Barronelle Stuzman, the owner of Arlene's Flower Shop in Richland, Washington refuses flowers sales to gay couple wedding

  • metta

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    Mar 06, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    Washington state florist refuses flowers sales to gay couple wedding

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/washington-state-florist-refuses-flowers-sales-gay-couple-wedding060313

    http://www.arlenesflowers.net/


    http://www.yelp.com/biz/arlenes-flowers-richland

    Florist Tells Longtime Gay Customer That Jesus Won't Let Her Do His Wedding
    http://www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/03/06/florist-tells-her-longtime-gay-customer-jesus-wont-let-her-do


    http://www.flowershopnetwork.com/floristProfile/155748



    http://www.yellowpages.com/richland-wa/mip/arlenes-flowers-11062623
  • Doodles

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    Mar 07, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    Man... what kind of business owner is this. Refusing other people's money because of their sexuality. Psh, if i were this owner, I would try to sell as many darn flowers as possible lol. Heck if you dont like them because they are gay, at the very least you can at least take their money away from them by selling to them.

    Such a bad business model.. and a pretty rude person to boot.
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    Mar 07, 2013 7:14 AM GMT
    Are you kidding? A gay couple getting refused any service for their wedding is the best thing that could happen to them. The story goes viral and they end up getting 10x as much for absolutely free from company's who send them to stuff .
  • hebrewman

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    Mar 07, 2013 7:32 AM GMT
    this kind of shit really uncorks my bottle!! i get so very tired of people hiding behind the bible to mask their bigotry. while i understand she has a right to do business with whomever, the bottom line is she took their money for years and now she refuses to do their wedding. what a pity. i wonder how much business she will loose or gain because of this?
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    Mar 07, 2013 9:50 AM GMT
    It's unconscionable that someone who is so against gay marriage would work in the number three most stereotypical gay business (one and two being hair stylist and antiques).
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    Mar 07, 2013 10:31 AM GMT
    The business is state licensed, and Washington State has laws against sexual orientation discrimination by businesses. The owner of a place of public accommodation cannot claim her personal beliefs trump State law. She is in effect imposing her own religious beliefs on others.

    She would likely lose in court. The question is whether the gay couple or the State will take any action against her. It sounds like the couple is afraid of a negative community reaction in the conservative county where they live, so perhaps the florist will not suffer any legal consequences from this. Nor likely any harm to her business in an area that voted heavily against gay marriage, despite passing in Washington statewide.
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    Mar 07, 2013 3:21 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidThe business is state licensed, and Washington State has laws against sexual orientation discrimination by businesses. The owner of a place of public accommodation cannot claim her personal beliefs trump State law. She is in effect imposing her own religious beliefs on others.
    I don't believe a floral shop falls under "public accommodation" under any legal statutes. Food establishments, hotels, lodging, etc. do.

  • Hothouse

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    Mar 07, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
    She had no problem taking their money prior to this, now all of a sudden "jesus won't let her."
    Just wondering if jesus would let her do the flowers for a couple who has had sex before they get married - that's wrong too, isn't it.
    Seems to me that Jesus talked about love and doing unto others as you would have done to you - she really needs to improve her communication with her boss.
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    Mar 07, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
    Ariodante saidAre you kidding? A gay couple getting refused any service for their wedding is the best thing that could happen to them. The story goes viral and they end up getting 10x as much for absolutely free from company's who send them to stuff .

    Would be interesting to hear what offers they received from other florist and wedding associated businesses in comparison to what threats and loss of revenue the floral shop endured.
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    Mar 07, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    Hothouse saidShe had no problem taking their money prior to this, now all of a sudden "jesus won't let her."
    Just wondering if jesus would let her do the flowers for a couple who has had sex before they get married - that's wrong too, isn't it.
    Seems to me that Jesus talked about love and doing unto others as you would have done to you - she really needs to improve her communication with her boss.

    There you go again, mixing facts into an otherwise great story about someone who's ignorant in their faith! icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 07, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    Hothouse said, "Just wondering if jesus would let her do the flowers for a couple who has had sex before they get married - that's wrong too, isn't it."

    Bingo, and touche and tra-la-la-la. icon_wink.gif

    I guess as long as there's a peen and a vajay it's all good. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 07, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    As someone who lived down the street from that shop for twelve looooong years, let me tell you that the remarkable aspect of this story is that two people can now admit to being a gay couple in Richland, Washington. Also the publicity will undoubtedly help out her business. (She also sells home-brewing supplies. I used to buy stuff there.) Rednecks will drive in for miles around. And there are plenty of them out there. In fact, since the "victim" is a "friend" of hers, it's not too much of a reach to think they may have cooked this up for the publicity.

    It's a very strange, remote, little reactionary town. Until recently, the sole industry was the production of plutonium for nuclear weapons. When I first moved there, preachers at the local churches were giving pro-nuclear war sermons. i.e. "nuke the gay baby whales for jesus" was not considered an ironic message. icon_eek.gif Culturally, it has always been about thirty years behind the rest of the country. For example, "The Simpsons" was banned for years - you had to go watch commie stuff like that in another town if you were interested. Since almost everyone needed some sort of security clearance to live and work there, being gay could get you fired from any good job. It was considered "potential blackmail" material, and hence, you could not get a clearance.

    In a weird way, this story shows good progress.
  • metta

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    Jul 19, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    US: Judge strikes down pretrial motions in case of florist which refused service to same-sex wedding


    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/18/us-judge-strikes-down-pretrial-motions-in-case-of-florist-which-refused-service-to-same-sex-wedding/
  • metta

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    Feb 19, 2015 5:14 PM GMT
    Judge To Anti-Gay Florist: Religion Is Not An Excuse To Defy Anti-Discrimination Laws


    “Stutzman refused to provide to Ingersoll a service she provided to others,” Ekstrom wrote. What she believes about same-sex marriage is immaterial, because the law’s protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation “address conduct, not beliefs.” Agreeing with the plaintiffs and the attorney general, Ekstrom asserted that “no Court has ever held that religiously motivated conduct, expressive or otherwise, trumps state discrimination law in public accommodations.” He also pointed out that Stutzman is not a minister nor is Arlene’s Flowers a religious organization. Likewise, the law does not specifically target her because of her beliefs, but is “neutral and generally applicable” to all people of all beliefs.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/02/19/3624626/washington-florist-loses-religious-freedom-anti-gay-discrimination/
  • tazzari

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    Feb 19, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
    Join the fun at http://discussions.seattletimes.com/comments/2025728983

  • metta

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    Feb 20, 2015 4:24 PM GMT
    Florist who refused flowers for same-sex wedding to appeal discrimination ruling


    "Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said late Thursday his goal isn’t Stutzman’s financial ruin. He offered to settle the case for $2,000 – the fine for violations of the law – and a $1 payment for legal fees if she would agree not to discriminate in the future.
    “My primary goal has always been to bring about an end to the defendants’ unlawful conduct and to make clear that I will not tolerate discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation,”

    Ferguson said in a news release. “Before this case began, my office wrote to Ms. Stutzman, asking her to comply with state law. Had she agreed to no longer discriminate, my office would not have filed suit, and Ms. Stutzman would not have paid any costs, fees or penalties.”

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/02/florist-who-refused-flowers-for-same-sex-wedding-to-appeal-discrimination-ruling/
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    Feb 20, 2015 4:32 PM GMT
    metta8 saidJudge To Anti-Gay Florist: Religion Is Not An Excuse To Defy Anti-Discrimination Laws

    “Stutzman refused to provide to Ingersoll a service she provided to others,” Ekstrom wrote. What she believes about same-sex marriage is immaterial, because the law’s protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation “address conduct, not beliefs.” Agreeing with the plaintiffs and the attorney general, Ekstrom asserted that “no Court has ever held that religiously motivated conduct, expressive or otherwise, trumps state discrimination law in public accommodations.” He also pointed out that Stutzman is not a minister nor is Arlene’s Flowers a religious organization. Likewise, the law does not specifically target her because of her beliefs, but is “neutral and generally applicable” to all people of all beliefs.

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/02/19/3624626/washington-florist-loses-religious-freedom-anti-gay-discrimination/

    Back in 2013 I wrote this, and southbeach1500 mocked me, in a lengthy & personally insulting reply in this thread I won't quote in its entirety:

    southbeach1500 said
    Fiyero27 said
    ART_DECO saidThe business is state licensed, and Washington State has laws against sexual orientation discrimination by businesses. The owner of a place of public accommodation cannot claim her personal beliefs trump State law. She is in effect imposing her own religious beliefs on others.

    I don't believe a floral shop falls under "public accommodation" under any legal statutes. Food establishments, hotels, lodging, etc. do.

    Do NOT question Mr. Deco on anything.

    I guess I was correct after all. icon_wink.gif
  • metta

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    Mar 28, 2015 5:40 AM GMT
    Judge fines Washington florist who refused services for same-sex couple’s wedding

    "fined $1,000 Friday, plus $1 for court costs and fees."


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/03/judge-fines-washington-florist-who-refused-services-for-same-sex-couples-wedding/
  • venue35

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    Mar 28, 2015 11:58 AM GMT
    What's a gay "mover and shaker"??
    Sounds groovy
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    Mar 28, 2015 2:58 PM GMT
    venue35 saidWhat's a gay "mover and shaker"??
    Sounds groovy

    When you move everything shakes.
  • metta

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    Apr 06, 2015 6:42 AM GMT
    Fundraiser for Washington florist who rejects gay marriage raises $90,000


    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-florist-go-fund-20150405-story.html
  • metta

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    Apr 08, 2015 5:11 PM GMT
    Christian florist who refused gay wedding receives $150,000 in donations

    Washington woman says $1,001 fine could cost her her home and business

    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/christian-florist-who-refused-gay-wedding-receives-150000-donations080415