New Jersey Cop Appears To Punch Woman In The Face Outside Club

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    Mar 07, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    Well there's your equality bitches!!!

    I'm sorry but I think she asked for that.....

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/nj-cop-punches-woman_n_2818914.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

    Here's the actual cell phone footage.

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    Mar 07, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    Tsk tsk tsk....she wanted to get gully with him, he got gully right back with her *smh*
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    Mar 07, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    I have to agree. What the fuck was she thinking? Her man is getting arrested and she's gonna try to step up to the cop? icon_lol.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 07, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    The cop is probably gay.

    Not many straight guys would hit a woman, but gay guys know what equality is all about...and use it properly when some cray cray cunt tries to play the female card as an excuse to go bananas.
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    Mar 07, 2013 3:22 AM GMT
    He probably thought she was a bad drag queen
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Love how everyone has to qualify that the cop was from New Jersey, as if that doesn't happen elsewhere - here, even in chill Seattle a cop punches a woman with a closed fist: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/992845

    Before this turns into a raging debate about how one should never hit a woman, it's been discussed before on other threads as well:

    Is it ok for a gay guy to hit a girl?:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1444372

    Attacked by a girl...would you hit back?
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/833904

    would you hit a woman:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2767598
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:07 AM GMT
    I'm sorry that was beyond excessive. It was hard to make out exactly what she was doing, but it wasn't much more than swiping at him or shoving, neither of which justified a blow to the face.

    She should have stayed out of it and she definitely deserved to be arrested; but it would have been just as easy to restrain her with handcuffs or even pepper spray.

    The fact that she's a woman is irrelevant, it was brutality.
  • Eeeev

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    Mar 07, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    yeah its difficult to see exactly whats going on in that video but if a girl is going to start something then she better not act like she cant get hit
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    Eeeev saidyeah its difficult to see exactly whats going on in that video but if a girl is going to start something then she better not act like she cant get hit


    If she came swinging at him with closed fists I would agree with you, but she didn't. Law enforcement officials certainly have an obligation to use only the minimum amount of force necessary to restrain suspects. It's his job to protect all members of the community, including her.

    Just because someone has a badge doesn't give them the right to act however they want, there needs to be some level of accountability.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 07, 2013 4:50 AM GMT
    This is the world we live in .. the world women asked for .. they wanted equality ... they want to go to war and fight on the front lines like men ... they want to play mens football ... well if you want to be men, you've got to learn to roll with the punches ... only society teaches you that women should be treated differently ... do you think that a man feels less pain from the punch of another man less then a woman .... maybe it is our society that is just violent and sick

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    Mar 07, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
    There sure are some cunty bitches I'd love to punch in the face and rip out their Walmart weave.
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    Mar 07, 2013 5:22 AM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    Eeeev saidyeah its difficult to see exactly whats going on in that video but if a girl is going to start something then she better not act like she cant get hit


    If she came swinging at him with closed fists I would agree with you, but she didn't. Law enforcement officials certainly have an obligation to use only the minimum amount of force necessary to restrain suspects. It's his job to protect all members of the community, including her.

    Just because someone has a badge doesn't give them the right to act however they want, there needs to be some level of accountability.
    the police brutalize people every day thats a larger problem, but i think what people are mostly talking about on this is the male vs female thing. like i said i cant really see what was happening here but i dont see a problem hitting a woman if shes instigating a fight but obviously no one deserves to be brutalized.
  • blueandgold

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    Mar 07, 2013 6:16 AM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger saidI'm sorry that was beyond excessive. It was hard to make out exactly what she was doing, but it wasn't much more than swiping at him or shoving, neither of which justified a blow to the face.

    She should have stayed out of it and she definitely deserved to be arrested; but it would have been just as easy to restrain her with handcuffs or even pepper spray.

    The fact that she's a woman is irrelevant, it was brutality.


    I couldn't disagree with you more - and moreso, most legal jursiditions do as well.

    A police officer is not held to a "schoolyard standard" in regard to the use of physical force. He doesn't have an obligation to treat a male or female attacker differently merely because of their gender. His/her job is to protect the public. To this end, every police officer studies a use of force spectrum in which a level of level of offensive force is met with a prescribed level of return force. This woman grabbed a police officer with her hands- this is called assault and battery on a police officer, a felony in many jurisdictions. Her level of force would be categorized as assaultive. Any less lethal means to subdue her are appropriate.

    A police officer is not some person on the street. They have a firearm, mace, taser, etc. I can't tell you how many times I, as a police officer, have been grabbed by someone - male or female - and while grappling, that person has attempted to grab my firearm. If I let them do that, they immediately become a danger to everyone around them. When someone attempts to grapple with you, you don't have the time to grapple around with them while a number of other potential threats exist all around you. In addition, this woman could have a knife or other weapon herself and letting her get that close to you while grappling is just not permitted. Your job is disengage them and subdue the target as quickly and safely as possible. I think this officer did his job as efficiently as he could.

    A police officer is in a position of authority. If you act the fool with an authority figure, you deserve what you get.
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    Mar 07, 2013 6:22 AM GMT
    Here's a simple test:
    Try to restrain someone that doesn't want to be restrained.

    Add alcohol and stupidity into the mix, and you'll quickly find that it's not just a matter of cuffing them or pulling out the pepper spray.

    Watch the video again. The chick was grabbing at the cop's face/neck while trying to control the guy. He had to react quickly. No time to unholster the pepper spray. I think he was totally justified in clocking her in the face.
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    Mar 07, 2013 7:27 AM GMT
    blueandgold said

    I couldn't disagree with you more - and moreso, most legal jursiditions do as well.

    A police officer is not held to a "schoolyard standard" in regard to the use of physical force. He doesn't have an obligation to treat a male or female attacker differently merely because of their gender. His/her job is to protect the public. To this end, every police officer studies a use of force spectrum in which a level of level of offensive force is met with a prescribed level of return force. This woman grabbed a police officer with her hands- this is called assault and battery on a police officer, a felony in many jurisdictions. Her level of force would be categorized as combative: less lethal. Any less lethal means to subdue her are appropriate.

    A police officer is not some person on the street. They have a firearm, mace, taser, etc. I can't tell you how many times I, as a police officer, have been grabbed by someone - male or female - and while grappling, that person has attempted to grab my firearm. If I let them do that, they immediately become a danger to everyone around them. When someone attempts to grapple with you, you don't have the time to grapple around with them while a number of other potential threats exist all around you. Your job is disengage them and subdue the target as quickly and safely as possible. I think this officer did his job as efficiently as he could.

    A police officer is in a position of authority. If you act the fool with an authority figure, you deserve what you get.


    Nope. Doesn't give him the right to victimize people.

    I didn't say she should be treated differently because she was a women, in fact I've commented to the opposite of that. What I said was that the force was brutal and excessive; I would have said the same thing if it had been a man.

    The notion that just because she grabs his arm, a haymaker is an appropriate course of action is complete and utter bullshit. There were a million other ways he could have restrained her, you just mentioned a few yourself; that's why officers are given those tools. Decking her was not efficient, it was barbaric and unwarranted by the situation. She was belligerent but unarmed and hardly posed a serious physical threat.
    If what she did was a felony then she can and should pay for it in court, not on the sidewalk with a cracked jaw.

    Has he been placed in a position of authority?
    Yes, he has, but let's not forget that the police are civil servants, not gods. The rules apply to them too, they can't act however they want, and it's "okay."
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    Mar 07, 2013 7:34 AM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    blueandgold said

    I couldn't disagree with you more - and moreso, most legal jursiditions do as well.

    A police officer is not held to a "schoolyard standard" in regard to the use of physical force. He doesn't have an obligation to treat a male or female attacker differently merely because of their gender. His/her job is to protect the public. To this end, every police officer studies a use of force spectrum in which a level of level of offensive force is met with a prescribed level of return force. This woman grabbed a police officer with her hands- this is called assault and battery on a police officer, a felony in many jurisdictions. Her level of force would be categorized as combative: less lethal. Any less lethal means to subdue her are appropriate.

    A police officer is not some person on the street. They have a firearm, mace, taser, etc. I can't tell you how many times I, as a police officer, have been grabbed by someone - male or female - and while grappling, that person has attempted to grab my firearm. If I let them do that, they immediately become a danger to everyone around them. When someone attempts to grapple with you, you don't have the time to grapple around with them while a number of other potential threats exist all around you. Your job is disengage them and subdue the target as quickly and safely as possible. I think this officer did his job as efficiently as he could.

    A police officer is in a position of authority. If you act the fool with an authority figure, you deserve what you get.


    Nope. Doesn't give him the right to victimize people.

    I didn't say she should be treated differently because she was a women, in fact I've commented to the opposite of that. What I said was that the force was brutal and excessive; I would have said the same thing if it had been a man.

    The notion that just because she grabs his arm, a haymaker is an appropriate course of action is complete and utter bullshit. There were a million other ways he could have restrained her, you just mentioned a few yourself; that's why officers are given those tools. Decking her was not efficient, it was barbaric and unwarranted by the situation. She was belligerent but unarmed and hardly posed a serious physical threat.
    If what she did was a felony then she can and should pay for it in court, not on the sidewalk with a cracked jaw.

    Has he been placed in a position of authority?
    Yes, he has, but let's not forget that the police are civil servants, not gods. The rules apply to them too, they can't act however they want, and it's "okay."


    She did pose a serious potential physical threat. ANY attacker does. Anyone familiar with combat will explain this to you. She could have weapons anywhere on her person.

    Luckily, countless legal jurisdictions agree with me.
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    Mar 07, 2013 8:07 AM GMT
    blueandgold said

    She did pose a serious potential physical threat. ANY attacker does. Anyone familiar with combat will explain this to you. She could have weapons anywhere on her person.

    Luckily, countless legal jurisdictions agree with me.


    Where? Up her skirt?
    Cut me a break. She was just a dumpy little kid on her way home from the bar, who was upset because her boy friend was getting arrested. Her "attack" was pitiful, he easily possessed the means to overpower her. If he honestly felt that the situation was that desperate than he was a bigger moron than her for intervening to begin with. She had to be apprehended, but there was no need to punch her, much less in the face.

    I'm just going to agree to disagree though; because honestly I don't think it would make much difference to you if he had shot her in the leg. He was just a fellow cop, doin' what he had to do.
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    xrichx saidHere's a simple test:
    Try to restrain someone that doesn't want to be restrained.

    Add alcohol and stupidity into the mix, and you'll quickly find that it's not just a matter of cuffing them or pulling out the pepper spray.

    Watch the video again. The chick was grabbing at the cop's face/neck while trying to control the guy. He had to react quickly. No time to unholster the pepper spray. I think he was totally justified in clocking her in the face.

    Agree. (I was US Army Military Police for over 20 years) A responding law enforcement officer is typically heavily armed, and assailants may attempt to seize those weapons and use them against the officer and others. In can happen in an instant and you don't need to be very strong to snatch a weapon from its holster, just quick.

    The police officer is a "no touch zone" and if you lay threatening hands on him or her, and especially as accompanied here by angry words and actions, you can expect to get a quick knock down without hesitation and regardless of gender. A woman can pull the trigger on a cop's service revolver or use his taser just as well as a man. Note also that the cop appears outnumbered. That's not police brutality, it's protecting the public, and himself.
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    Mar 07, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
    What I saw:

    1. A lot of commotion, yelling and shoving
    2. The fight ends and the officer starts to walk away.
    3. A big dude who was involved in the scuffle appears to mouth off at the officer and flicks him off.
    4. The big dude's girlfriend and the cop walk both walk up to the big dude trying to get him to shut up.
    5. The girl puts her hands on the big dude trying to calm him down. At the same time, the officer arrives and pushes the big dude down by the face.
    6. The girl screams, "no don't hit him" to the officer and clearly grabs the officer
    7. The officer grabs the woman by the upper chest area, squares her up, winds up and hits her in the face.
    8. The officer hit the woman 3x as hard as he hit the guy.

    My thoughts:
    1. The woman should not have touched to officer at all.
    2. I would rather have the "cray cray cunt"/"cunty bitch" by my side who was willing to fight a police officer to protect me than any of the lame mysogynists on here who would let you get hit and then just type about it furiously behind the safety of their keyboards.
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    Mar 07, 2013 2:34 PM GMT
    WORLD STAR!

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    Mar 07, 2013 4:09 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger saidI'm sorry that was beyond excessive. It was hard to make out exactly what she was doing, but it wasn't much more than swiping at him or shoving, neither of which justified a blow to the face.

    She should have stayed out of it and she definitely deserved to be arrested; but it would have been just as easy to restrain her with handcuffs or even pepper spray.

    The fact that she's a woman is irrelevant, it was brutality.

    It appears to be a fight and she put herself in the middle of it. He's a law enforcement officer who's responsible for handling disruptions. She contributed to the disruption, interfered with him doing his job and, as a result, suffered the consequences. I think he was justified in protecting himself from her 'attack'. She should have also been arrested.

    I'm tired of people claiming brutality every time a police officer gets involved in a disruption. If had done nothing, the same people would be bitching about that. He was dealing with an altercation and she interfered, seems pretty cut and dry.
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
    I don't know why the cop went to throw the big guy down. He did not seem to be a threat at that moment. That looked a little like a grudge move but the previous scene of them all in the street is so tangled from this view that I don't know what the cop observed that guy doing. He might have had a reason to get that guy onto the ground.

    It might look like the guy was mouthing off at the cop right before the cop goes after him but I can't see his face so i don't know.

    Whether or not the cop was justified in wanting to bring the big guy to the ground, he did not attempt at all to hurt the guy but just to subdue him. That's pretty clear. Looks like he's just trying to get him off balance to get him to the ground. He's not swinging, he's not hitting, he's not using weapons.

    The woman in the red dress doesn't quite swing at the cop first when the cop was not coming after her but she is using her arms pretty aggressively in trying to subue the cop. I agree with blueandgold that the cop at that point--even if he himself had instigated that situation which might be a mitigating factor in the woman's defense--was duty bound to protect himself and his weaponry.

    Also, and this might have just been slow physical reactions or the slow reaction of an substance-abused brain or just stupid, but the woman pretty much goes after the cop after her guy is already on the ground. And that makes it look like a bit of a grudge match on her part. Either way she's definitely the aggressor which probably justifies his actions.
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
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    It appears to be a fight and she put herself in the middle of it. He's a law enforcement officer who's responsible for handling disruptions. She contributed to the disruption, interfered with him doing his job and, as a result, suffered the consequences. I think he was justified in protecting himself from her 'attack'. She should have also been arrested.

    I'm tired of people claiming brutality every time a police officer gets involved in a disruption. If had done nothing, the same people would be bitching about that. He was dealing with an altercation and she interfered, seems pretty cut and dry.


    No one is saying that he shouldn't have defended himself from her or that she shouldn't be arrested. What I said what that there was no need to use the force that he did, that there was no need to hit her in the face. That's why it was brutality.


    And I have to agree with Myol; the misogyny I'm hearing is turning my stomach. It's almost like some people are delighted that she got hit.
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
    I just looked again for the 10th time. That force at that point is justified. She's coming at him unrelentingly.

    And even then notice the guy getting up trying to grab the cop right before the vid ends. At this point that cop is fearful for his own life.
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    Mar 07, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger saidNo one is saying that he shouldn't have defended himself from her or that she shouldn't be arrested. What I said what that there was no need to use the force that he did, that there was no need to hit her in the face. That's why it was brutality.

    And I have to agree with Myol; the misogyny I'm hearing is turning my stomach. It's almost like some people are delighted that she got hit.

    I think that people forget that when you're in the heat of the moment such as this and your adrenaline is pumping and there are people all around that pose a risk, you're going to react to protect yourself and get the situation under control. Regardless of the sex, someone grabbing a police officer while he's trying to control an outbreak is going to suffer consequences. I don't think his actions were inappropriate. Could there be other ways of handling it, sure. Would they be preferred reflecting back (hindsight), probably so. My guess is that this guy didn't intentionally slug her because she was a woman or was about to physically harm him, but it's easy to say that now, looking at the video but when he did it, I'm guessing that it was NOT going through his mind.

    As for the misogyny, I think you're always going to see this when there's a level of ambiguity with the way a person wishes to be treated. Treat me equally but then treat me differently. Respect is due to all but it is earned, not given.