Hugo Chavez (1954-2013)

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    Mar 05, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    Per the BBC:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21679053

    Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has died, his vice-president has announced.

    Mr Chavez had not appeared in public since he returned to Venezuela last month after cancer treatment in Cuba.

    An emotional Nicolas Maduro made the announcement on Tuesday evening, flanked by leading Venezuelan political and military leaders.

    Earlier, he said the 58-year-old Venezuelan leader had a new, severe respiratory infection and had entered "his most difficult hours".

    One of the most visible, vocal and controversial leaders in Latin America, the former army paratrooper won the presidency in 1998 and had most recently won another six-year presidential term in October 2012.

    Last May, he said he had recovered from an unspecified cancer, after undergoing surgery and chemotherapy in 2011 and a further operation in February 2012.

    However, in December 2012, he announced he needed further cancer surgery in Cuba, and named his Vice-President, Nicolas Maduro, as his preferred successor should the need arise.

    Mr Chavez remained out of public view, finally returning to Venezuela in February.
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    Mar 05, 2013 10:35 PM GMT
    Venezuela's 'Comandante' Hugo Chavez dies

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/05/17135772-venezuelas-comandante-hugo-chavez-dies?lite
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    Mar 05, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
    Congratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
    Good socialist that he was... by the time of his death after 14 years in power he and his family are estimated to have amassed a fortune of $2 billion.

    http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2

    Criminal Justice International Associates (CJIA), a risk assessment and global analysis firm in Miami, estimated in a recent report that the Chávez Frías family in Venezuela has “amassed a fortune” similar to that of the Castro brothers in Cuba.

    According to Jerry Brewer, president of CJIA, “the personal fortune of the Castro brothers has been estimated at a combined value of around $2 billion.”

    “The Chávez Frías family in Venezuela has amassed a fortune of a similar scale since the arrival of Chávez to the presidency in 1999,” said Brewer in an analysis published in their website.

    Brewer said that Cuba is receiving about $5 billion per year from the Venezuelan treasury and in oil shipments and other resources.
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    Mar 06, 2013 3:06 AM GMT
    To change a famous Bette Davis quote:
    You should say only good things about the dead
    Hugo Chavez is dead - good
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    Mar 06, 2013 3:42 AM GMT
    All this talk against Chavez in the media, how come nothing is ever said of Carlos Andres Perez who as President of Venezuela in 1989 sent the national guard to murder up to 3000 protesters who were protesting his economic policy? Maybe it was because he was pro-US.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracazo
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    Mar 06, 2013 12:39 PM GMT
    On the issue of literacy in Venezuela:
    http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/finding-george-orwell-in-venezuela/

    Preliminary results from the 2011 census published by the government’s own National Statistics Institute show that, as of last year, 95.1 percent of Venezuelans can read and write, just 1.5 percentage point higher than a decade earlier. The findings confirm what critics have claimed all along: that the government’s 2005 drive had little effect on the nation’s literacy rate, which has continued to creep up in line with long-term trends, as older people who never had formal education pass away and are replaced by better-schooled generations.


    What is Chavez's legacy? Let's start with getting rid of democracy...

    http://www.hrw.org/news/2004/12/13/venezuela-ch-vez-allies-pack-supreme-court

    The Venezuelan Congress dealt a severe blow to judicial independence by packing the country’s Supreme Court with 12 new justices, Human Rights Watch said today. A majority of the ruling coalition, dominated by President Hugo Chávez’s party, named the justices late yesterday, filling seats created by a law passed in May that expanded the court’s size by more than half.

    “Five years ago, President Chávez’s supporters helped to enshrine the principle of judicial independence in a new democratic constitution,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “Now, by packing the country’s highest court, they are betraying that principle and degrading Venezuelan democracy.”


    Cheating in elections and violating election laws:

    http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/sep/28/in-venezuela-anti-chavez-forces-complain-of/

    Shutting down news organizations that disagreed with him (not to mention seizing banks, oil facilities, cement plants, food factories, sugar plantations):

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/27/us-venezuela-rctv-idUSN2723008820070527

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9931597

    Oh and let's not forget the massive debt, runaway inflation and high homicide rates (73 per 100,000 compared with 4.3 in the US). The economy has been on a consistent downhill slide - making whatever gains amongst the poorest unsustainable. Why is it again you admire the man?
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    Mar 06, 2013 12:39 PM GMT
    Pouncer saidUpdate: The Transatlantic Right will again be in a state of shock once Venezuela's new president is elected. Having lost on virtually every issue that excites them - and nothing excites them more than the idea of socialism for the rich and strict market discipline for the poor - they'll soon be bracing themselves for more bad news from Latin America.


    Yeah it's easy to get elected when you cheat as much as they do.
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    Mar 06, 2013 12:43 PM GMT
    GOOD!

    next:

    Kim Jong Un!
    Amadinijab
    Castro
    Bashar al Assad

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    Mar 06, 2013 12:46 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.


    You mean for the RICH PPL OF VENEZUELA. He did things for the poor that nobody had done before. Simple necessities, like water, electricity, hospitals for the poor and such. He technically took from the rich to give it to the poor. (Now doesn't that sound familiar)
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    Mar 06, 2013 12:47 PM GMT
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    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.


    You mean for the RICH PPL OF VENEZUELA. He did things for the poor that nobody had done before. Simple necessities, like water, electricity, hospitals for the poor and such. He technically took from the rich to give it to the poor. (Now doesn't that sound familiar)


    And how sustainable is that? What's the current state of their economy now?
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    Mar 06, 2013 1:26 PM GMT
    It will be interesting to watch what happens. I'm certainly not sorry to see him "removed from power", unfortunately via death at that age, but hope good things can come from his political departure.
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    Mar 06, 2013 1:34 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt will be interesting to watch what happens. I'm certainly not sorry to see him "removed from power", unfortunately via death at that age, but hope good things can come from his political departure.


    The left-wing fringe is now speculating that this was murder and that the cancer was caused by the CIA:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/03/06/292131/was-hugo-chavez-murdered-by-the-cia/

    I'm not sure why they would bother - Chavez and his minions were killing their country quite well on their own - with any gains they've seen likely to be short lived given the rapid inflation, increase in debt, and increases in crime. He also died just as the economy is falling into a recession.
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    Mar 06, 2013 1:43 PM GMT
    More here on his economic legacy:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/us-venezuela-chavez-fund-idUSBRE88P0N020120926

    More than five years after Chavez first hailed state-owned Pulpa y Papel CA as a vanguard "socialist business," there is little else to show here in rural southeastern Venezuela for the more than half a billion dollars that state investment fund Fonden set aside for the project.

    As with many Fonden investments, tracking the money sent to Pulpaca, as the project is known, is difficult. A Pulpaca annual report for 2011 said the project was stalled for lack of funding. A manager at the dusty gates of the compound declined to comment. So did contractors involved. Requests for interviews with the industry ministry, charged with disbursing Fonden money for such projects, went unanswered.


    This may explain however how his family is now estimated to be worth close to $2 billion:
    http://newsfromvenezuela.tumblr.com/post/867542155/analyst-estimates-chavezs-family-fortune-at-around-2
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    Mar 06, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    He seemed older than his 58 years.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:04 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.



    The people had free and fair election during which they elected him to represent them... not sure where your logic is to be honest!
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:18 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    may11 said
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.


    You mean for the RICH PPL OF VENEZUELA. He did things for the poor that nobody had done before. Simple necessities, like water, electricity, hospitals for the poor and such. He technically took from the rich to give it to the poor. (Now doesn't that sound familiar)


    And how sustainable is that? What's the current state of their economy now?


    So you are saying, it's wrong what he did by providing the poorest of the poor with basic needs? By taking from the rich? So you would also disagree with Obama.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:20 PM GMT
    The only Vezolan president that ever gave a shit about the people of Vezuela. South America is the most corrupt place on earth.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
    Aerach8193 said
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.



    The people had free and fair election during which they elected him to represent them... not sure where your logic is to be honest!


    Free and fair? By who's definition?

    http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/sep/28/in-venezuela-anti-chavez-forces-complain-of/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/27/us-venezuela-rctv-idUSN2723008820070527

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9931597
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    may11 said[quote][cite]may11 said[/cite]
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    may11 said
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.


    You mean for the RICH PPL OF VENEZUELA. He did things for the poor that nobody had done before. Simple necessities, like water, electricity, hospitals for the poor and such. He technically took from the rich to give it to the poor. (Now doesn't that sound familiar)


    And how sustainable is that? What's the current state of their economy now?


    So you are saying, it's wrong what he did by providing the poorest of the poor with basic needs? By taking from the rich? So you would also disagree with Obama.


    I don't have any objections as to how he used profits from energy to provide to the poorest of the poor. The problem is that in doing so he also forwent investments in infrastructure which makes ongoing profits even more difficult. As to taking from the rich? I guess you are one of those who think that the resources in an economy is fixed. That you can build an economy by taking from the rich to give to the poor.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
    Moonbats mourn another Red thug

    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2013/03/moonbats_mourn_another_red_thug

    It was a sad day for the moonbat community.
The People’s Republics of Cambridge and Amherst rushed to lower their flags to half staff first. A spontaneous candlelight vigil erupted in Muddy River. Funeral dirges played endlessly on the NPR stations, like Radio Moscow when Uncle Joe passed. Someone dimmed the lights at the Globe, causing an immediate panic in the newsroom, where the fops 
assumed the newspaper was finally being shut down.

    Yes, the media fell all over itself 
lionizing the Mussolini 

of South America. The AP hagiography was slightly longer than “War and Peace.” Talk about gushing:

    “Fiery populist ... 
socialist ideals … outsmarted his rivals … electrified … folksy … larger-than-life … master communicator and savvy political strategist … championing his country’s poor.”

    The only thing the AP forgot to say about El Comandante was that he kept the drugs out of Southie.

    Hey Joe Kennedy, when’s the next plane out to Tehran? I hear the mullahs are looking for a new shill.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    I think many of you need to research Venezuela more in-depth. He was not the first Venezuelan President to care about the poor or redistribute oil money. He provided fair and free elections but his citizens were brainwashed and he used his powers to alter the rules in his favor.

    Americans are celebrating but I am terribly afraid of what will happen to Venezuela. You have half the citizens who bought into his propaganda about countries like the US and you have half that are anti-Castro and his policies. An already terrible crime rate is about to shoot through the roof in the coming months.
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:45 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Aerach8193 said
    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.



    The people had free and fair election during which they elected him to represent them... not sure where your logic is to be honest!


    Free and fair? By who's definition?

    http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/sep/28/in-venezuela-anti-chavez-forces-complain-of/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/27/us-venezuela-rctv-idUSN2723008820070527

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9931597


    Democracy in action.... but only if America agrees with who you select!
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    Mar 06, 2013 2:45 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidI think many of you need to research Venezuela more in-depth. He was not the first Venezuelan President to care about the poor or redistribute oil money. He provided fair and free elections but his citizens were brainwashed and he used his powers to alter the rules in his favor.

    Americans are celebrating but I am terribly afraid of what will happen to Venezuela. You have half the citizens who bought into his propaganda about countries like the US and you have half that are anti-Castro and his policies. An already terrible crime rate is about to shoot through the roof in the coming months.


    Again, free and fair elections?

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/south-america/item/13138-amid-accusations-of-fraud-socialist-chavez-wins-election

    The man was a populist who stayed in power by appealing to envy and greed of others - all while enriching himself in corrupt state entreprises. Yes, he's poured billions into state entreprises - at a time when oil prices went from $9 to $100 - but that's more like winning the lottery and using the funds to stay in power than any noble attempt.

    Americans should celebrate that a thug is dead (though that doesn't seem to be the response of many lefties above - some of whom undoubtedly also think the CIA gave him cancer). This doesn't mean that there won't be tougher times ahead - given the short term fixes he put in.

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    Mar 06, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
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    libertpaulian saidCongratulations to the People of Venezuela...may you take your country, freedom, and culture back.



    The people had free and fair election during which they elected him to represent them... not sure where your logic is to be honest!


    Free and fair? By who's definition?

    http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/sep/28/in-venezuela-anti-chavez-forces-complain-of/

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/27/us-venezuela-rctv-idUSN2723008820070527

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9931597


    Democracy in action.... but only if America agrees with who you select!


    Ah ok so let's ignore the rampant election fraud and the fact he would shut down those in the media who disagreed with him. So basically you're saying that if you're a tyrant who disagrees with Americans they must have been elected free and fair. How sad you must be that those like Stalin and Hitler died as well. In your mind they must have also been misunderstood tyrants.