Gay couple kicked out of Calif. mall for kissing, holding hands in public

  • metta

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    Mar 05, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    Gay couple kicked out of Calif. mall for kissing, holding hands in public

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/03/gay-couple-kicked-out-of-calif-mall-for-kissing-holding-hands-in-public/




    http://www.facebook.com/WestfieldGalleriaatRoseville?ref=ts&fref=ts


    http://www.facebook.com/Westfield?ref=ts&fref=ts
  • metta

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    Mar 05, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
  • ScandalFan

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    Mar 08, 2013 12:58 PM GMT
    Here's a link to the Change.Org petition I started asking the mall apologize to the couple:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/westfield-galleria-in-roseville-california-issue-a-public-apology-to-the-gay-couple
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 1:37 PM GMT
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfield_Group#section_3
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 2:10 PM GMT
    The Security guard is claiming the couple - both teachers - we're engaged in sexually explicit conduct. The teachers deny it. The mall refuses to release video. The security guard report only mentions kissing and even (creepily) refers to the exact number of kisses (25).

    Merchants are suffering from backlash and patrons are taking the FB page by storm.

    The Westfield Property parent company is based in Australia. The company is publicly traded and some protesters are calling for a stock sell-off until the Mall and the the security company and the parent company make public apology.

    A 'kiss in' is planned for this weekend which the mall 'welcomes' and should cause a great deal of disturbance that will further pressure the responsible parties to take action and course correct their poorly strategized approach to this issue.
  • ScandalFan

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    Mar 08, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    Great update. Thanks!
  • Medjai

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    Mar 08, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack saidThe Security guard is claiming the couple - both teachers - we're engaged in sexually explicit conduct. The teachers deny it. The mall refuses to release video. The security guard report only mentions kissing and even (creepily) refers to the exact number of kisses (25).

    Merchants are suffering from backlash and patrons are taking the FB page by storm.

    The Westfield Property parent company is based in Australia. The company is publicly traded and some protesters are calling for a stock sell-off until the Mall and the the security company and the parent company make public apology.

    A 'kiss in' is planned for this weekend which the mall 'welcomes' and should cause a great deal of disturbance that will further pressure the responsible parties to take action and course correct their poorly strategized approach to this issue.


    Who's to say that the couple isn't in the wrong? Gays seem to love pushing the line, then hiding behind sexuality and having the community at large support them. If that's the case, they are the responsible party and need to go public. But they never will, and the mall will suffer for their misrepresentation.
  • metta

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    Mar 08, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    musclelove8 saidHere's a link to the Change.Org petition I started asking the mall apologize to the couple:

    https://www.change.org/petitions/westfield-galleria-in-roseville-california-issue-a-public-apology-to-the-gay-couple


    https://www.change.org/petitions/westfield-galleria-in-roseville-california-issue-a-public-apology-to-the-gay-couple
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Mar 08, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    Medjai saidWho's to say that the couple isn't in the wrong?


    I agree, but the mall isn't helping their case by refusing to provide answers.
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    Mar 08, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    Medjai saidWho's to say that the couple isn't in the wrong?


    I agree, but the mall isn't helping their case by refusing to provide answers.
    I read out the protest kiss-in at the mall that's being planned by LGBT activists. If I lived closer to the Sacramento area I'd love to help out.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    Medjai saidWho's to say that the couple isn't in the wrong?


    I agree, but the mall isn't helping their case by refusing to provide answers.



    ^^^ This ^^^ I think excessive PDAs, regardless of the sexuality aspect, in places like malls are kind of tacky. We have no way of knowing without seeing the tape as to if what this couple was doing would be considered excessive. It was enough to get the warning that if they didn't stop they would be asked to leave. Apparently, they decided to continue after the warning, and hence then asked to leave. Not sure how I feel about this without knowing all the facts. Part of me thinks it was just a lack of discretion on the part of the couple, but on the other hand would a straight couple doing the same thing be ignored? I'm also not sure if things like petitions and all the media coverage of this is actually a positive thing. It could be a negative too. Not sure the "Oh those gays whining because they can't makeout in a shopping mall" aspect to the story is a good thing.
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Mar 08, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    lagwm said
    PolaroidSwinger said
    Medjai saidWho's to say that the couple isn't in the wrong?


    I agree, but the mall isn't helping their case by refusing to provide answers.
    I read out the protest kiss-in at the mall that's being planned by LGBT activists. If I lived closer to the Sacramento area I'd love to help out.


    The protest seems presumptuous; especially considering all the details of the situation are still unknown.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 08, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said^^^ This ^^^ I think excessive PDAs, regardless of the sexuality aspect, in places like malls are kind of tacky. We have no way of knowing without seeing the tape as to if what this couple was doing would be considered excessive. It was enough to get the warning that if they didn't stop they would be asked to leave. Apparently, they decided to continue after the warning, and hence then asked to leave. Not sure how I feel about this without knowing all the facts. Part of me thinks it was just a lack of discretion on the part of the couple, but on the other hand would a straight couple doing the same thing be ignored? I'm also not sure if things like petitions and all the media coverage of this is actually a positive thing. It could be a negative too. Not sure the "Oh those gays whining because they can't makeout in a shopping mall" aspect to the story is a good thing.


    I can't speak for this instance specifically. However, I worked in the food and beverage industry for 10 years. We kicked straight couples out all the time for this exact thing. It never made the news because no one cared. However, for some reason, gay people seem to think that it's always about their sexuality, not their actions, that things happen, and raise a huge issue out of it. It's really tiring, actually.

    Gay people are as bad, if not worse, at perpetrating the "we're different" mentality than straights are. We fight for equality, yet play the gay card any time something happens that we don't like. It's underhanded and highly regressive.
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
    In the fifty plus years I've seen straight identified teens, adults and seniors kiss in public NEVER have I heard of a fucking mall cop COUNTING the number of times they kissed, nor having kicked them out for excessive PDA.

    I am appalled at the antediluvian, puritanical, self-loathing censorship any gay man would hurl back in an attempt to assimilate into the broader cultural spectrum!

    I am fucking sick and tired of gay men who think they are the assimilation police for other gay men who don't tuck it in quite as nicely as their uptight conservative brothers might like so that they can pass and feel more invisible!

    These same wanna'be people-pleasing pricks brown-nosed lazy teachers who used excessive discipline to control their classrooms instead of challenging their students, stood nodding with arms folded behind management that enforced policies that were unfair and imbalanced, and whine endlessly about pride parade contingencies and revelers whose behavior offends the asshole uptight Kate Spade toating cunts who shield their children's eyes while babysitting them with sexist videos and violent games.

    You suspecct every gay man who makes you uncomfortable and you cast doubt on them with the speed of light. You blame them in hope of preventing the established social norms from rejecting you! What fucking proof do you need to see how you don't have one ounce of courage to step out of your Stepford lives and cry foul when injustice is inflicted on gay men?

    You are useless fucking appologist cowards!
  • TroyAthlete

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:04 PM GMT
    "The mall was just exercising its free speech right to hate gays. Calm down guys. All you're going to do by opposing hatred is increase the mall's business. If we have a right to kiss, they have a right to oppose it and kick us out." - House gays
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
    Medjai saidWe fight for equality, yet play the gay card any time something happens that we don't like. It's underhanded and highly regressive.



    SPOT ON!
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    Standard texas.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack saidIn the fifty plus years I've seen straight identified teens, adults and seniors kiss in public NEVER have I heard of a fucking mall cop COUNTING the number of times they kissed, nor having kicked them out for excessive PDA.

    I am appalled at the antediluvian, puritanical, self-loathing censorship any gay man would hurl back in an attempt to assimilate into the broader cultural spectrum!

    I am fucking sick and tired of gay men who think they are the assimilation police for other gay men who don't tuck it in quite as nicely as their uptight conservative brothers might like so that they can pass and feel more invisible!

    These same wanna'be people-pleasing pricks brown-nosed lazy teachers who used excessive discipline to control their classrooms instead of challenging their students, stood nodding with arms folded behind management that enforced policies that were unfair and imbalanced, and whine endlessly about pride parade contingencies and revelers whose behavior offends the asshole uptight Kate Spade toating cunts who shield their children's eyes while babysitting them with sexist videos and violent games.

    You suspecct every gay man who makes you uncomfortable and you cast doubt on them with the speed of light. You blame them in hope of preventing the established social norms from rejecting you! What fucking proof do you need to see how you don't have one ounce of courage to step out of your Stepford lives and cry foul when injustice is inflicted on gay men?

    You are useless fucking appologist cowards!


    The way the article read, it wasn't injustice. It just happened to be gay men. The article should have read 'couple kicked out of mall for excessive kissing' or something, because sexuality was not relevant. It's calling foul for the sake of it. Like mentioning race needlessly.

    You never hear about this happening to straight couples because it is not newsworthy. No one cares. But the same thing happens to a gay couple and its suddenly front page news.
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Medjai saidWe fight for equality, yet play the gay card any time something happens that we don't like. It's underhanded and highly regressive.



    SPOT ON!


    And we pull ^THIS^ card out every damned time the subject makes us uncomfortable and face water-cooler conversation where we might actually have to defend GLBT equality to somebody with the power to fire us, not renew our consulting agreement, approve our loan or otherwise make us feel insulated and carefully clothed in the attire of people we want to like us.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    I think the key here, and the TV news reporter noted this in the first sentence of her report, is that "This is a complicated story". There are two sides of the story, and we d0 not know all the facts.
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    MuscleComeBack saidIn the fifty plus years I've seen straight identified teens, adults and seniors kiss in public NEVER have I heard of a fucking mall cop COUNTING the number of times they kissed, nor having kicked them out for excessive PDA.

    I am appalled at the antediluvian, puritanical, self-loathing censorship any gay man would hurl back in an attempt to assimilate into the broader cultural spectrum!

    I am fucking sick and tired of gay men who think they are the assimilation police for other gay men who don't tuck it in quite as nicely as their uptight conservative brothers might like so that they can pass and feel more invisible!

    These same wanna'be people-pleasing pricks brown-nosed lazy teachers who used excessive discipline to control their classrooms instead of challenging their students, stood nodding with arms folded behind management that enforced policies that were unfair and imbalanced, and whine endlessly about pride parade contingencies and revelers whose behavior offends the asshole uptight Kate Spade toating cunts who shield their children's eyes while babysitting them with sexist videos and violent games.

    You suspecct every gay man who makes you uncomfortable and you cast doubt on them with the speed of light. You blame them in hope of preventing the established social norms from rejecting you! What fucking proof do you need to see how you don't have one ounce of courage to step out of your Stepford lives and cry foul when injustice is inflicted on gay men?

    You are useless fucking appologist cowards!


    The way the article read, it wasn't injustice. It just happened to be gay men. The article should have read 'couple kicked out of mall for excessive kissing' or something, because sexuality was not relevant. It's calling foul for the sake of it. Like mentioning race needlessly.

    You never hear about this happening to straight couples because it is not newsworthy. No one cares. But the same thing happens to a gay couple and its suddenly front page news.


    Did you delve into the responses from the Mall? Did you read beyond the article and read the un-quoted facts of both sides or just the media coverage? Did the hint of injustice make you angry or the possibility of having to be angry with straight people just scare you too much?
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think the key here, and the TV news reporter noted this in the first sentence of her report, is that "This is a complicated story". There are two sides of the story, and we d0 not know all the facts.


    Then how can you say 'spot on'? Why are you so certain these men are in the wrong?
  • Medjai

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack said
    Did you delve into the responses from the Mall? Did you read beyond the article and read the in-quoted facts of both sides or just the media coverage? Did the hint of injustice make you angry or the possibility of having to be angry with straight people just scare you too much?


    No, I haven't delved, but there isn't much delving to do. There is very little being released at the moment, certainly not enough to cast judgement.

    Based on what I've seen thus far, it was a gay couple that crossed the line and cried discrimination when they got called on it. Where you're getting enough to make the accusations you're making, I don't know. You certainly are being excessively aggressive over this though...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack said Did the hint of injustice make you angry or the possibility of having to be angry with straight people just scare you too much?



    The operative word here is "the hint of injustice". Leave it to the gays to make this front page news, run to the local TV station, and start petitions. Is this all a good thing in the effort to create tolerance, educate, and change minds? I'm not so sure it has that kind of positive result in the bigger picture.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    MuscleComeBack said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI think the key here, and the TV news reporter noted this in the first sentence of her report, is that "This is a complicated story". There are two sides of the story, and we d0 not know all the facts.


    Then how can you say 'spot on'? Why are you so certain these men are in the wrong?


    I'm not so sure the men are in the wrong. I don't know all the facts. I'm merely seeing both sides of the story. I see nothing wrong with that until all facts are known.