Sinkhole in Seffner Florida

  • SinfulWays

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    Mar 05, 2013 2:37 AM GMT
    I just had a debate with a few friends about this. It was split 50/50... My opinion is that the authorities could have retrieved the body if they Really wanted to. If that guy was a county commissioner or a MOVER & SHAKER in my community, they would have used much more EFFORT. But since this guy was a regular hard working family guy... They just left him there. They already had the cranes at the scene. They could have had a special team lowered into the hole with their special equipment and got his body.. Now that area will be forever stigmatized... Why do we pay taxes!!! HELLO!!!!!!!
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    Mar 05, 2013 2:47 AM GMT
    If they dug up the body, they'd send the bill to the family, which is already suffering financially - as well as emotionally - over this issue.
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    Mar 05, 2013 2:55 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidIf they dug up the body, they'd send the bill to the family, which is already suffering financially - as well as emotionally - over this issue.

    So is their choice the lesser of two evils? if they would have got the body and charged the family... At Least the fam would have closure with having a decent burial, money is money... But the stigma that is left for that fam is that their loved one is there and not much was done to get the body when they could have
  • Webster666

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    Mar 05, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    It's not as if the ground is now stable, and all they have to do is jump in and dig the guy's body out of there.
    The sinkhole is growing in size.

    I do think that the body should be recovered.
    But, I don't know of any safe way to do it.

    Incredible story.
    I read that those sinkholes are very common, in Florida.
  • SinfulWays

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    Mar 05, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidIt's not as if the ground is now stable, and all they have to do is jump in and dig the guy's body out of there.
    The sinkhole is growing in size.

    I do think that the body should be recovered.
    But, I don't know of any safe way to do it.

    Incredible story.
    I read that those sinkholes are very common, in Florida.

    Maybe it is just the way I think... But they do rescue miners. I just see that their efforts were sub standard. Money plays into this big time...
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    Mar 05, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
    SinfulWays said
    paulflexes saidIf they dug up the body, they'd send the bill to the family, which is already suffering financially - as well as emotionally - over this issue.

    So is their choice the lesser of two evils?
    Yes.

    Either way, a family member is gone. Why burden the rest of the family for "closure" when the sinkhole completed the "closure" for them?
  • SinfulWays

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    Mar 05, 2013 4:12 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    SinfulWays said
    paulflexes saidIf they dug up the body, they'd send the bill to the family, which is already suffering financially - as well as emotionally - over this issue.

    So is their choice the lesser of two evils?
    Yes.

    Either way, a family member is gone. Why burden the rest of the family for "closure" when the sinkhole completed the "closure" for them?

    Look! All I am saying is that not enough was done. Just like the nurse that would not give cpr to an elderly person in an assisted living place in Cali. I thought cpr was one of the requirements for becomming a nurse. But once money and corporate interest comes into play... Are we that desensitized? I'm not saying that you are wrong, it is just my opinion that they could have done more.
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    Mar 05, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    I've been thinking the same thing. They risk everything to rescue coal miners, but I don't see that enough was done to find this guy. And who says he was killed? His brother said he heard him screaming for help. And they just left him there? WTF? Someone could have been lower from a cable attached to that very same crane and lowered into the hole. It's only 60 feet deep which really isn't deep at all.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:03 AM GMT
    Every and any person in any field where rescue assistance is given (EMT's, cops, firefighters etc), the absolute FIRST rule you're taught is you can only give assistance when and if and only IF your own safety is not compromised. And they stress this a lot. And not in the "but you'll be a hero if you do anyway and we'll all praise you for it so even if you feel you're not safe go for it once in a while!" but in the you'll be fucked over and probably fired if you don't die first way.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI've been thinking the same thing. They risk everything to rescue coal miners, but I don't see that enough was done to find this guy. And who says he was killed? His brother said he heard him screaming for help. And they just left him there? WTF? Someone could have been lower from a cable attached to that very same crane and lowered into the hole. It's only 60 feet deep which really isn't deep at all.


    Looking for live miners and retrieving a dead body are two different things. I am sure you can see the difference.

    If you have ever seen a sinkhole up close, you'll see that the area around them is not stable. It is very risky to set up heavy machinery and equipment near a sinkhole because you don't know how large it can expand and how rapidly it will expand.

    Why risk the lives of other people to retrieve a dead body. If there was definitive proof the man was alive, that is a different story. It was a tragedy, but fruitlessly injuring or killing others will not help the deceased.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:06 AM GMT
    SinfulWays said
    paulflexes said
    SinfulWays said
    paulflexes saidIf they dug up the body, they'd send the bill to the family, which is already suffering financially - as well as emotionally - over this issue.

    So is their choice the lesser of two evils?
    Yes.

    Either way, a family member is gone. Why burden the rest of the family for "closure" when the sinkhole completed the "closure" for them?

    Look! All I am saying is that not enough was done. Just like the nurse that would not give cpr to an elderly person in an assisted living place in Cali. I thought cpr was one of the requirements for becomming a nurse. But once money and corporate interest comes into play... Are we that desensitized? I'm not saying that you are wrong, it is just my opinion that they could have done more.
    Yes, money and corporate interest are more important than human life.

    This not my opinion. It is fact...according to corporate interest.
  • Montague

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    Mar 05, 2013 5:13 AM GMT
    Back story?
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:16 AM GMT
    Montague saidBack story?
    Google it. I've been following it since day one. It's heartbreaking and highly unusual.
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:42 AM GMT
    FLgator said

    Looking for live miners and retrieving a dead body are two different things. I am sure you can see the difference.


    Yes, I do see the difference. But his brother said he heard him screaming for help. Plus, even if screams had not been heard, I think we should try everything to rescue someone who might be alive.

    FLgator said
    It is very risky to set up heavy machinery and equipment near a sinkhole because you don't know how large it can expand and how rapidly it will expand.


    But they already have the equipment set up to tear down the house. Why not suspend someone from a cable attached to the crane that's already there?

  • SinfulWays

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    Mar 05, 2013 5:58 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    FLgator said

    Looking for live miners and retrieving a dead body are two different things. I am sure you can see the difference.


    Yes, I do see the difference. But his brother said he heard him screaming for help. Plus, even if scream had not been heard, I think we should try everything to rescue someone who might be alive.

    FLgator said
    It is very risky to set up heavy machinery and equipment near a sinkhole because you don't know how large it can expand and how rapidly it will expand.


    But they already have the equipment set up to tear down the house. Why not suspend someone from a cable attached to the crane that's already there?


    Yes, we have been spoon fed a plethora of rescue shows on many cable shows and the majority of those stories end up favorable. I have yet to see a show where they say " oh well, nothing we can do" then fill the hole up with concrete and call it a day... Do me a favor. Listen to the brothers Full testimony.