupted rental income with full occupancy as opposed to a building he's trying to empty and flip.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
    The 6-story, 24,848-sq-ft, 40-unit apartment building was built in 1920. It last sold in 1998 for $3,360,000 with about $7,000,000 in mortgages taken out on it since then. It sits on a 5,723 sq ft lot and has an elevator.

    The other is a 5-story, 17-unit prewar walk up. The 1/1's rent for about $2,000/month.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:56 AM GMT
    The only books I've read recently that are set in Hells Kitchen, oddly enough, deal a lot with drug- and sex-ridden parties. Hey, the kindle version was only two bucks.

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    The previous ones, as far as I recall, were some evangelical tripe that my mom had on the shelf - cheesy confessionals by kids saying how THE DEVIL used to control their lives until they met the heroic young preacher and had a lobotomy changed. Oddly enough, now that I think about it, the two genres may not be entirely incompatible.
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:00 AM GMT
    theantijock saidThe 6-story, 24,848-sq-ft, 40-unit apartment building was built in 1920. It last sold in 1998 for $3,360,000 with about $7,000,000 in mortgages taken out on it since then. It sits on a 5,723 sq ft lot and has an elevator.

    The other is a 5-story, 17-unit prewar walk up. The 1/1's rent for about $2,000/month.


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    Mar 05, 2013 6:07 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    theantijock saidThe 6-story, 24,848-sq-ft, 40-unit apartment building was built in 1920. It last sold in 1998 for $3,360,000 with about $7,000,000 in mortgages taken out on it since then. It sits on a 5,723 sq ft lot and has an elevator.

    The other is a 5-story, 17-unit prewar walk up. The 1/1's rent for about $2,000/month.


    Mmmmm, I like a man who is thorough. Good job!


    and that was just with a few touchpad taps on my laptop. you should see what i can do when i click a mouse on the desktop. I never leave a job unfinished.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:57 PM GMT
    You're welcome, Vic!
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    Mar 05, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
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    and that was just with a few touchpad taps on my laptop. you should see what i can do when i click a mouse on the desktop. I never leave a job unfinished.

    What street are these buildings on? Looks like west 40s somewhere?


    haha. sneaky gays. i'm somewhat familiar with the area as a college friend lived in Hells Kitchen back in the 70s plus some cousins own an office building nearby and one of my oldest friends works down in Times Sq. And I love walking so I've walked a lot around there and then up to the park and museums.

    but, and here's the sneaky part, vic's got the streets, just not the cross streets, on the lower right corner of his street view. 51st. Clinton area. i'm pretty good at recognizing patterns so it happened that right were i dropped little google map guy was right in front of his apartments on my first try. I didn't have to move him one bit. so i googled the address for instant info.
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    Mar 05, 2013 9:43 PM GMT
    I ended up writing that he was invited to a party at a brownstone off W. 51st. No mention of Hell's Kitchen, etc. If there are no brownstone multi-level homes near W. 51st, then imagine one. ;-)