Tim Tebow Debacle A Culture War Victory...

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 05, 2013 4:07 AM GMT
    http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2013/03/04/op-ed-why-tim-tebow-debacle-was-culture-war-victory
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    I love you, Todd.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 05, 2013 10:30 AM GMT
    Ita annoying that the opinion of a 26 yo athlete has such an importance, in a normal inteligent world ,his role would be to play his sport the best he can .his opinions about religion politics and cooking chikens shouldent matter.
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    Mar 05, 2013 11:22 AM GMT
    I do agree that this was a debacle - a sudden and ignominious failure - but practically everything that Tebow's involved in ends up being a debacle. Nowadays, Tebow's escapades rarely shed a positive light on his character, which tends to happen when you choose to hide your head under the blanket of religious ignorance.
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    Mar 05, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
    ASHDOD saidIta annoying that the opinion of a 26 yo athlete has such an importance, in a normal inteligent world ,his role would be to play his sport the best he can .his opinions about religion politics and cooking chikens shouldent matter.


    Exactly.
  • DanOmatic

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    Mar 05, 2013 12:27 PM GMT
    I think the issue with Tebow is that he made himself such a spectacle with his over-the-top, on-the-field religiosity and eye black with biblical references--and in doing so became the darling of the religious nuts and an exemplar of Christian "superiority". To the extent that any criticism about his lackluster NFL play is shouted down by his fans as an example of how America hates Christians.

    I have a hunch that Tebow might still grow up and realize that Jesus doesn't give a shit about football or the NFL or the outcome of any stupid game. As it is, he is still pretty infantile.
  • WhoDey

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    Mar 05, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
    There is a new thread about Tebow every week
  • Musicman91

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    Mar 05, 2013 4:54 PM GMT
    Who is Tim Tebow??
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    I do not think that he pulled out because of Jeffress' anti-gay stance. I think it has more to do with his anti-catholic and anti-muslim stances. Tebow hopefully has realized that there are certain attitudes and behaviors that do not belong associated with any religion. And considering the world we live in and the ever increasing melting-pot we have become condoning bigotry just doesn't fly anymore for most Americans.

    I mean, seriously, do you really think it was for us that he backed out?
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    Mar 05, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    Musicman91 saidWho is Tim Tebow??
    Where have you been all this timeicon_question.gif
  • MadeinMich

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    Mar 05, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    Will everyone please stop making these derogatory statements about my husband, please ! ! !
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:30 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidI love you, Todd.



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    Mar 05, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    Musicman91 saidWho is Tim Tebow??


    A US Footballer who hasn't come out of the closet yet. He's likely on the dl dating Justin Bieber.
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    credo saidTebow's escapades rarely shed a positive light on his character, which tends to happen when you choose to hide your head under the blanket of religious ignorance.


    Actually, Tim Tebow's escapades almost ALWAYS reveal someone of amazing character. Please cite a single instance in which Tebow revealed a lack of character? As for him hiding his head under the blanket of religious ignorance, Tim Tebow canceled this appearance by saying "due to new information that has been brought to my attention" and refused to align himself with the extremist views of this pastor. I wouldn't call that hiding, I'd call it taking a stand against it and doing the right thing.
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    Just slipping this reminder in. The campfire weekend led by the ex-gay counseling advocate is just 4 days away!

    http://wildfireweekend.com/
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    Mar 05, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Actually, Todd, the Bible has some rude things to say about people who publicly flaunt their piety. Very rude things.



    I don't care what the bible says, no one is going to convince me that Tim Tebow isn't a man of strong character and probably one of the most positive role models among sports figures that I can remember. I get that there are many Tebow haters. Oh well icon_cry.gif
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Aristoshark said
    Actually, Todd, the Bible has some rude things to say about people who publicly flaunt their piety. Very rude things.



    I don't care what the bible says, no one is going to convince me that Tim Tebow isn't a man of strong character and probably one of the most positive role models among sports figures that I can remember. I get that there are many Tebow haters. Oh well icon_cry.gif

    And yet you don't see the irony. Well, you seldom do.



    Nope, guess it went right over my head.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
    Meh. I doubt this does much for the advancement of gay rights. Tim Tebow is so overrated. It was probably a calculated decision because he can't be seen involved in anyone too far right because of his endorsements and other public appearances.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidMeh. I doubt this does much for the advancement of gay rights. Tim Tebow is so overrated. It was probably a calculated decision because he can't be seen involved in anyone too far right because of his endorsements and other public appearances.


    What I don't get is WHY does it have to have anything whatsoever to do with GAY anything? His handlers booked him for a speaking engagement....Some liberals got their panties in a wad and a great big brouhaha ensued....Tim Tebow got wind of it and learned more about the church and his pastor...and he cancelled. Obviously, and for good reason, Tim Tebow doesn't want or need any more publicity surrounding him than he already has. "Gay Rights" had little, if anything, to do with it.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidWhat I don't get is WHY does it have to have anything whatsoever to do with GAY anything? His handlers booked him for a speaking engagement....Some liberals got their panties in a wad and a great big brouhaha ensued....Tim Tebow got wind of it and learned more about the church and his pastor...and he cancelled. Obviously, and for good reason, Tim Tebow doesn't want or need any more publicity surrounding him than he already has. "Gay Rights" had little, if anything, to do with it.


    The article to which you are referring says:

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    The NFL quarterback’s decision to back out of a speaking engagement is a milestone for LGBT equality, argues Right Wing Watch’s Peter Montgomery.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA said
    CuriousJockAZ saidWhat I don't get is WHY does it have to have anything whatsoever to do with GAY anything? His handlers booked him for a speaking engagement....Some liberals got their panties in a wad and a great big brouhaha ensued....Tim Tebow got wind of it and learned more about the church and his pastor...and he cancelled. Obviously, and for good reason, Tim Tebow doesn't want or need any more publicity surrounding him than he already has. "Gay Rights" had little, if anything, to do with it.


    The article to which you are referring says:

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    The NFL quarterback’s decision to back out of a speaking engagement is a milestone for LGBT equality, argues Right Wing Watch’s Peter Montgomery.


    No, I understand what you meant (and the article I linked originally) but I still don't get why the whole thing has all that much to do with gay anything. I took Tim Tebow's withdraw to mean more the overall negativity and extremist views (though, yes, that includes the pastors views on gays) that surrounded this church and pastor, not something that was meant to somehow specifically advance gay rights.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:23 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidNo, I understand what you meant (and the article I linked originally) but I still don't get why the whole thing has all that much to do with gay anything. I took Tim Tebow's withdraw to mean more the overall negativity and extremist views (though, yes, that includes the pastors views on gays) that surrounded this church and pastor, not something that was meant to somehow advance gay rights.

    Tebow never said specifically why he withdrew. The article draws the conclusion that it was because of the pastor's anti-gay stance, but there is no evidence to support that. We don't even have any evidence that Tebow disagrees with those extremist views. He never condemned them. He simply withdrew from a situation that had bad publicity. If he had true character, he'd state openly why he did what he did.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:25 PM GMT
    Tebow was aware of Jeffress' past and gladly accepted a speaking slot.

    It's only after the proverbial s**t hit the fan, when his publicist and manager attempted to save the day, that Tebow backed out.

    It's not difficult to see through the smoke screen.
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    Mar 05, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    DudeInNOVA saidIf he had true character, he'd state openly why he did what he did.


    So because Tim Tebow didn't get up on a soap box and stir up even MORE controversy at a time when he really can't afford it and lambaste this church and this pastor for his views he lacks "true character"? Seriously? Here was his full statement...

    “While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ's unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance. I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!”

    Tim Tebow did the right thing by canceling. Why should he be expected to do more than that? It's not his style to judge anyone (including the pastor or his church), certainly not publicly. I hope he never changes that.
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    DudeInNOVA saidIf he had true character, he'd state openly why he did what he did.


    So because Tim Tebow didn't get up on a soap box and stir up even MORE controversy at a time when he really can't afford it and lambaste this church and this pastor for his views he lacks "true character"? Seriously? Here was his full statement...

    “While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ's unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance. I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!”

    Tim Tebow did the right thing by canceling. Why should he be expected to do more than that? It's not his style to judge anyone (including the pastor or his church), certainly not publicly. I hope he never changes that.

    You should get it by now, Todd. Unless Tebow shouts and uses the vernacular of a gay radical, he lacks "true character."